Zach Wilson Pro Day

[maury77]

1 minute ago, CTM said:

You really think they would draft him without having him run at a private workout ?

Seems like a silly thing to obsess over at this point

No private workouts this year due to Covid. 

[maury77]

13 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

Well, the way you structured with the periods and what you said a few posts before about how people are going nuts because they disagree with you. 

I liked you better in the Usual Suspects

[CTM]

2 minutes ago, maury77 said:

No private workouts this year due to Covid. 

What!

Ridiculous 

I stand corrected though. sh*tty year to have a high pick.

I'd trade down 

[Matt39]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

You do realize how lame it is to complain that Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen can make that throw.  3 of the best passers in the NFL.  Wow, that sucks

I agree but I think most NFL QBs can make that throw. I thought the adjectives being used yesterday didn’t really align with what he was doing. 

[Barkus]

30 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Jesus f*cking christ some of you are dense. Let me put it in kindergarten terms for you.

The.problem.isn't.that.he.put.on.weight.per.se.its.that.we.don't.know.how.athletic.he.is.because.he.didn't.test.because.he.skipped.testing.probably.because.he.wasn't.as.fast.or.couldn't.jump.as.high.as.normal.due.to.the.added.weight.and.if.you.believe.the.hamstring.excuse.then.i.have.a.bridge.to.sell.you. 

I understand those drills measure athletic ability but those are not as important in a qb. He has a strong arm, can throw on the run, is accurate to all levels of the field, and from what I’ve read is a student of the game. 
 

He is going to be the Jets pick. Let’s hope it works out. I don’t think he will be worse than Darnold and I think he will be much better.

[rayzor]

8 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I agree but I think most NFL QBs can make that throw. I thought the adjectives being used yesterday didn’t really align with what he was doing. 

They definitely over heaped praise on some throws but so did Orlovsky and Simms.  Figured the ex QBs would know best.

[MysticalJet2]

I just don't get all the crazy gushing about the pro day.  Ok he has a strong arm, but this whole thing was choreographed for weeks (months?) before the pro day.  It was toss and catch and that's it. I had to stop watching because the announcers were making me sick on how they gush over him.  And when he made an errant throw, it was someone else's fault.  There is a whole bunch more data to go on from real games.

This doesn't mean I think he is not a good player worth #2... just saying lets come back to earth a bit.

[maury77]

I understand those drills measure athletic ability but those are not as important in a qb. He has a strong arm, can throw on the run, is accurate to all levels of the field, and from what I’ve read is a student of the game. 
 
He is going to be the Jets pick. Let’s hope it works out. I don’t think he will be worse than Darnold and I think he will be much better.

I agree that they aren’t as important for a QB, but if one of the positives about a player is that he is athletic, I’d like to see how athletic he is. If I’m looking at Peyton Manning coming out, I could care less about his 40 because that’s not his game.


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[adobolo2]

4 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said:

I just don't get all the crazy gushing about the pro day.  Ok he has a strong arm, but this whole thing was choreographed for weeks (months?) before the pro day.  It was toss and catch and that's it. I had to stop watching because the announcers were making me sick on how they gush over him.  And when he made an errant throw, it was someone else's fault.  There is a whole bunch more data to go on from real games.

This doesn't mean I think he is not a good player worth #2... just saying lets come back to earth a bit.

And what about all the clapping and cheering from his family and friends everytime he made a 5 yard pass, that really took the biscuit.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

Such over analysis on QB’s. Surround a QB who has  the necessary physical tools to play, with talent, get a coach who knows how to setup a QB to succeed, and most QBs will perform well. Put poor talent or a sh*t coach with any non HOF QB and they will look bad. It’s really that simple. 

[freestater]

26 minutes ago, Maxman said:

I have a spreadsheet of projected post counts by QB.

Five year analysis says Zach is the guy.

The one month post count return on Mac Jones is tempting though.

 

Kyle Trask would break this place. 

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

Darnold didn’t have deep ball accuracy in college either. Wilson threw more passes into tight coverage than any other QB in the draft.

Not at his Pro day which was my point. 

[Shockwave]

17 hours ago, maury77 said:

So I wanted to actually watch the pro day before posting in this thread. 

Good 

Wilson made some breathtaking throws. The pass down field while running left was a great throw. 

Good accuracy. I charted 46 out of 60 throws being accurate (this doesn't mean 46 of 60 throws were completed, I gave him credit for accurate throws that were dropped and knocked him for catches with bad ball placement). 

Bad

I know he weighed in at 214 today, but it looks like it was bad weight. I saw him catching his breath on a couple of occasions. I think the line about tweaking his hamstring to not do any athletic testing was BS (he certainly didn't seem to be limping during any of his throws). I think his team knew the added weight would would negatively affect his testing, so they made up the hamstring BS. 

