Larz Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 8 hours ago, hawk said: Late to the party and posted as I came across it. Did you know they split the $5.4 though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Dunnie said: Nice ... Would be better if it was in the memorial cemetery of all the fallen and ruined QBs this franchise has buried. Tough to "ruin" that which was terrible on arrival. If you want to fault the Jets for failing to mold art out of a pile of sh*t, have at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: https://theathletic.com/4861001/2023/09/14/aaron-rodgers-injury-cut-block/ “It was a cut block. Went to cut the defensive end, he played it well, and he got home, and Aaron got injured,” Brown said. “I gotta execute the cut better.” But even if we go with the premise that Brown was "just being nice", look at the other 2 passes AR threw. He was on the run on all 3 attempts. You want to tell me that the receivers weren't open? Or that it was a bad job by Nate Hackett with the schemes? Yeah, I agree we stunk! AR8 was bound to get crushed eventually, playing with that crap! Even a HOF'er is going to look bad and start pirouetting. I’m not saying that the offensive line was good last year. What I’m saying is: 1. Yes; Duane Brown is being extremely generous. 2. Duane Brown being generous does not erase the fact that Garrett Wilson was wide open for a full 2 seconds on the play that Rodgers was hurt, so blaming the offensive line for the injury is silly. He held the ball too long. Tom Brady extended his career by almost always running the play as it was designed, finding the open man, and most importantly, going down safely when a free rusher was breathing down his neck. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Jetluv58 said: I hope he kicks ass there and makes us regret it, TBH. That isn't happening, so no worries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 16 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: "Hardly"? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. He's in the f***ing TOP 3 at worst. Considering the draft position and total ******* drama-fest circus the kid was, yeah, he's as big a bust as this franchise has ever had. Fact. My point was, if you correctly read the post I responded to, was that Zack was not "the biggest bust in team history" . There were other worse ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 14 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: My point was, if you correctly read the post I responded to, was that Zack was not "the biggest bust in team history" . There were other worse ones. People have forgotten Gholston never got a single sack, and Blair Thomas was a tiny softie that ran out of bounds. Zach isn’t the worst bust but he’s the most hated for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 45 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Tough to "ruin" that which was terrible on arrival. If you want to fault the Jets for failing to mold art out of a pile of sh*t, have at it. once again you show how unknowledgeable you are, and you do it with such confidence, its funny and sad..... If an artist picks a pile of sh*t, and can't mold that pile of sh*t, its on them for picking a pile of sh*t in the first place. If you pick the pile of sh*t, its up to you to mold that pile of sh*t, if you can't, dont' pick the pile of sh*t.... Happy tuesday pal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, Jetluv58 said: I hope he kicks ass there and makes us regret it, TBH. Zach Fans instead of Jets Fans. A player instead of the Laundry. I am sure the Broncos have a board for you to post on where you can express all your deepest Zach dreams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Zach's gonna fail the physical. I've seen this movie before... @The Crusher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, freestater said: Zach's gonna fail the physical. I've seen this movie before... @The Crusher I think Voorhees was his mom’s maiden name, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, The Crusher said: I think Voorhees was his mom’s maiden name, "my sweet sweet boy. They should have watched him every minute! Every minute!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 11 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: You addressed 0 of my 2 questions. You’re implying Sean Payton is going to unlock Zach. After 3 years of him being the worst qb in the NFL the hope is still there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 42 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: My point was, if you correctly read the post I responded to, was that Zack was not "the biggest bust in team history" . There were other worse ones. No, there weren't. Given the opportunity cost of using that # 2 overall pick on Zach Wilson over the other guys we COULD have taken in that class, Zach Wilson was easily the biggest bust in franchise history. If your counter here is "Gholston": The difference between a # 2 overall and the # 6 overall to take Gholston is pretty massive, and the '08 class was also very weak by comparison. If we're talking worst PICKS in franchise history, that title would go to either Jamal Adams or Christian Hackenberg. