Dunnie Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Sacre Bleu ! https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-name-team-mvp-and-its-not-patrick-mahomes-000628158.html Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 A safety was also named MVP of the Pro Bowl last year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 If the Chiefs don't value their QB, I'd trade them a 2nd rounder for him. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Hahaahaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 they showed mathieu trying to inspire the defense in the 4th qtr. whatever he said apparently worked because they put some good pressure on garapollo from that point on. i remember seeing one play where he read the power sweep and raced across the field to almost make the play. i think mostert was the ball carrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Creepy Lurker Posted February 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2020 A safety that we could have obtained for a modest price in free agency because good safeties actually hit free agency pretty regularly. You use PREMIUM draft capital on PREMIUM positions. It’s simple. FA is meant for starter positions like SS, ILB, run stuffing DT,K,P maybe TE and RB and then depth for any positions. You still draft non premium positions as early as round 3 if the right prospect is available even though it’s not a position that’s as important. Of course there may be the occasional exception but these are just general guidelines for maximizing value and EFFICIENTLY building a roster. Is it really that difficult to at least understand this concept or why it makes sense? 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 They must have been very inspired by his Super Bowl tirade wherein he was heard yelling about how his team needed more dawgs and how dare the Cardinals release him because the Patriots wouldn’t release Tom Brady and the Rams wouldn’t release Aaron Donald. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I watched his post game interview. Dude has some chompers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Championships are won by pop-gun passing offenses and shut down secondaries. So a Safety is a very important position in today's NFL. SAR I 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Mathieu had 2x as many INTs (4) this year as Jamal has had in his career. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 But I thought motivation and leadership were irrelevant, and safeties are judged purely on interception stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Mathieu had 2x as many INTs (4) this year as Jamal has had in his career. Maybe when the NY Jets get a legitimate edge rusher and Jamal Adams is able to play in the secondary he will get more INT's,players who line up at the line of scrimmage have less of a chance at an INT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Maybe when the NY Jets get a legitimate edge rusher and Jamal Adams is able to play in the secondary he will get more INT's,players who line up at the line of scrimmage have less of a chance at an INT. Yes, because in the first 2 years of his career, Jamal racked up tons of INTs at the traditional SS spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Maybe when the NY Jets get a legitimate edge rusher and Jamal Adams is able to play in the secondary he will get more INT's,players who line up at the line of scrimmage have less of a chance at an INT. This is a valid point. But from what we have seen, coverage is his weakest skill, so perhaps the way he is being used now is the best for him. I'd hate to see him get a big contract and then drop way more often into coverage but be mediocre at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, because in the first 2 years of his career, Jamal racked up tons of INTs at the traditional SS spot. Yes because our entire D was so dominant those 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, because in the first 2 years of his career, Jamal racked up tons of INTs at the traditional SS spot. 8 minutes ago, Dcat said: This is a valid point. But from what we have seen, coverage is his weakest skill, so perhaps the way he is being used now is the best for him. I'd hate to see him get a big contract and then drop way more often into coverage but be mediocre at it. Without a legitimate pass rush any QB will pick apart any secondary in the NFL. Ironically Jamal Adams had more sacks then our 2019 #3 draft pick a defensive lineman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dcat said: This is a valid point. But from what we have seen, coverage is his weakest skill, so perhaps the way he is being used now is the best for him. I'd hate to see him get a big contract and then drop way more often into coverage but be mediocre at it. And the problem with that is the closer he gets to the LOS, the lower his value to the team drops. It's not sustainable to use him as a pass rusher/LB exclusively or even the majority of the time. He's not going to be fighting blockers the rest of his career. If we use him exclusively at the LOS, opposing offenses will adjust accordingly, and you won't see him picking up more than 2-3 sacks a year as opposed to the 6.5 he got this year. And if the best argument you can muster is "well, if we get a legitimate EDGE Jamal will be unleashed", then that's just not a good reason to pay Jamal $16M+. Just get the EDGE rusher however you can and move on from Jamal in that case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dcat said: This is a valid point. But from what we have seen, coverage is his weakest skill, so perhaps the way he is being used now is the best for him. I'd hate to see him get a big contract and then drop way more often into coverage but be mediocre at it. Aint no but about it. He has the terrible hands, no intuition, average speed and clumsy feet. Not exactly a who’s who of traditional skills of a safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted February 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2020 Mathieu's 6 tackles really was the epic, all-pro performance of the Super Bowl. That's impact. Replace Mathieu with an average player who might only get 4 or 5 tackles, and the Chiefs lose. That's just obvious. Resign Adams long-term to all the monies! Super Bowls will then flow! 