Does anyone else want Justin Fields?

[Embrace the Suck]

I only saw his Jesus game. For those who have watched numerous game of his does he really have processing issues? If so might they be overstated?

[Philc1]

8 minutes ago, bitonti said:

 

look at Kiper's Mock, look at McShay's mock, neither man has a QB going 2 either by trade or whatever

Jets fans have not gotten over the loss of Trevor, and are rebounding hard in every direction 

Wilson and Fields are interesting prospects... if they make it to 23

the internet has wildly overrated both men based on need

they are each flawed, and blatant reaches at 2 overall, and JD isn't going to reach so it's not really worth everyone's brainpower debating it 

JD is going to take value at the top of the draft, as he should. It might be Smith, Chase or Sewell. It might be that trade down everyone wants and then they take the QB. 

people talk crap about Mac but Quinnen at 3 was in fact the right move. they didn't need to reach for Josh Allen DE or whatever. The draft at the top end offers you players and you take what's offered

reaching at 2 for either of these players is a bad idea, borne out of desperation 

Yep, Jets fans mentally had Trevor in a jet uniform for 4 months.  Now they’re trying to convince themselves either of these clowns Fields or Wilson is half the QB Trevor is

[#27TheDominator]

2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Yep, Jets fans mentally had Trevor in a jet uniform for 4 months.  Now they’re trying to convince themselves either of these clowns Fields or Wilson is half the QB Trevor is

While you try to convince us that Mac Jones is better? 

[bitonti]

Just now, Philc1 said:

Yep, Jets fans mentally had Trevor in a jet uniform for 4 months.  Now they’re trying to convince themselves either of these clowns Fields or Wilson is half the QB Trevor is

the silver lining is the winless jets would have "joe Burrowed" Trevor by week 4

Watson trade would be a shortcut. Reaching on Wilson would be a shortcut. 

Coach Saleh says it every time we hear from him THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS

I disagree with almost everything else SAR says but one metaphor he made was spot on, putting a BMW M3 engine into a Ford Escort only makes the Escort run worse. 

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

While you try to convince us that Mac Jones is better? 

He will be better in the nfl.  Yes.

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

Just now, bitonti said:

the silver lining is the winless jets would have "joe Burrowed" Trevor by week 4

Watson trade would be a shortcut. Reaching on Wilson would be a shortcut. 

Coach Saleh says it every time we hear from him THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS

I disagree with almost everything else SAR says but one metaphor he made was spot on, putting a BMW M3 engine into a Ford Escort only makes the Escort run worse. 

And putting no engine in makes it run not at all.

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

the silver lining is the winless jets would have "joe Burrowed" Trevor by week 4

Watson trade would be a shortcut. Reaching on Wilson would be a shortcut. 

Coach Saleh says it every time we hear from him THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS

I disagree with almost everything else SAR says but one metaphor he made was spot on, putting a BMW M3 engine into a Ford Escort only makes the Escort run worse. 

The problem with Watson is he will cost a minimum of 5 high draft picks and he’s just not good enough to overcome that with what is currently a bottom 3 NFL roster

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

The problem with Watson is he will cost a minimum of 5 high draft picks and he’s just not good enough to overcome that with what is currently a bottom 3 NFL roster

the other problem is what happens when he wants 40 million dollars a year

50 million dollars a year? 

once a team pays a dude that much money they are committed to him until retirement 

The Johnsons would never give that type of control to anyone not named Curtis Martin

[HawkeyeJet]

I just had this discussion with my brother, a Bears fan, over the weekend.  I thought it was interesting.  He had been on Wilson forever as a Bears target when he thought the Bears might be picking in the early to mid teens.  3 months ago, I don't think anyone would have said it was unreasonable he'd last that long.

Anyway, he made this point to me, and it made me go hmm.  

When you look at the way Wilson is talked about in draft circles who does it remind you of?  Not who does he remind you of, or do does he compare to, just simply how he is talked about in "draft circles" who does the talk about him remind you of?  My brother mentioned two names.  Sam Darnold and Mitch Trubisky.  He means it from this standpoint, Wilson is a fast riser that is a relatively new name.  When people talk about Wilson, the vast majority the talk is about his positive traits.  He can do this he can do that etc.  That is how I recall it with Trubisky and Darnold as well, who were also relative fast risers.  People are projecting why they CAN be successful in NFL.