Some of the responses to this post were really funny. I really thought this was a great and fair post. Literally went through 15 pages in this thread for fair feedback on how his Pro Day was going as I was unable to watch. Btw how great was that weather yesterday?

The best reads on the site are when Fields Fans give a fair take on Wilson or vice versa. 

Also in reading this site for the past month or so its so crazy that fans are so polarized on Wilson vs Fields and there seems to be a very high chance that perhaps the best offensive mind in the NFL (Kyle Shanahan) may have just traded a crazy amount of assets for Lance/Mac who none of us have really talked about much. 

I watched the Pro Day and I was a-little disappointed. That throw he made when moving to his left only a few NFL QB's make. A few of his deep throws I think would be Elite in the NFL. But When you have a month to work on the same routine I would expect more accuracy on many of these throws. Also his mechanics concern me big time.  To me its like watching Josh Donaldson's swing. Some of those throws he's literally throwing with no feet on the ground. How can someone be consistently accurate with so many moving parts? I think the only person I have seen do it is Mahomes. So what happens when he throws interceptions in the NFL. Does he become more hesitant to take deep chances downfield? Bc that is essentially why we are drafting him. 

Im absolutely fine if we take Zach but I am personally really hoping we trade down with the Panthers. There really is a chance the Panthers Panic after yesterday. I think those moves trades screwed them and there is a chance they get no QB this year. With Watsons situation I feel like that Front office is going to be looking at their board today and thinking they need to be talking to the Jets. 

We match up really well with them. We have the cap space to take on Bridgewater's contract if we need to. We can include Crowder if they want to replace Samuel in the slot.

Lastly when you look at the board Atlanta likely wont trade for them as it's the same division. Cincy is not passing on Sewell. Miami traded to 6 for a reason. Then Detroit is a threat to take a QB if one falls  or could possibly trade back to Denver/NE so its a real threat that there not getting any QB this year. If there is ever a team desperate to trade up it will be them. Hoping a deal gets done with them. There should be alot of smoke with them and the Jets the next 2 weeks. 

Joe Douglas is not a guy thats going to pass on a overwhelming offer. I think the trades yesterday put the Panthers in a position where they kind of need to make that type of offer. On The Jets side the Miami trade yesterday should really hit people hard that the Bills and Dolphins are going to be problems for a long time. Add in The Pats and this could be the toughest division in Football soon. Zach Wilson is not going to solve this. Take the draft picks and build this team.

[NamathToCaster]

We won't know until live game action but draft Zack Wilson,  keep Darnold and let Darnold start the season with decent coaching and receivers that are now in place and let Sam prove he is the real deal that all of you claim he is and when he goes 0 and 4 then bench him and let's put an end to the Darnold is not being handled correctly talk.

[Dunnie]

We won't know until live game action but draft Zack Wilson,  keep Darnold and let Darnold start the season with decent coaching and receivers that are now in place and let Sam prove he is the real deal that all of you  claim he is and when he goes 0 and 4 then bench him and let's put an end to the Darnold is not being handled correctly talk.

Hell I'd give Darnold until 2-8 ... no need to rush the golden arm of Wilson during the first real year of the rebuild.

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[Big_Slick]

13 hours ago, choon328 said:

So bc you guys assumed he was lighter than what he weighed in you're making assumptions that he gained an unhealthy 8 lbs over the past 3 months lol. You guys are acting like he weighed 205 last week and ate nothing but Big Macs for the past week to gain weight. Isnt it possible he gained 8 lbs of muscle in the past 3 months??? Maybe you all were just wrong. What's next, he was wearing heal lifts to boost his height? So ridiculous

If he gained 8 lbs of muscle n the past 3 months he must have been a bean pole before that. He's built more like a swimmer than a football player.

[Dunnie]

If he gained 8 lbs of muscle n the past 3 months he must have been a bean pole before that. He's built more like a swimmer than a football player.

If a swimmer wins with consistency I'll take it .... not like hes playing LB or RB.

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[Big_Slick]

3 hours ago, Dinamite said:

Can you see the niners flipping with jets? They didn't trade any of their picks this year and may have current players the jets want too.

I'd take the '49's 2nd round pick this year to slide down one spot to #3 OA.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

3 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

I'd take the '49's 2nd round pick this year to slide down one spot to #3 OA.

I like fields more than Wilson, so I would trade with them. But I think you can do better than this and still get fields.  If other teams want Wilson you should be able to get a haul to move back and still get fields. 

[Big_Slick]

2 hours ago, adobolo2 said:

Why was Zack wearing a watch? It kind of annoyed me and didn't look right but I'm a different generation and probably don't understand the kids today.