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Rangers9 said: Right now I'd say zippo to ZW being a starter for now. But they said the same thing about Geno Smith. It's not impossible that Zach resurrects. Esp with Payton as his Hc. At least Payton thinks he has a chance. To say impossible that ZW just because he sucks now can't ever be a good player inaccurate. Geno had a bullet arm, could march a team down the field at times (AT TIMES). Heck, we were 8-8 in his rookie year. Zach is Dennis the Menace. GO BLUE SHIRTS!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Tough to "ruin" that which was terrible on arrival. If you want to fault the Jets for failing to mold art out of a pile of sh*t, have at it. That is a hell of a collection of sh*t piles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 minutes ago, Dunnie said: That is a hell of a collection of sh*t piles. Exactly. The Jets draft sh*t and we know they're sh*t because they still remain sh*t at other, better destinations. Glad we agree. You can count on one hand the number of Jet-drafted players since the merger who failed here and went on to succeed elsewhere. The rest of the players who were sh*t here were sh*t elsewhere, and ended up out of the league in short order. It's like you guys are surprised that a terrible organization has been bad at evaluating talent in the draft. Woah who'd have thunk it???? A bad org doesn't draft secretly good talent??? No way!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 8 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: Geno had a bullet arm, could march a team down the field at times (AT TIMES). Heck, we were 8-8 in his rookie year. Zach is Dennis the Menace. GO BLUE SHIRTS!!!! Geno Smith's primary issue was immaturity, which it took him many years to work through. The Giants and Chargers dispatched him and even the Seahawks "hedged" when they had him compete with Drew Lock for their job post-Russell Wilson. It took him 9.5 years to become an average NFL starter on his 4th team. But I'm sure some here love to use him as the posterchild for why the Jets' biggest issue over the decades is talent development rather than evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alka Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Upon leaving the Jets, Zach Wilson said that he will miss his teammates, but will miss their moms even more! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flashlite80 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Look, Zach did not play well. He has problems with pressure and his QBR is below 30 when under pressure. Having said that, I believe if he will, eventually, succeed if he gets good protection. Anyone who thinks the pass protection has been anything short of disgraceful during his entire tenure, hasn't watched this team. Every QB in the history of the game has struggled when under constant pressure and vicious hits. I've seen Brady, Manning, Kelly and all the others wilt in similar situations. What do they all have in common? The clean white jersey every week. The clean pocket while they wait for crossing patterns, etc. I am not saying that was Zach's only problem. I am saying, Joe D should be skewered for the miserable job he did with the offensive line for 4 years in a row. There is no way to imagine what 4 years of being constantly massacred by 300+ pound lineman can do to your confidence. Zach gets a second chance, hopefully behind a solid line. I wish him well. It wouldn't surprise me if he reemerges as a solid QB in the coming years. If he does, it will be on Joe D. Hope the blind squirrel finally found the nut or Rodgers won't last much longer than he did last year, and he will leave us in salary cap hell for years with nothing to show for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said: Anyone who thinks the pass protection has been anything short of disgraceful during his entire tenure, hasn't watched this team. Sounds like you ignored all the times Zach Wilson held onto the ball for seemingly a lifetime. The OL was indeed poor from Week 5/6 on this past season. The first 2+ years of his career he was middle-of-the-pack or better for pocket time. What does that mean? The OL mostly did its job and Zach Wilson made their lives far more difficult by running backwards, leaving the pocket at the first hint of trouble, or, again, holding it for 3+ seconds (which he did more than any other QB, by far, despite being less mobile than a bunch of the running QBs). 4 other Jets' QBs who took significant snaps for this team had little more than minor issues getting the ball out and avoiding sacks. Mike White and Joe Flacco are statues who managed a sack rate under 6 %. Zach's? Over 10 % for his Jets career. Just stop. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 20 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Oh boy, here we go with the Steve Young, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, etc comparisons. The NFL was a completely different game in the early 2000s. The Ty Law rule didn't even come into effect until 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 54 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: I keep seeing this from people and it could not be more misleading. The game being completely different than it is now aside, Drew Brees had improved and put together two solid full seasons before he was pushed out of San Diego: Zach never came close to matching that sort of production here. Now, Brees had the massive concern regarding his shoulder that scared teams, but that is a whole different conversation because, yeah, there was a chance that he might not be the same player, but the other side of that coin is that you would be getting a very solid young QB that you could build around should he be able to fully recover. With Wilson, you’re solely relying on the hope that he isn’t nearly as bad as what he has put on tape. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigB Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Sean Payton is just trying to stick it up Nat Hackett and Jets a$$ if he is able to make Zach an average QB in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 11 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Duane Brown did a terrific job falling on his face! It's ironic, too, that AR8 tried to do the pirouette move that ZW routinely got criticized for. it was a 2 second play he held on for 4 seconds Wilson was incredibly open he passed it up Rodgers is gunshy and old and that showed up on 22 film as well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, bitonti said: it was a 2 second play he held on for 4 seconds Wilson was incredibly open he passed it up Rodgers is gunshy and old and that showed up on 22 film as well Pretty sweet 4 play analysis. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Pretty sweet 4 play analysis. the other 3 were handoffs i think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 Remember when Vernon Gholston single-handedly tanked three consecutive seasons for the New York Jets? 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Zach can’t hurt you anymore. He’s all gone. Even though he was never ever gonna be traded, somehow he was. The horse is dead, long live the horse! 2 5 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Larz said: People have forgotten Gholston never got a single sack, and Blair Thomas was a tiny softie that ran out of bounds. Zach isn’t the worst bust but he’s the most hated for sure. Neither hamstrung their team the way he did. He's absolutely the worst. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Rogers Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Flashlite80 said: Zach gets a second chance, hopefully behind a solid line. I wish him well. It wouldn't surprise me if he reemerges as a solid QB in the coming years. If he does, it will be on Joe D. Hope the blind squirrel finally found the nut or Rodgers won't last much longer than he did last year, and he will leave us in salary cap hell for years with nothing to show for it. It was a hell of a lot more than just the offensive line. Lack of a great developmental coaching staff, lack of veteran guidance and offensive weapons his first year (and 2nd arguably), poor personnel management with regards to his benchings and returns, sh*thousery from the media, ineffective play calling (mainly year 3)... the list is huge. To those defending the OL - that OL got Mike white killed too, and made mince meat of our run game. Wilson sucked at getting the ball out fast, but it's not like he had much time to process either or a load of weapons he could trust most of his tenure. Unfortunately it's hard to see Wilson rebounding, especially when he still seems to have mechanical and processing issues. Plus, the Broncos have horrible offensive personnel, no money, and a coach who doesn't seem to value the type player Wilson is. I'm rooting for the kid, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he rebounds elsewhere, but if he does it'll be somewhere else after 2024. Maybe the Rams or something. And I'm not sure he'll ever bounce back from this Jets tenure. God, I remember being so excited after that game winning bomb to Corey Davis in the Titans game zachs first year. It's a shame it played out this way, but ultimately Wilson is culpable too. Just a failure by all parties. I do feel better about moving on from Wilson than I did about Darnold, but that ain't saying much... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, freestater said: Zach's gonna fail the physical. I've seen this movie before... @The Crusher Probably still recovering from that season-ending concussion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 43 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Neither hamstrung their team the way he did. He's absolutely the worst. Lam Jones gives them a run for their money. Consider: - Jones was taken in the very same number 2 slot as Wilson, BUT the Jets expended the number 13 and number 20 overall pick in order to move up to that number 2 slot. -Jones was the very FIRST NFL player to be given a salary over 1 million dollars. -After starting 13 games his rookie year (totaling only 25 receptions for almost 500 yards), Jones only started 23 games over his next 4 years. I could very easily argue that Lam Jones IS the greatest bust in Jet draft history. But, really, what we are doing here is quibbling over the ugliest pig in the stable at the farm. You recognize that every team makes mistakes, and you move on from your mistakes. That is what the Jets are doing here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, bitonti said: it was a 2 second play he held on for 4 seconds Wilson was incredibly open he passed it up Rodgers is gunshy and old and that showed up on 22 film as well the problem is he never got vaccinated, had he been vaccinated he would be fine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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