T0mShane Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 No qualifiers. Simple yes or no prediction. Based on what you’ve seen, will we ever see a time when Darnold is a good NFL starting QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 By good I'm assuming you mean better than Blake Bortles but not Tom Brady? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBL7 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Yes and he'll be a very good one, if not great. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peebag Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 The question should be, "Will the New York Jets ever be a successful football franchise?" 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedBeardedSavage Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 If he goes to the 49ers the Jets will look like 'pie-faced c*cksuckers'. Yes, I've been rewatching Deadwood. 2 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I'm not entirely sure since we did him no favors in regards to the coaching he received and weapons we surrounded him with, but gun to my head he's hot trash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Yes but only if he goes to the 49ers. Anywhere else....eh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 If by 'good' you mean journeyman QB who can game manage a few wins with a ton of pieces around him like Garoppolo/Cousins/A. Smith then maybe if he's lucky and quits turning the ball over (<50%). If you mean a QB who makes his teammates better, then the answer to that is a resounding no. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Define 'good'. Top 5 QB? No. Top 12-14 QB? Maybe - in the absolutely perfect set of circumstances. I've seen a lot of Darnold play and it ain't all on the surrounding cast and coaching staff. He's got a lot of work to do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, peebag said: The question should be, "Will the New York Jets ever be a successful football franchise?" Drafting trash like Sam Darnold is a big reason why the Jets are never successful. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BROOKLYN JET Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 Darnold is already good, it's the Jets that stink. #GreenAnon 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Skeet Ulrich said: Define 'good'. Top 5 QB? No. Top 12-14 QB? Maybe - in the absolutely perfect set of circumstances. I've seen a lot of Darnold play and it ain't all on the surrounding cast and coaching staff. He's got a lot of work to do. If a guy needs perfect circumstances to be good, then he's not good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 he follows in Chadwick's footsteps to be 'comeback player of the year' but never cracks top 10 QB level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I voted no. He will never be good. His ceiling now is an average Starting QB and that is if he has a lot of talent around him. If the Jets keep him and build in the draft, that is the best they can hope for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 This is a tricky yes or no. No, I do not believe Sam will ever be a perennially good (or better) starting NFL QB. However, I could see him having a flash in the pan breakout season after getting a shot as a veteran backup (e.g. 1998 Vinny or 2015 Fitz). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 46 minutes ago, peebag said: The question should be, "Will the New York Jets ever be a successful football franchise?" that's next week's show which is being pre recorded this week if you wanted to talk about Sam Darnold, you should have called last week, when the show about the elderly was airing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 And if the answer is no, will it ever be his fault? 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, dbatesman said: And if the answer is no, will it ever be his fault? (also no) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbia Jet Fan Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said: Define 'good'. Top 5 QB? No. Top 12-14 QB? Maybe - in the absolutely perfect set of circumstances. I've seen a lot of Darnold play and it ain't all on the surrounding cast and coaching staff. He's got a lot of work to do. Exactly my thoughts as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 Has there ever, in the history of the league, been an example of a QB with 3 years of starting experiencing turning it around from bottom 3 in the league to suddenly a good QB? I cant think of a single example. Sam Darnold aint breaking that trend. Dudes a bust. 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 edit: double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Grandy Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Good QBs overcome their situations at least somewhat.... just look at what Murray, Watsom, Burrow, and Herbert came into. I think he can be decent if given good support, but if it ever breaks down I have no confidence in his play. People need to realize that hes probabaly not some babe in the woods diamond in the rough QB who is secretly super-duper good. He's most likely David Carr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just recently I was watching film on him to get a gauge of what he could do. I saw a lot of special intermediate throws, but I didnt see anything deep downfield at all. He's always been a bad deep ball thrower. Was really concerning to see because we've all seen his "wow" throws, but most of them are not pushing the ball downfield. They just look cool. I think the last time he's hit a guy in stride deep was Robby against the Cowboys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Grandy said: Good QBs overcome their situations at least somewhat.... just look at what Murray, Watson, Burrow, and Herbert came into. All of those players stepped into better situations than Sam has a had here for three years running. The only two non-quarterback players on this offense that are safe bets to be on this team through next offseason are Becton and Mims... two players that were rookies last year. I just don't see how anyone would've succeeded here. And I haven't even mentioned coaching yet. I get it if you want to move on. But I mean, the Jets 'development' of Darnold has been historic in its incompetence. We've got no idea what this kid can do with even a mediocre team/coaching staff around him. And he's not even 24 yet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, JiF said: Has there ever, in the history of the league, been an example of a QB with 3 years of starting experiencing turning it around from bottom 3 in the league to suddenly a good QB? I cant think of a single example. Sam Darnold aint breaking that trend. Dudes a bust. maybe Jim Plunkett and Rich Gannon can't think of much else Edit Terry Bradshaw was pretty terrible early on as well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Smashmouth said: maybe Jim Plunkett and Rich Gannon can't think of much else Edit Terry Bradshaw was pretty terrible early on as well Troy Aikman. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: maybe Jim Plunkett and Rich Gannon can't think of much else Edit Terry Bradshaw was pretty terrible early on as well Cool, so 2 guy back in the 70's and 1 guy from the 90's. lol I'll take the odds. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, RedBeardedSavage said: Troy Aikman. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00.htm The Aikman comparison doesn't work that well because of the third year. The third year is the key year. You typically have to be at least decent by your third year. Aikman wasn't anything special in year 3, but he was decent. Meanwhile, Darnold was awful and clearly worse than the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Troy Aikman. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00.htm His stats were never that good compared to today’s game. Never more than 3500 yards passing and 20 + td’s only once. Td/int ratio bad many years. Hard to compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, JiF said: Cool, so 2 guy back in the 70's and 1 guy from the 90's. lol I'll take the odds. 10 minutes ago, slimjasi said: The Aikman comparison doesn't work that well because of the third year. The third year is the key year. You typically have to be at least decent by your third year. Aikman wasn't anything special in year 3, but he was decent. Meanwhile, Darnold was awful and clearly worse than the year before. I can't remember a quarterback with an inferior situation around them then Darnold last year. Hell, he had a weak crew of talent/coaches around him the year before... and then we subtracted Robby Anderson and four of our top five receivers were hurt to start the season. I mean, pardon my francais, but WTF did you think was gonna happen? This thread comes down to - do you think this situation has been historically bad? Seems like, from the Dianna Russini quote, most of the NFL sees it that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: No qualifiers. Simple yes or no prediction. Based on what you’ve seen, will we ever see a time when Darnold is a good NFL starting QB? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I predict he will be better than the guy we draft this year I would like watson if not keep sam and get a stud wr a stud rb and improve the line(sam with the right tools can be good but not great) we will end up drafting the next Haskins with our second pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 It's amazing we won the amount of games we did with him. He is not even qualified to hold the ball for the kicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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