Then think about the way Fields is discussed, especially the past month or so.   It's not nearly as centered around what he CAN do(which is a lot), it's much more centered around what he can't do.  Whose draft discussion does that remind people of?

Why is that? Why is it that Wilson(and Lawrence for that matter) are projected by what they can do, but Fields is projected on what he can't do?

I definitely think this type of situation happens every draft at the QB position.  Where some guys negatives arent as amplified as others.  I just don't know if there is any correlation to anything, but it made me pause for a second.

[bitonti]

6 minutes ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

And putting no engine in makes it run not at all.

there's Sam which is like the original Escort engine. There's James Morgan another young mediocre option he's like one of those engines, that they hang on the chains, for the engine swaps?

ok i admit it i don't know jack squat about cars 

im much more comfortable with food 

Watson is like the Cherry on top of the sundae when you don't even have a bowl. You're just licking ice cream off the counter like an animal 

 

 

 

[kelly]

1 hour ago, jetswinbaby! said:

Is there any chance Fields falls to #23?

That would be a nice little bonus pick, don't you think?

he won't still be on the board at #23   ?

[Paradis]

29 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I just had this discussion with my brother, a Bears fan over the weekend.  I thought it was interesting.  He had been on Wilson forever as a Bears target when he thought the Bears might be picking in tbe early to mid teens.  3 months ago, I don't think anyone would have said it was unreasonable he'd last that long.

Anyway, he made this point to me, and it made me go hmm.  

When you look at the way Wilson is talked about, who does it remind you of?  Not who does he remind you of, or do does he compare to, just simply how he is talked about in "draft circles" who does the talk about him remind you of?  My brother mentioned two names.  Sam Darnold and Mitch Trubisky.  He means it from this standpoint, Wilson is a fast riser that is a relatively new name.  When people talk about Wilson, the vast majority the talk is about his positive traits.  He can do this he can do that etc.  That is how I recall it with Trubisky and Darnold as well, who were also relative fast risers.  People are projecting why they CAN be successful.

Then think about the way Fields is discussed, especially the past month or so.   It's not nearly as centered around what he CAN do(which is a lot), it's much more centered around what he can't do.  Whose draft discussion does that remind people of?

Why is that.  Why is it that Wilson(and Lawrence for that matter) are projected by what they can do, but Fields is projected on what he can't do?

I definitely think this type of situation happens every draft at the QB position.  Where some guys negatives arent as amplified as others.  I just don't know if there is any correlation to anything, but it made me pause for a second.

Spot on about what he CAN do vs the talk about what Fields CAN’T do... I’m not gonna touch that one other than to say people unconsciously create narratives to suite their preferred reality.

that, and Trubisky was pretty much drafted for his quick release. Coincidentally, the same trait people gush over with Wilson. I didn’t buy the MT hype then and struggling with Wilson now (though i'll admit flat out did NOT like MT...). 

[#27TheDominator]

20 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

He will be better in the nfl.  Yes.

Than Lawrence?  QFT.

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

16 minutes ago, bitonti said:

there's Sam which is like the original Escort engine.

Sam is like trying to get a tow from a windup cymbal monkey.

[Paradis]

26 minutes ago, kelly said:

he won't still be on the board at #23   ?

what would have to happen for you to reveal your true identity; Carl Whitsworth or what have you have from Vermont. Nay, not even last name. 

I'm considering paying a PI given how long you've kept up this charade. kind of become a bucket list thing now. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Jet Life said:

And made the playoffs twice in previous years with a playoff win 

In impressive comeback fashion, no less.  The stuff you look for out of a QB.  Not just numbers but coming through when it counts.

And I love how people just assume he's going to be the same QB forever, and that the QB he's been through 4 years is what we can expect forever here.  He isn't in his prime yet.  We've seen the likes of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees continue to get better and better over time, even into their mid-30s in this league.  Watson will be no exception.  

[NYJ1]

15 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Not sure what to think of Fields.  He looks so good at times and  not great at other times.  He is a big unknown in this draft.

