Jet Nut Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Paradis said: tell me how many games Leo has had a direct impact on the outcome. So about the same as Clowney Without JJ Watt creating pressure from the front 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodGreen Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Unfortunately, this comment is just as applicable to Williams as it is to Clowney. The only real difference is one plays a position the team is overloaded at, while the other plays a position of weakness for the team for many years now. I seriously doubt it would happen anyway, as Houston likely wouldn't be interested, but that's why many here would be on board with that.I think Leo and Clowney are comparable players, and Williams has been far more durable. I would rather keep the younger Williams as Clowney has been pretty underwhelming compared to his freakish athleticism and power. He is lazy and complacent and would end up being a massive headache. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Leo 64 games, 17 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 32 tackles for loss, 85 Qb hits Clowney 62 games, 29 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 64 tackles for loss, 67 QB hits 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Leo 64 games, 17 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 32 tackles for loss, 85 Qb hits Clowney 62 games, 29 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 64 tackles for loss, 67 QB hits For an OLB that’s not impressive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, TexJet said: So many Jets fans have absolutely no clue how good Clowney really is. Some of his best work has resulted when JJ has been injured, which is a fair amount in the last 3 years. But keep thinking he stinks.... This. Next to Mack, he’s the best alternative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, New York Mick said: For an OLB that’s not impressive. VASTLY more impactful than our DT. And since we just drafted another DT at 3 and have anderson and mclendon and guys trending uo like kafusi and fatkusi and since our olbs suck awfully a switch of resources makes sense. If his stats are bad then leos really stink, look at tfl and and sacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, TexJet said: So many Jets fans have absolutely no clue how good Clowney really is. Some of his best work has resulted when JJ has been injured, which is a fair amount in the last 3 years. But keep thinking he stinks.... First off J Clowney been playing out of position, as his best position is De in 4-3 defense. He might even be better if you put him in the correct scheme fit. Why I would be very leery of trading for him. Forget what you are going to have to acquire him , and how much it’s going to cost to sign him. J Clowney trade is very risky for one reason he had microfracture surgery on one of his knees. At what point does that knee start to break down. This trade could backfire big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Beerfish said: VASTLY more impactful than our DT. And since we just drafted another DT at 3 and have anderson and mclendon and guys trending uo like kafusi and fatkusi and since our olbs suck awfully a switch of resources makes sense. If his stats are bad then leos really stink, look at tfl and and sacks. He’d be here for one year and leave. He wants to go to a team that has a chance at the SB. Obviously he’s better at getting TFL and Sacks. That’s his main job as an OLB. I’d rather keep Leo here (assuming he resigns with the Jets) and a pick then ship him and a pick off for a player that doesn’t want to be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Dunnie said: Texans won't trade Clowney for Anderson because Robby simply id not in the same ballpark talent wise as Clowney ...Leo is. I think it's gotta be Leo in the deal ... Wish it were as simple as trading Robby Rundeep ... But that's not how it works. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Robby Anderson is a substantially better player than Leo. Really not even close. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, New York Mick said: If Clowney had a long term contract and it was him for Leo straight up, sure but it’s not. Clowney would be here a year and leave, Leo will probably resign with the Jets. Houston is also going to want more then just Leo. I don’t think Leo resigns with the Jets. I don’t think we even make an offer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Clowney would play OLB. All Leo's presence does is keep either QW or Anderson off the field. For $14.2M. Leo + 3rd rounder or later for Clowney would be a heist. Yes and No.....we would have a solid rotation at DL....keep everyone fresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Paradis said: I don’t think Leo resigns with the Jets. I don’t think we even make an offer. Tough call depends on how QW does this year and McClendon isn't getting any younger if Leo plays lights this season I think we pay him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Paradis said: I don’t think Leo resigns with the Jets. I don’t think we even make an offer. Based on what?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Yes and No.....we would have a solid rotation at DL....keep everyone fresh We already have plenty of bodies on the DL to keep guys fresh. No reason to spend $14.2M on a rotational piece if we don’t have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: Leo and Clowney are about a straight swap $ wise. Clowney tagged at $15.96..... Leo 5th yr. option at $14.2 and an UFA next year. Makes no sense for Houston. They'd have to deal with Leo being an UDFA next year..... no value to the team. They want a high draft pick.... nothing else! I think thats extremely unlikely for two reasons. One, he has a large contract that many teams can accommodate with the salary cap at this late stage. Two, his status is basically a one year rental with no ability to negotiate an extension with the team at acquires him until after the season, so no guarantee of keeping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 He met with the Dolphins coaching staff today. Seems likely that Miami is his landing spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 imagine comparing a 3-4 DE to A 3-4 Edge stats wise.. then acting like it’s suppose to be a surprise that the edge has more sacks . As if both positions have the same responsibilities 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said: We are absolutely in win now mode. If not now, when? Support your young talented QB with the best team possible. Oh I don’t know when the GM as built a roster that’s not bottom 5 in the NFL. We have the most important part Sam, the rest seems a little lacking yet. Most notable important holes:- Oline. Corner back. Edge Rusher. No #1 receiver. Paper thin depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Dunnie said: Wish it were as simple as trading Robby Rundeep ... But that's not how it works. You must of not been around much. Robby Anderson can run the entire route tree now. Thanks tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Multiple Media reports : Texans want a WR ,OL and/or RB upgrades for Clowney Jets fan : let’s offer them Leo lol 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Raideraholic said: This trade could backfire big time. Like Khalil Mack or Amari Cooper? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 yeah but those QB hits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, GreenFish said: He met with the Dolphins coaching staff today. Seems likely that Miami is his landing spot. Let the Dolphins sign him. He is the next Haynesworth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Really? You dont have much history with fanbases then. Especially the out of town total homer fanbases. Try living in FL and have these yahoos tell you the Dolphins have been more successful than the Jets since the turn of the century. These clowns thin playoffs this year The fired HC of our most laughable rival is being hailed as a savior. In fact for the first day of his signing, people were jumping off bridges here. Then, a complete Orwellian flip flop, with many posting with no hint of irony: “hated this move yesterday but after sleeping on it, I think it’s brilliant.” Again, a defense of Gase at the end of last season would’ve been roundly mocked. We have always been at war with Eurasia. I stick with my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 10 hours ago, SR24 said: I think people on here are under valuing Clowney because he hasn’t lived up to the massive hype he got mostly from 1,2 plays in college. If we had a player coming off back to back 9 sack seasons, in relative good health and still in his prime wouldn’t we all want to give him a big contract knowing Sams on a rookie deal? Clowney would be a fantastic addition to the defense and would fill a hole that we’ve had for almost a decade. I think he’s a good, not great player, who has been playing along side one the best defensemen in the league. That helps. I’d be much more inclined to trading a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him if we could sign him long term. But on a one year rental with no guarantees?...nah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 hours ago, GreenFish said: He met with the Dolphins coaching staff today. Seems likely that Miami is his landing spot. How? He doesn’t have an agent, he only has one year left, he wants to play for a potential SB team, the Texans still own his rights and I don’t think Miami is even dumb enough to give up a number 1 or a LT plus a pick for an OLB that’s never broke 10 sacks a year. The only thing that has a chance in this is Miami has a lot of picks including two seconds but would they trade away a lot to get a player for one year? That would be dumb as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Paradis said: I don’t think Leo resigns with the Jets. I don’t think we even make an offer. Based on what? And there’s a better chance of Leo resigning with the Jets or getting tagged then Clowney signing with the Jets when he doesn’t want to play for a bottom team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Peace Frog said: ESPN reporting Miami is involved. Sounds like he’s talking to them, must have gotten permission. Miami? Wow, that's like going to the 2014 Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 hours ago, New York Mick said: For an OLB that’s not impressive. 64 tackles for a loss is pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jetster said: 64 tackles for a loss is pretty impressive. Agreed but everyone that seems to want him thinks it will solve the passrushing issue, he’s never had 10 sacks or a lot of QB hits. It will definitely help if you compare him to the OLBs currently on the Jets but as I said he doesn’t have but one year left on his contract. We don’t need another Farve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, New York Mick said: How? He doesn’t have an agent, he only has one year left, he wants to play for a potential SB team, the Texans still own his rights and I don’t think Miami is even dumb enough to give up a number 1 or a LT plus a pick for an OLB that’s never broke 10 sacks a year. The only thing that has a chance in this is Miami has a lot of picks including two seconds but would they trade away a lot to get a player for one year? That would be dumb as hell. Plus Miamis new coach comes from the Patriots tree. Giving up players & draft capital on a rebuilding team with no clear starter (Fitz & Rosen) makes no sense whatsoever? Jets are involved because we have the money. I think Leo & Trumaine are gone next year. JD won't give up too much, Clowney is not Mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 You must of not been around much. Robby Anderson can run the entire route tree now. Thanks tho.Answer : 587 - 2, 941 - 7, 752 - 6 ....What's the question ???Robby Anderson is a nice player w pedestrian numbers. Meh.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Robby Anderson is a substantially better player than Leo. Really not even close.Oh really ??? 587 - 2, 941 - 7, 752 - 6 ....Robby Anderson is a nice player w pedestrian numbers. Meh.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Agreed but everyone that seems to want him thinks it will solve the passrushing issue, he’s never had 10 sacks or a lot of QB hits. It will definitely help if you compare him to the OLBs currently on the Jets but as I said he doesn’t have but one year left on his contract. We don’t need another Farve. Agree about the 1 year rental but if it's a Leo swap I think it makes the Jets Dline better & more balanced. Leo's fate was sealed when we drafted QW, he's a better player I can see it already, so I see no way we resign him for some greedy agents asinine money grab. Next years draft will focus on Edge, Oline & CB, the 3 positions in the NFL that cost the most in free agency. I think the Jets are a better team + Clowney minus Leo this year, its more balance & McClendon, Kaufusi & Foley Fat can do Leo's job. Of course I have no idea if the Texans would even want Leo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Clowney isn't even a household name. I was never impressed with him, lotta hype. Seems due to be hurt again too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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