Unpopular opinions

[Warfish]

Never liked the Lawson signing, but when healthy he's still valuable in Saleh's rotational D-line system.  People getting excited about preseason need to remember, it was preseason, against backups.  Not cutting a guy till I'm sure, in real games, that the kids ahead of him are really up to it, especially in a hopeful playoff run year.

I don't prefer to keep Carter or Knight.  They're both as JAG-y as JAG's get.  Cook/Hall/Izzy + the Fullback is more than enough RB talent and more than enough hungry hands that want/warrant carries. IF all three were healthy.  Since literally none of them are 100%, Carter likely stays on the active.  At least for a little while.

Oh, and I see just a few minutes ago twitter says we're releasing Knight, so there you go.

[DoubleDown]

1 hour ago, Guilhermezmc said:

Carl Lawson should be behind JJ and Huff in the depth chart

It's going to be a heavy rotation between a number of players at DE.  So the "depth chart" is not really all that important.  I can see Lawson and JFM getting the "starts" at DE, but it's a superficial status.  Both JJ and Huff will be heavily involved.

In terms of roles, Huff is strictly a pass rushing specialist.  JJ and Lawson are the more complete players who can play on early downs.

[Dunnie]

In some ways, Carter reminds me of Blair Thomas. His side to side 1 yrd loss/pickups. I was high on him, but am quickly rethinking it.

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[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

To be the unpopular like the OP says

Hardman - plays scared and if he does not have 30 yards of daylight he plays slow . Waste of Speed IMO

Jermaine Johnson -- has no bend at all as a pass rusher and I'm still waiting for him to cleanly beat anyone. If you have the one play he did in preseason to prove me wrong vs a third stringer or street player Im really not interested.

Michael Carter-- can't run the football period .... Cant block period ... Is just not going to make anyone pay for tackling him.

Becton -- I think he's insane vs the run hence his RT designation .... but he can not pass block and that seemed evident yet again vs the Giants. Hope he pans out due to his run blocking but he needs to start dictating to speed rushers and stop waiting for them to come to him and maybe he does better.

 

Hardman had 6 TDs in 8 games last year before getting hurt.  I’ll never defend a player for not catching the ball, but to suggest he doesn’t use his speed effectively is not necessarily supported.  His hands might be something he doesn’t use effectively.

There are many ways you can skin a cat.  There are many ways you can rush a passer.  You don’t need great bend to be able to do so.  JJ has dramatically improved his get off, reshaped his body and has been playing more standing up.  This has jumped off the screen to me.

True Michael Carter cannot block well.  But he had an excellent second preseason game that flashed us back to year 1.  He’s also dangerous catching the ball out of the backfield.

350 pound Becton’s floor as a pass rusher is ‘decent’.  His upside is tantalizing.  Gave up 7 sacks as a rookie on one of the worst offenses in NFL history.  He’s been near flawless outside a missed assignment sack this preseason.  Yes, the 400 pound Becton seemed to be having some issues in practice.  That’s a different guy.

[Hex]

42 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Carl Lawson is irrelevant until he contributes something on the field. 

most players tend to be

[BigRy56]

JJ will take the starting spot before the year is through but Lawson will be a great rotational piece. I’m sure next March we will shed his contract and keep the pass rushing farm system moving at a low cost

[#27TheDominator]

1 minute ago, BigRy56 said:

JJ will take the starting spot before the year is through but Lawson will be a great rotational piece. I’m sure next March we will shed his contract and keep the pass rushing farm system moving at a low cost

Which starting spot?  Who are your 4 to start?  Lawson- Q- Woods-JFM?   I think most expect JJ to start with JFM and Clemons spending more time inside.

[Lupz27]

When healthy Izzy will be RB 3 by seasons end.  Maybe RB 2.

[JohnnyLV]

Huff is by far our best pass rusher but seemingly disliked by his own staff and totally undervalued here likely because he was an UDFA

Cobb should be cut and put on the PS

Mecole Harman is not a very good player

Uzomah should be cut

Yeboah as ST specialist is more valuable than Hardee who should be cut

 

[slats]

8 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Hardman had 6 TDs in 8 games last year before getting hurt.  I’ll never defend a player for not catching the ball, but to suggest he doesn’t use his speed effectively is not necessarily supported.  His hands might be something he doesn’t use effectively.