And that's exactly why he is absolutely NOT worth the 2nd overall pick...

[win4ever]

8 hours ago, BCJet said:

Are you saying that Watson/Mayfiled/Herbert all played in similar offenses to what Fields is running?

It's not the same system, it's a very similar basis for progression reads in a spread offense.  The whole idea behind spread is to match numbers to numbers.  If you look at the basis of an RPO, it's to equal the numbers because in normal situations the QB isn't someone the defenses matches up with one on one.  Even in the old days, it was a spy, that doubled as a run defender.  With spread, they leave one guy completely unblocked (thus the numbers match up 10 vs 10) and have the QB read the defender.  That defender is basically blocked by the RPO. 

The same basic principle applies to reads, in that a post snap read is dictated by a single defender.  Most times this means it's a half field read, either keying in on a safety or line backer.   Watching the film, you'll rarely see guys go from left to right across the field, it'll most be center to sideline, or vice versa.  So for guys like Fields (or pretty much any good offense in college now), at the snap you are reading one guy, and that determines your read.  So if the read player (depends on what the offense calls) does something, the QB then reacts to it with his first progression.  Unfortunately, in spread offenses this means there are usually only 1 or 2 reads.   

I think a good example would Fields last long TD in the semi-final against Clemson.  If you watch the highlight, he throws a perfect deep pass to a receiver (I forgot who), that had one on one coverage, and the safety was shading the other way.  However, if you look at the play, Chris Olave comes wide open on the other side of the field, so it looks like Fields actually took the harder throw, and stared down his guy.  However, the timing of the play gives away the progression.  When the safety shades the other way, Fields' primary read because the one on one post route.  If that safety had slanted towards the outside receiver, then Fields' read goes to the other side.  In either instance, his read is only a half field read.  Once it's snapped, he's only looking to read either the left or the right side, and the safety determines which side.  The moment of decision for either route comes at the same time, so it wouldn't work if he would look left and then right because the timing would then be off.  

Same thing with Mayfield/Lawrence/Trask etc.  There are different wrinkles to the system that differentiate it, but the read progression base is similar.  For example, with Clemson, they run a tunnel screen/RB outlet option on most plays because that's the check down play.  They look to expand horizontally, and catch you in space, which is why a guy like Etienne catches passes and racks up YAC.  OSU on the other hand looks to expand vertically, which is why they push the ball down the field so much, but also why their running game tends to be so good.  

So for each of these guys, it'll be important to see how they translate with the read progressions, and each of their abilities to master that aspect will determine their success.   

[Jet Life]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

In impressive comeback fashion, no less.  The stuff you look for out of a QB.  Not just numbers but coming through when it counts.

And I love how people just assume he's going to be the same QB forever, and that the QB he's been through 4 years is what we can expect forever here.  He isn't in his prime yet.  We've seen the likes of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees continue to get better and better over time, even into their mid-30s in this league.  Watson will be no exception.  

And the year he won that playoff game the Texans were 26th in DVOA, lost Fuller for a lot of the season, had a bad OL, bad HC, and Carlos Hyde was the lead back. People who just forget the past and look at this one previous year when they were a total mess (and he still performed) are crazy.

[Grandy]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You almost have to feel bad for some of these personnel guys trying to figure out these QB evaluations now. It seems like they’ve been missing so hard the past five years or so and all the traditional variables have to be thrown out. I feel like I’d hire a Lincoln Riley type to come in for a weekend and consult on this group of QBs because clearly the existing QB scouting philosophies aren’t that useful anymore. 

It seems like what works the most currently is taking the guy with the most natural talent and upside.

The top 6 QB's drafted in the last 5 years are Watson, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Murray and Jackson. Only 1 of them was a top 5 pick because there were concerns about them being "raw" or a "system qb". 

Each one of those top guys has either:

A. Great mobility, 

B. An absolute cannon 

C. Both 

Even though I'm not sold on them yet, Fields and Lance fit the mold of those 6 guys the closest. The biggest factor in their success is drive/work ethic, and good coaching. The interview and possible workout process is going to be so essential if we don't solve our ? at QB with Watson. 

[jetsons]

Does anyone else want Justin Fields?