It was probably filled with lead to add to his weigh in total. ?

[Big_Slick]

2 hours ago, NYDreamer said:

The best case scenario is if the Falcons who sit at 4 want to jump in front of 49ers to take the second best QB and the Jets still get in front of Miami and Cincy to take Sewell or Pitts while also acquiring future draft capital.

Please let this happen. Sewell and addition draft picks is the best case scenario.

[Big_Slick]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

When say things like his hammy issues were made up, he wasnt even limping, well then you dont know what youre talking about, you dont have to be limping with a sore hammy.  Then theres the nonsense about his weight being responsible for breathing a bit heavy after firing off 60 passes one after another.  That was comical to be nice

He was breathing hard after 15 minutes of playing catch. Whether it was a fake hamstring injury or the added weight he should have been in better shape.

[HighPitch]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Zach wilson is going to be the next great Jets bust qb

He won't get a second contract here 

 

[jetsrule1969]

16 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

Please let this happen. Sewell and addition draft picks is the best case scenario.

Yea let's pass on a potential franchise QB for a LT when we already have a LT. Brilliant! Thank God Joe is in charge.

[choon328]

34 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

If he gained 8 lbs of muscle n the past 3 months he must have been a bean pole before that. He's built more like a swimmer than a football player.

8 lbs of muscle is nothing in 3 months. The most important thing for QBs is shoulder strength,  lower body strength and hip fluidity. The idea that a QB needs to have a bulky upper body is ridiculous and not the way QBs are taught to weight train. Too much upper body mass is not good.

[FTL Jet Fan]

Whats with the chewing gum during his Pro day workout?

 

[kdels62]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

What about Calvin Johnson and Suh 

The 2 pick should be an athletic freak 

Not someone who is only OK 

 

So like RGIII

[choon328]

It is very clear that 90% of you don't know what scouts, gms and coaches are looking for at a pro day. They want to see arm strength, accuracy,  dexterity, fluidity, how they interact with the WRs before and after the play. How they interact with the coach leading the pro day. Are they having fun or are they too intense. Arm motion,  their eyes,  hip movement in the pocket. Anticipating WR breaks. All of these things the scouts, gms and coaches know the answer to prior to the pro day.  They just want to see it in person to confirm it. The Jets have already spoken to him multiple times over zoom, they already did board work with him over zoom. They've already talked to everybody he knows, all of his ex coaches and a lot of his teammates to find out about his character.  All of this has been done well before the pro day. His pro day was a homerun and confirmed everything that was already seen on tape all year. He will be the pick at 2 for the Jets. 

The height issue for a QB in the nfl is no longer an issue. He could be 5'10" and it would matter very little. That issue was put to bed years ago with Russell Wilson. The "weight" issue, if there is one, will be addressed and solved once he gets into an NFL weight training program. 

[Big_Slick]

2 hours ago, TheMo said:

As the resident string bean Indian guy on this forum I will say that when you’re skinny it is easy to add bad weight as you bulk. I drank a gallon of whole milk a day in addition to eating my regular diet. Put on muscle and fat. Didn’t do cardio and would huff and puff but I put on weight. Either way I find it concerning that he didn’t run. Equally concerning is people who tell me to just take him at his word that he ran 4.6. Trust but verify is the name of the game as an anesthesiologist. I look at these dudes the same way. 

If Zack was able to run a 4.6 at yesterdays pro day you can bet your last dollar he would have run.

[Dunnie]

If Zack was able to run a 4.6 at yesterdays pro day you can bet your last dollar he would have run.

Remind me again ... what was Tom Brady's 40 time ?

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[joewilly12]

17 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Whats with the chewing gum during his Pro day workout?

 

Soon to be an endorsement . 

[56mehl56]

17 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

My guy, he dropped it right in the bread basket 50+ yards to the opposite side of the field off balance. In what world is that pass a pick 6 in a real game? In your scenario do you have a safety double covering and flying over the front of the receiver to snatch that pass from his hands. That’s right in his guy’s pocket bro.
 

Easy completion & insanely hard pass.

I'm not saying Wilson's arm isn't potentially something special , but the guy was throwing w/o shoulder pads and w/o a pass rush. A lot of QB's can throw the ball 50+ yards in those conditions , hell just watch the kids in the Punt , Pass & Kick competitions.  

[56mehl56]

23 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Whats with the chewing gum during his Pro day workout?

 

Did he swallow it , that's a throwback to the Jet Insider days, where a kid thought he was gonna die because he swallowed gum. 

[Savage69]

13 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Remind me again ... what was Tom Brady's 40 time ?

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If your a Wilson hater you nit pick him to death like chewing gum?? Ohio state pro day is Tuesday lets see what Fields can do..

[joewilly12]

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