On the play where Rodgers took the snap from center and threw it to him all in one continuous motion, Hardman did that little dancing thing on the sideline that almost cost the first down (it would’ve only been 2nd down, but still… ). That’s probably the play in @Smashmouth’s memory. I didn’t like that, and JT O’Sullivan called it out, too, in his video on Rodgers. I can accept that in the preseason, but not when the games start counting. 

[Guilhermezmc]

1 hour ago, slats said:

Lawson might get Wally Pipped by JJ, but Huff is not an every down player. I like Knight, but -in this particular RB room- it’s Carter who brings something extra in the form of receiving ability. So yeah, they’re unpopular with me. 

I would argue that Huff showed enough to be called a every down player but even if he's not the jets starting DL should be JJ - QW - QJ - JFM.

I wouldn't give him Huffs pass rush snaps on the rotation... Even Will Mcdonald...

I guess we're just too deep

[slats]

2 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said:

I would argue that Huff showed enough to be called a every down player but even if he's not the jets starting DL should be JJ - QW - QJ - JFM.

I wouldn't give him Huffs pass rush snaps on the rotation... Even Will Mcdonald...

I guess we're just too deep

I suspect that Lawson knew his role was going to be reduced when he took his pay cut. Lawson is hurt, so JJ will almost certainly start opening day. I’m not sure that wouldn’t’ve happened -or been planned- anyway, though. McDonald is going to see the field a lot, too, but early on they might prefer having the veteran edge-setter out there. But he’s got that mysterious back issue, too. If the young guys can prove themselves before he’s healthy enough to play, he may find himself having trouble getting on the field. 

[SickJetFan]

I keep thinking of that 1st preseason before Lawson got hurt and it was Lawson and Huff as the DEs.  They seemed unstoppable.  Then Lawson got hurt and Huff played about half dozen games before he got hurt but was largely ineffective.

so IMO i think you always need a guy that can demand double team at times to free up the speedier guys that get the glory

[BornJetsFan1983]

4 hours ago, Guilhermezmc said:

Carl Lawson should be behind JJ and Huff in the depth chart

Michael Carter should not make the team over Bam Knight

I like nu,ber 2

[65 Toss Power Trap]

Carl Lawson has never been what we thought we were getting. He sure talks a good game though and seems to be a warrior. When Uzomah got here last year he made the comment that if you drew up the ideal football player, he would look like Carl Lawson.

MC is a #3 at most. period. Good guy, positive locker room guy. We need him to get 1.8 yards per carry until Breece and Dalvin are totally functioning together.  

[chirorob]

2 hours ago, BigRy56 said:

JJ will take the starting spot before the year is through but Lawson will be a great rotational piece. I’m sure next March we will shed his contract and keep the pass rushing farm system moving at a low cost

Lawson will be phased out for JJ, but both will play heavy reps to keep them fresh for the 20 games coming up

[Spoot-Face]

3 hours ago, freestater said:

Gravity is a conspiracy 

It's not gravity, but the chains of tyrannical oppression holding us down.

#wAKEuPpEOPLE

[Alka]

4 hours ago, Guilhermezmc said:

Carl Lawson should be behind JJ and Huff in the depth chart

Michael Carter should not make the team over Bam Knight

Neither Michael Carter or Bam Knight should make the team.  We got our 2 superstars plus Izzy.  Bawden is our #4 running back.  

Arguing over which of those 2 guys is better is like arguing over who was the worst team in the NFL last year.  It doesn't matter.

[SickJetFan]

i dunno how hurt Lawson is but Lawson accounted for 58% of the defenses snaps 2022 on a very good defense...hense he must have been doing something right. 

When you only rushing 4 that means at least 2 DL must be able to occupy double team  (also means stats go down as far as sacks) Q or Al will do from inside but one of the DE need to do on outside with TE+T.