 

nope

[Jimmy 2 Times]

My preference is to trade for Watson if it doesn't cost our entire future.  Since I believe the cost for him will be too expensive my next preference is to trade down to the 5-9 range and take Fields.  Let him sit the year behind Sam.  If he's slipping so much we don't have to take him at 2.  Trade back, acquire more capitol, and take a chance on the kid.  

If Sam blows up in the new offense then we can franchise and trade one of the two. 

[Paradis]

42 minutes ago, win4ever said:

It's not the same system, it's a very similar basis for progression reads in a spread offense.  The whole idea behind spread is to match numbers to numbers.  If you look at the basis of an RPO, it's to equal the numbers because in normal situations the QB isn't someone the defenses matches up with one on one.  Even in the old days, it was a spy, that doubled as a run defender.  With spread, they leave one guy completely unblocked (thus the numbers match up 10 vs 10) and have the QB read the defender.  That defender is basically blocked by the RPO. 

The same basic principle applies to reads, in that a post snap read is dictated by a single defender.  Most times this means it's a half field read, either keying in on a safety or line backer.   Watching the film, you'll rarely see guys go from left to right across the field, it'll most be center to sideline, or vice versa.  So for guys like Fields (or pretty much any good offense in college now), at the snap you are reading one guy, and that determines your read.  So if the read player (depends on what the offense calls) does something, the QB then reacts to it with his first progression.  Unfortunately, in spread offenses this means there are usually only 1 or 2 reads.   

I think a good example would Fields last long TD in the semi-final against Clemson.  If you watch the highlight, he throws a perfect deep pass to a receiver (I forgot who), that had one on one coverage, and the safety was shading the other way.  However, if you look at the play, Chris Olave comes wide open on the other side of the field, so it looks like Fields actually took the harder throw, and stared down his guy.  However, the timing of the play gives away the progression.  When the safety shades the other way, Fields' primary read because the one on one post route.  If that safety had slanted towards the outside receiver, then Fields' read goes to the other side.  In either instance, his read is only a half field read.  Once it's snapped, he's only looking to read either the left or the right side, and the safety determines which side.  The moment of decision for either route comes at the same time, so it wouldn't work if he would look left and then right because the timing would then be off.  

Same thing with Mayfield/Lawrence/Trask etc.  There are different wrinkles to the system that differentiate it, but the read progression base is similar.  For example, with Clemson, they run a tunnel screen/RB outlet option on most plays because that's the check down play.  They look to expand horizontally, and catch you in space, which is why a guy like Etienne catches passes and racks up YAC.  OSU on the other hand looks to expand vertically, which is why they push the ball down the field so much, but also why their running game tends to be so good.  

So for each of these guys, it'll be important to see how they translate with the read progressions, and each of their abilities to master that aspect will determine their success.   

This man puts on a clinic and y’all treat it like birdsong. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Paradis said:

This man puts on a clinic and y’all treat it like birdsong. 

I read it and now I want to draft Trey Lance. #LanceHive

[Embrace the Suck]

2 hours ago, Paradis said:

Spot on about what he CAN do vs the talk about what Fields CAN’T do... I’m not gonna touch that one other than to say people unconsciously create narratives to suite their preferred reality.

I've heard quite a bit about Wilson's multiple injuries, slight frame, privileged upbringing, and lack of competition. Just as I've heard quite a bit about Fields' arm, tough frame, athleticism. Just saying...

[Paradis]

2 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

I've heard quite a bit about Wilson's multiple injuries, slight frame, privileged upbringing, and lack of competition. Just as I've heard quite a bit about Fields' arm, tough frame, athleticism. Just saying...

Then you’re a human bat ? and I love you for it. 

[cant wait]

3 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I just had this discussion with my brother, a Bears fan, over the weekend.  I thought it was interesting.  He had been on Wilson forever as a Bears target when he thought the Bears might be picking in the early to mid teens.  3 months ago, I don't think anyone would have said it was unreasonable he'd last that long.

Anyway, he made this point to me, and it made me go hmm.  

