JohnnyLV Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, THE BARON said: Same reason Rex liked CB's. Rex's defense was predicated on having CBs that can hold up in perpetual press-man while the second and third levels of the defense line up at the LOS and overload blitz. Skill at the third level and swarm forward with the first and second levels. Pressure, pressure, pressure. Saleh's defense is predicated on getting pressure and stopping the run at the first level with four guys. Skill needed and lots of fresh manpower. Pass rushing skill on the ends and big, disruptive beef on the inside. All gas, no breaks. It is key to keep them fresh so they can go at it each time with intensity. The second and third level's of the defense act as one big bee swarm. Speed, speed, speed. You need LB's with great closing speed, because they are reactive and not attacking. That is how a well manned 4-2-5 works. You need fresh DTs and DEs, fast LB's along with smart and instinctive DB's I think the most ironic thing is that we actually have the personnel for the Rex defense but insist on playing this brain dead rotation that minimizes the defense potential. How Sauce is used us criminal 3 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 minute ago, JohnnyLV said: I think the most ironic thing is that we actually have the personnel for the Rex defense but insist on playing this brain dead rotation that minimizes the defense potential. How Sauce is used us criminal Lol bud they don't rotate the CBs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/15/2024 at 7:14 AM, mrcoops said: Wasn't one of the main arguments for letting Huff go supposed to be getting more time on the field for Will McDonald? Not sure how signing Clowney to replace Huff would square with that one. Huff wanted to leave because he wants to start and not come out. It has nothing to do with anything else. He didn’t want to rotate, rotating the front is a pillar of Saleh’s philosophy. That’s it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 24 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said: I think the most ironic thing is that we actually have the personnel for the Rex defense but insist on playing this brain dead rotation that minimizes the defense potential. How Sauce is used us criminal I think Rex would like Sauce and DJ Reed, He would also like Q as his NT and JFM on his defensive line. He would probably not like JJ so much nor would he like any of the current Jets LB's He'd want bigger LB's and one DE/OLB like Calvin Pace. He would also need a really good three-technique on his defensive line. Remember how Rex used Shaun Ellis ??? Also... Rex would have his defensive front line up in one gap and two gap depending on how many guys he had on the line which could be as few as three or as many as 8 at times. Rex ran a base 34 where the OLB/DE was flexed. Saleh runs a 4-2-5 where the SS/LB is more or less the flex. Perhaps I would call it less of a flex and more of a blur between the second and third levels of the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 53 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said: We have a hole at 3rd safety. Tony Adams and Chuck Clark are the starters. Sign Ashtyn back and that problem is solved. Clark is coming of a massive injury and is not that great in any case imo. Adams is okay, Davis is a #3/#4 S who we do need to keep. If we do not upgrade we will be doing one of two things, 1 - complaining about the bad safety play next year or 2 - using like a 2nd (if we trade down) or 3rd round pick on a safety. There are still lots of safeties out there we need to get one, more so than yet another dlineman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 7 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Clark is coming of a massive injury and is not that great in any case imo. Adams is okay, Davis is a #3/#4 S who we do need to keep. If we do not upgrade we will be doing one of two things, 1 - complaining about the bad safety play next year or 2 - using like a 2nd (if we trade down) or 3rd round pick on a safety. There are still lots of safeties out there we need to get one, more so than yet another dlineman. Yeah, the idea is to get better. Clark is an unknown coming off injury. While I like Ashtyn Davis, I'm not sure he makes you better. Justin Simmons is still out there. Ballhawking FS with 30 career INTs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 21 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Clark is coming of a massive injury and is not that great in any case imo. Adams is okay, Davis is a #3/#4 S who we do need to keep. If we do not upgrade we will be doing one of two things, 1 - complaining about the bad safety play next year or 2 - using like a 2nd (if we trade down) or 3rd round pick on a safety. There are still lots of safeties out there we need to get one, more so than yet another dlineman. Oh I agree with much of your sentiment, but the Jets LOVE Chuck Clark and think he's perfect for their defense. He's going to start next to Adams. That leaves the depth spots. The Jets have shown that they don't care about safety, so I think you will see them take a mid to late round flyer on a system fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 First rumor in. That pay scale seems low and it’s too vague but hey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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neckdemon Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, ElBarrioJets said: Lol bud they don't rotate the CBs. no instead they make it very easy for the opponent to scheme their best guy away from sauce 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 hours ago, JohnnyLV said: I think the most ironic thing is that we actually have the personnel for the Rex defense but insist on playing this brain dead rotation that minimizes the defense potential. How Sauce is used us criminal Every QB we play struggles vs this defense yet here you are not satisfied ?? Exactly who is brain dead here ? I get the Sauce on an island deal but if you take away half the field with just his presence then you are accomplishing the exact same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 6 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: Every QB we play struggles vs this defense yet here you are not satisfied ?? Exactly who is brain dead here ? I get the Sauce on an island deal but if you take away half the field with just his presence then you are accomplishing the exact same thing. tell that to the dolphins and jaylen waddle when they didn't have tyreek hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/14/2024 at 9:37 PM, Jets Voice of Reason said: Don’t know what’s funnier. The Jets spending resources on more DL or the fact that the Jets are probably a leverage meeting for every FA to get a better deal for the team they actually want to get to. Tyron Smith says 'hi!' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/14/2024 at 5:42 PM, 83Kelly2Allen18 said: Clowney is supposedly visiting the jets He's still in his prime and obviously talented. We really need a couple wrs is he in his prime? idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, neckdemon said: tell that to the dolphins and jaylen waddle when they didn't have tyreek hill you citing one game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, neckdemon said: tell that to the dolphins and jaylen waddle when they didn't have tyreek hill #TheGreatJeffUlbrich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Crusher Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 29 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: How long does it take for this guy to eat a sandwich? How many got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 minutes ago, The Crusher said: How many got? 😂 It’s like I sent out the Bat signal! ”Sandwich? Did somebody say sandwich???” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 6 hours ago, ElBarrioJets said: Lol bud they don't rotate the CBs. Duh. We have a rotational system on the DL coupled with our corners limited to one side of the field and mostly in cover 3. It is literally the worst scheme for the talent we have., We have the best corner in football in man coverage. We have easily a Top 20 corner in DJ Reed. We have a Top 5 slot corner. And we have the highest rated coverage linebacker in the NFL. And we play a soft zone and don't blitz. There is no HC in the NFL more of a slave to his system than Saleh 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 If nothing else I trust Saleh and Ulbrich to lead a good defense. I do wish Sauce travelled with the 1’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 hours ago, Smashmouth said: Every QB we play struggles vs this defense yet here you are not satisfied ?? Exactly who is brain dead here ? I get the Sauce on an island deal but if you take away half the field with just his presence then you are accomplishing the exact same thing. I did not say it was not a good defense. It is because we have an exceptional secondary. Probably better than Revis/Cromartie. I am saying though that it has the ingredients to be dominant in another scheme that utilized the players better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, JohnnyLV said: I did not say it was not a good defense. It is because we have an exceptional secondary. Probably better than Revis/Cromartie. I am saying though that it has the ingredients to be dominant in another scheme that utilized the players better. I was not trying to say you thought it was a bad defense .... Thing is we play a lot of zone and that means you stay to your side and your assignment. When you are trying to mix up looks you can't just dictate who a given player is going to be covering. QB confusion is the key here not forcing Sauce into coverage. Our scheme does a great job of giving QB's fits and I think this is probably a better use of our players then Rex's defense. No way to know for sure but if it works dont try to fix it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Clowney is 21 years old....with 10 years of NFL experience! Get 'er done Joe! Make Saleh happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 14 hours ago, JohnnyLV said: I think the most ironic thing is that we actually have the personnel for the Rex defense but insist on playing this brain dead rotation that minimizes the defense potential. How Sauce is used us criminal I get this complaint heading into last year but guys, look at the results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 I can't see Clowney signing for the Jets (or anyone else) for cheap anytime soon. His past M.O is to take his time, look around and find the best fit / the most money. Last year, he didn't sign with Baltimore until mid-August. He has other visits lined up, so he's going to see what is out there and then decide where to sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMetsDevilsPA Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 6 minutes ago, mrcoops said: I can't see Clowney signing for the Jets (or anyone else) for cheap anytime soon. His past M.O is to take his time, look around and find the best fit / the most money. Last year, he didn't sign with Baltimore until mid-August. He has other visits lined up, so he's going to see what is out there and then decide where to sign. I look at it this way - He is 31 years old, never won a super bowl and JD did some serious sh*t to upgrade the roster (despite everyone's opinions). If he is anything like me, I'm going where I can win because nothing else matters - Somewhere where peoples asses are on the line and it's all in. At this point in his career should money even matter? I'm not saying he's going to sign because of what I just stated, I'm just saying a Super Bowl would be more important to me than the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Complete failure on JD's part to let this guy leave without a contract!!! Wake up, JD! Wake up!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 16 hours ago, Beerfish said: Clark is coming of a massive injury and is not that great in any case imo. Adams is okay, Davis is a #3/#4 S who we do need to keep. If we do not upgrade we will be doing one of two things, 1 - complaining about the bad safety play next year or 2 - using like a 2nd (if we trade down) or 3rd round pick on a safety. There are still lots of safeties out there we need to get one, more so than yet another dlineman. I'd love to bring Davis back, but worst case the 3rd isn't a bad spot for this safety class. Maybe even the 4th tbh. Kam Kinchens has been falling in mocks for a while now and could last til 72. Otherwise a kid like Sione Vaki is someone I'm sure our staff would love. Perhaps Cole Bishop if we wait til pick 111. I think it's unlikely we go ALL offense in this draft, so I can see one of our first 4 picks going towards the D. If Davis isn't re-signed, safety makes as much sense as any. Either way we need at least one more body there, and Davis showed a lot of progression last year. Wouldn't be surprised if he settles in as a solid starter in this league. That safety against Atlanta is still one of the most impressive defensive efforts I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 7 hours ago, FootballLove said: Clowney is 21 years old....with 10 years of NFL experience! Get 'er done Joe! Make Saleh happy. Woa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Crickets? Anybody got anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Jethead said: Crickets? Anybody got anything? He'll sign tonight. Odds -200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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static14 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 3/21/2024 at 12:54 PM, Larz said: Figured this news would have triggered someone to post a picture of Joe Douglas with a clown nose by now?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 We coulda just franchise tagged Huff who is younger and better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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