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Mathieu when healthy is a great cover safety. He has great coverage skills and is a ball hawk. There's a reason the Cardinals grossly over paid for him despite a shaky knee. He was flat out great in coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Dunnie said: Sacre Bleu ! https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-name-team-mvp-and-its-not-patrick-mahomes-000628158.html Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Don't they know S isn't an important position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 A safety was just inducted to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, in his first year of eligibility. His teammates and opposing players claimed he could change the course of a game by his disruptive play. Would be nice if young Mr. Adams would display a little of his humility, maybe he’ll learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: Maybe when the NY Jets get a legitimate edge rusher and Jamal Adams is able to play in the secondary he will get more INT's,players who line up at the line of scrimmage have less of a chance at an INT. His sack totals and tfl stats will go down and he will get cooked in coverage. Jamal Adams will become just another SS if the jets ever get an edge rusher. Let's pay him 16 mill a year though anyways. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Mathieu had 2x as many INTs (4) this year as Jamal has had in his career. Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Does anyone who doesn't take their marching orders from T0m Shane actually buy in to the narrative that Jamal Adams is only as valuable as the number of INT's he gets? I imagine anyone who wants to make an honest evaluation of his value understands this methodology is silly at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 To be honest it was the Chiefs defense that really won the Super Bowl IMO. If they dont gets three and out that drive the game is over 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Dunnie said: Sacre Bleu ! https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-name-team-mvp-and-its-not-patrick-mahomes-000628158.html Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk It's a good feel good story for the NFL. Guy overcame demons, some self created, non the less not the easiest path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jets723 said: To be honest it was the Chiefs defense that really won the Super Bowl IMO. If they dont gets three and out that drive the game is over No doubt, and the Niners O lost the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Does anyone who doesn't take their marching orders from T0m Shane actually buy in to the narrative that Jamal Adams is only as valuable as the number of INT's he gets? I imagine anyone who wants to make an honest evaluation of his value understands this methodology is silly at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Apache 51 said: No doubt, and the Niners O lost the game. Yup Shanahan killed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Does anyone who doesn't take their marching orders from T0m Shane actually buy in to the narrative that Jamal Adams is only as valuable as the number of INT's he gets? I imagine anyone who wants to make an honest evaluation of his value understands this methodology is silly at best. Turnovers help you win, moreso than run stopping at the line. The great safeties of our time have all created turnovers. If you want to be mentioned in the same breath as great safeties and be paid like one you have to consistently generate turnovers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Does anyone who doesn't take their marching orders from T0m Shane actually buy in to the narrative that Jamal Adams is only as valuable as the number of INT's he gets? I imagine anyone who wants to make an honest evaluation of his value understands this methodology is silly at best. If you're not forcing turnovers GTFO. The sacks are nice but not sustainable. Offenses will adjust if we try to use Jamal the same next year. 3 sacks at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Adams is an in the box strong safety. Mathieu is a true free safety. They aren't the same position. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Wonderboy said: Aint no but about it. He has the terrible hands, no intuition, average speed and clumsy feet. Not exactly a who’s who of traditional skills of a safety. His 40 time, (4.56). and 3 cone, (6.96), are about the norm for wide receivers. He's mostly covering tight ends. Hands not great, but speed and agility are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, kelticwizard said: His 40 time, (4.56). and 3 cone, (6.96), are about the norm for wide receivers. He's mostly covering tight ends. Hands not great, but speed and agility are there. All I can say is go see your optometrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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