When you look at the way Wilson is talked about in draft circles who does it remind you of?  Not who does he remind you of, or do does he compare to, just simply how he is talked about in "draft circles" who does the talk about him remind you of?  My brother mentioned two names.  Sam Darnold and Mitch Trubisky.  He means it from this standpoint, Wilson is a fast riser that is a relatively new name.  When people talk about Wilson, the vast majority the talk is about his positive traits.  He can do this he can do that etc.  That is how I recall it with Trubisky and Darnold as well, who were also relative fast risers.  People are projecting why they CAN be successful in NFL.

Then think about the way Fields is discussed, especially the past month or so.   It's not nearly as centered around what he CAN do(which is a lot), it's much more centered around what he can't do.  Whose draft discussion does that remind people of?

Why is that? Why is it that Wilson(and Lawrence for that matter) are projected by what they can do, but Fields is projected on what he can't do?

I definitely think this type of situation happens every draft at the QB position.  Where some guys negatives arent as amplified as others.  I just don't know if there is any correlation to anything, but it made me pause for a second.

Darnold wasn’t a fast riser, he was a breakout freshman who made a name for himself with a great Rose Bowl. If anything he was the heralded prospect in that draft class who stumbled a bit his last year and Mayfield ended up as the top guy

[GodDamnSnack]

8 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

I think Fields SUCKS. Put me as number 1 on the list that would trade for Watson 1st, stick with Sammy 2nd, or draft Zach Wilson or anyone else BESIDES Fields at 2. He's totally overrated and a system QB.

You're completely wrong IMO. Fields has looked great against top competition. He'll have a better career than either Darnold or Wilson. Bookmark this if you need to.

[Jetscode1]

Personally, I'd like to see:

Move on from Darnold.  He's done here.  Stick a fork in him, he's done.

Draft Fields at #2.  FTR, I'm not a QB draft expert.  I liked Watson coming out but was meh on Mahomes.  With that said, I agree with the posters that suggest JD needs to have the sack to draft a QB if he and the scouts think one Fields or Wilson can hit jackpot.  I liked what Fields did against Clemson.  He looked spectacular.  He's not a flash in the pan and looks like the real deal.  Still no guarantee he hits, just have to trust the process, and hope JD can tell the difference.  

I'm not against the Watson trade, just don't think it happens for a multitude of reasons but ultimately I don't think JD can swindle Houston like he did Seattle.  I posted this draft profile earlier and still think it reads well weeks later.

Quote

Justin Fields QB Ohio St

by Drew Boylhart • December 17, 2020

STRENGTHS
Justin is a smooth, athletic quarterback who could play more than one position on your offense except that…playing quarterback is his natural position for the next level and his impact position. He has a high football IQ to go along with a strong arm with excellent accuracy, velocity, and touch to make all the throws for the next level. In spite of his athletic talents to makes plays out of the pocket with his legs, he just might be the best pocket passer out of this group of quarterbacks, and that is truly the skill strength that he brings for the team that selects him. Justin is one of the top quarterbacks in this draft class and just might be THE top quarterback in this class…at least on my board.

CONCERNS
Justin lacks maturity in his leadership skills and decision making at times, but he does have the skills. He also lacks the bulk to stand up to the pounding at the next level when he leaves the pocket and that’s why his talents to play from the pocket will allow for longevity at the next level.

BOTTOM LINE 1.43
What I like about Justin, is his ability to have an answer when adversity rears its ugly self. He is so smooth when he stays in the pocket and plays from the pocket in fact, his accuracy and decision-making is so much better than when he leaves the pocket and tries to play superman. Justin needs to understand that leaving the pocket for him might give him a first down and move the ball but it will not win him the game and his lack of bulk will be a detriment for his superman actions. His ability to play from the pocket at a higher level than most QB’s is what will win him more games than his ability to play like superman. Now, most in the media I suspect, are going to say that Justin is a perfect example of the New quarterback for the NFL but I’m going to tell you that his overall game for the NFL is not, running the ball or making plays leaving the pocket. His strength is playing from the pocket and he needs to learn to manipulate the pocket and use it to his advantage and not be so quick to leave it. When Justin does gain the skill of movement in the pocket, he could become the next Tom Brady or Matt Ryan, or Warren Moon or John Elway or Doug Williams. Notice I did not say Michael Vick or RGIII or Cam Newton. The truth is Justin someday, could be as good as Steve (Air) McNair or even, Aaron Rodgers…but he will never be as good as Superman and he should stop trying.