If JJ gonna get more snaps hopefully he up to that challenge

[Barton]

Assuming Jermaine Johnson starts, then Huff or McDonald need to have the MAJORITY of the snaps while on the field at the same time as Jermaine.

Dont give me this Jermaine Johnson and Lawson combo for the majority of the game. Neither guy can do what Huff or McDonald can. 

[Smashmouth]

5 hours ago, slats said:

On the play where Rodgers took the snap from center and threw it to him all in one continuous motion, Hardman did that little dancing thing on the sideline that almost cost the first down (it would’ve only been 2nd down, but still… ). That’s probably the play in @Smashmouth’s memory. I didn’t like that, and JT O’Sullivan called it out, too, in his video on Rodgers. I can accept that in the preseason, but not when the games start counting. 

he did it in KC as well and it did not sit well with Andy Reid

[Beerfish]

You guys are forgetting JFM who they are always hesitant to move from DE.  Even though they  talk about him going to DT all the time..

JFM who they love to give tons of snaps to, Lawson if healthy, JJ, Huff, McDonald

Then we have Clemons who they said was moving inside but he played a fair bit if not all DE in camp no?

Lawson for sure should be dumped moved but he's a coach favorite.

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

he did it in KC as well and it did not sit well with Andy Reid

He did that twice, one for Rodgers and one for Wilson on a catch.   Easy 1st down gain and both times barely made instead of getting another 5-10 yards.

He is a speed guy with average at best hands who does not play to his straight line speed.

I am biased because I was not a fan of this player before we got him but what I've seen so far is what he showed in the past.

[JohnJ]

6 hours ago, freestater said:

Gravity is a conspiracy 

Well the Earth is flat so yeah

[Jet_Engine1]

6 hours ago, hmhertz said:

Carl Lawson is the guy our fat bald genius GM brought in

to be our star pass rusher. Cinn. his former team replaced him

with Trey Hendrickson a better player with a better contract.

CL continues his career as hardly ever been available. The next

year Baldie proved his eye for talent against the Bengals again

by signing Uzomah.  CJ responded to  his 3 year 24 mil contract

with 21 receptions, the Bungholes replaces Uzo with Hayden Hurst

who caught 52 balls at a cost of five million

Oh. Ok.

[Jet_Engine1]

8 hours ago, nycdan said:

 

That's how it's done, @hmhertz

[Sarge4Tide]

Popeye’s > Chick-fil-A

[Joe W. Namath]

3 hours ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

Carl Lawson has never been what we thought we were getting. He sure talks a good game though and seems to be a warrior. When Uzomah got here last year he made the comment that if you drew up the ideal football player, he would look like Carl Lawson.

MC is a #3 at most. period. Good guy, positive locker room guy. We need him to get 1.8 yards per carry until Breece and Dalvin are totally functioning together.  

Carl Lawson was exactly what we thought we were getting when he was healthy.  He was a career 6 sack a season guy who got 7 sacks the one year he was healthy with us.

Cant account for injuries.

[Bocajetfan]

29 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Popeye’s > Chick-fil-A

For me Chick-fil-A 1/2 mile from my house 

Popeye’s 8 miles 

[Jet_Engine1]

8 hours ago, jgb said:

I was disappointed to learn that in former Soviet bloc countries, this isn’t as unpopular a view as it should be.

In former Soviet Bloc, Moon lands on YOU!

 

 

[Jet_Engine1]

1 hour ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Popeye’s > Chick-fil-A

I also enjoy gastric distress!

[Jerichoholic]

Pineapple is great on pizza


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[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

59 minutes ago, Jerichoholic said:

Pineapple is great on pizza

 

why would you ruin a perfectly good pizza by putting pineapple on it. You sir, do not deserve to eat pizza.

I bet you also put ketchup on your tacos instead of salsa.

[Maynard13]

10 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Mecole Hardman sucks and it was a mistake picking him up.

The Tony Adams hype is way way over the top.

Our linebackers are still shaky as hell as a group and will be attacked mercilessly by other teams.

That’s enough beer for you today. Milk shakes until after the roster is set. 

[docdhc]

Zach Wilson is great, we didn't need Aaron Rodgers!