 

  

[win4ever]

This man puts on a clinic and y’all treat it like birdsong. 

After Mccagnan, I promised myself to not get involved in the draft. It was not healthy to get attached to prospects only to draft someone you didn't need. But with Douglas, I feel like they dragged me back in.

[Philc1]

12 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Than Lawrence?  QFT.

I didn’t say that

[Philc1]

10 hours ago, jetsons said:

Does anyone else want Justin Fields?

 

nope

Amazing how him sh tting himself against Alabama silenced his fan club

[maury77]

I actually had to be convinced on Mahomes.  I was very nervous about him potentially wanting to be a pitcher like his pops, the system and conference.  He was a hard evolution also because so much was off script.  It took watching almost every single snap to see that he just had unteachable magic in him that ultimately had me convinced and honestly, the more and more you look at the prospects lately who are having success, that's what is about.  Not the traditional old school way dying breed we see exiting the league, Brady being the anomaly.  Its the kids that have sh*t you cant teach matched with the right system who are the future of the league; Watson, Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Murray, Herbert.  And you see that influence as well with some of the vets who are playing really well later in their careers Rodgers, Tannehill, Wilson.  
I say all that to say, Fields fits that mold. He's an all world athlete with an Ivy league brain playing QB ie; stuff you cant teach.  He was the #2 prospect only behind Lawrence basically since his sophomore year of High School (#1 duel threat).  When he got his chance in college, he did not disappoint.  There is some very weird smear sh*t going on with him that I dont quite get.  The same sh*t happened to Watson.  Dude did everything and then some with that epic last second win vs. Bama and suddenly you had guys screaming he wasnt draft-able (wont tag Bit but yeah, he said that).  Not sure why but the same thing is happening now again with Fields.   
I havent watched nearly as much of Wilson and I'm not ready to give a definitive statement.  I've seen 3 games at full now, Bosie St., Coastal Carolina and UCF.  2 of the 3, he was lights out but it was easy, like not dirt on the jersey, easy.  In the driver seat, no adversity, cruise control. The other game, not so much and I saw a very different QB but similar to Fields, I'm not going to knock him for 1 bad performance.   So that said, I plan on looking at some other snap by snap film out there but there is some egregious stuff I really dont like that scares the sh*t out of me ie; pocket presence and his tendency to drift, how far away he plays for the LOS, his 1 game vs. a pass rush, etc.  I currently think it's absolutely nuts to think he's worthy of #2 overall but that's subject to change. 
To answer your question more directly, no.  I dont like Wilson any where near as much as I liked Watson/Mahomes.  But if I'm being honest with myself, I needed a lot less convincing on Fields then I did Mahomes at this point.  However, once you saw what Mahomes could do, no, I dont think Fields has that type of voodoo magic sh*t in his game.  The comparison I make of Fields is a taller more athletic Russell Wilson.
 

Watch the Zach Wilson taps vs Washington in 2019


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[Shockwave]

7 hours ago, win4ever said:

After Mccagnan, I promised myself to not get involved in the draft. It was not healthy to get attached to prospects only to draft someone you didn't need. But with Douglas, I feel like they dragged me back in.

 

Mac and the Bowles/Gase experience made me stop posting or looking at this site for several years. Not out of protest but just lack of interest. Like not eating when you're sick. Keep in mind I had been on JI/JN for prob a decade before that. 

Last season I casually followed from a far and then the draft happened. Douglas started making all these trades, collecting extra picks everywhere he could. Then The Adams thing. Then the way he let go of the bad contracts one by one. 

I looked at all these moves - and it just sucked me back in. He has a-lot to prove these next two offseasons but Douglas to this point is looking like the Becton or Quinnen Williams of GM's. All types of potential with top 5 upside. First GM we have ever had that I can say in certain situations - He is too smart to do certain things and clearly has a long term plan. 

 

[kelly]

16 hours ago, Paradis said:

what would have to happen for you to reveal your true identity; Carl Whitsworth or what have you have from Vermont. Nay, not even last name. 

I'm considering paying a PI given how long you've kept up this charade. kind of become a bucket list thing now. 

ooooh !  ?.. i feel the  Luv !   ?