Meet The New Boss....Same As The Old Boss

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

I just turned 47 last week and can easily say that I've been a Jets fan since I was 5, My dad, born on Long Island and raised in Caldwell, NJ, is a lifelong Jets fan and corrupted me as a kid. Growing up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I was the odd man out in a land saturated with Packers fans and I was never afraid to stand up to my decision.

I've supported this team through some thick but mostly thin for decades and in my pre-kid prime, I didn't miss a chance to catch the closest away game to Michigan I could find. Despite my annual pessimism once showcased in great detail on this site, I've continued to stick it out. 

I've been a believer in Saleh since the hire. I like him as a coach, I like him as a person, and with his deep roots in Metro Detroit and Northern Michigan University, I've loved having a hometown guy as our coach. The 0-3 start doesn't kill that ....I still think there's a great coach there...

.....but it's getting to the point where year in and year out, watching this garbage every single year, different coaches, different GMs, different QBs.......I just don't care anymore. I'm almost to the point where I want to burn what little Jets gear I have left and move on. In my lifetime I've watch Mount Rushmore of once incompetent teams win Super Bowls. I've watched a QB with seven Super Bowl wins, lose more Super Bowls than the the Jets have Division titles in their entire history.

It's beyond bad luck. It's beyond a bad run. Apathy has long since set in with this franchise but it's getting to the point of not caring anymore that I'm almost ready to move on. Not to a "new team" for the sake of picking a winner.....but moving on to having no team. Just watching pro football for the sake of watching pro football, and leaving my high heartrate for Saturdays when my Wolverines can't beat Ohio State for decades. 

I commend all of you who continue to pay your PSLs, season tickets, parking passes and tailgate week in and out. The comradery that comes with that cannot be beat and I've been fortunate to expereince it a few times.....it makes the garbage on the field worth it. But from 638 miles away, it's hard to have anything to look forward to with this team. I'm not quitting just yet...I don't want to quit....but damn if I'm not close.

I simply think there is no one, or no one thing, that can fix this team and the generations of incompetence. I still like to think Saleh and Zach can be that change....but like everything else with this team it's hard to even me 5% optimistic. I'm just about done. 

[kevinc855]

I hear ya.....

I spent some time living around the country. I remember getting up at 6 am to watch football in Hawaii. I remember living in TN and making trips to Jet road games in Indy and Nashville. Anything to watch a jet game! Take time off work etc

Now im back on the east coast and pay money on gas tolls etc and drive for hours to Metlife. Yet again, after all the hype, complete unwatchable football. I hate losing, but man i take a 24-20 loss where we are in it till the end. These games get out of hand QUICK and loses its viewability by the 2nd QTR. You have this feeling the Jets "are never in it" 

I'm not quitting either, but this last decade has been a rough rough ride. We have nothing, not one playoff trip or something to hold onto like previous decades. I like Saleh as well, but im concerned the swagger/ego may be a little much. We will see. JD hasnt exactly helped him with the roster, and Laflour is only 34 and seems in way over his head. Topple that with a rookie QB and you are in trouble. 

Im going to view the games more as bonding time with family, because its getting harder and harder to be a fan of this team. 

[fltflo]

It’s not easy being green, says the fan of 55 years. Running out of time


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[T0mShane]

22 minutes ago, The Gun Of Bavaria said:

I still like to think Saleh and Zach can be that change....but like everything else with this team it's hard to even me 5% optimistic. I'm just about done. 

Excellent post. I was going to try to take the year off because I had this feeling this summer that Saleh was going to be a mush, but I didn’t want to sh*t on anyone else’s optimism (as is my niche). Like a fool, I felt a little optimistic a few weeks ago and got a little bit invested. Now I’m invested only to see how bad it can get.

[southparkcpa]

The JETS are owned and run  by non accomplished men.  We were fools to think any thing else. The 2 years that REX brought us some relevancy really fooled us but in the end, it was all fools gold.

Think about it... Woody and Chris probably never even received a W2 other than from the Jets.

They have no decision making process that would have been built in a business setting.

I have almost NO HOPE and the one piece of satisfaction I get is that it now should be clear that Woody & Co have NO IDEA how to hire and properly run any real organization. There is no hiding their stupidity.

Oh... I'm enjoying watching PATS mediocrity too.

 

 

[playtowinthegame]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Now I’m invested only to see how bad it can get.

TakeFlight

[dbatesman]

I can’t lie, this is about as low as I’ve felt as a fan (~25 years). Our GM, head coach, and offensive coordinator all have impeccable pedigrees, and yet none seems to know his ass from a hole in the ground. Our QB is lost, again, and our previous lost QB is 3-0 and playing the best football of his career. We suffered through last year’s horrorshow, and we’re not improved. We’re not even getting a dead cat bounce. We actually look worse. And under it all is the soul-killing knowledge that this is how it’s going to be for a couple more years at least. Even if we get the first overall pick, we’re not firing the GM or coach and we’re not taking a QB. It’s the crushing knowledge that the last three games were just the start of yet another long, pointless stretch of uncompetitive, unwatchable football, after which we’ll finally, belatedly fire everybody (though almost certainly not all at once) and do this all over again. Just inutterbly ******* bleak.

[kevinc855]

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

. Like a fool, I felt a little optimistic a few weeks ago and got a little bit invested.

You aren't a fool. This was the most excited I see the fan base in a while. The JETS PR department did an excellent job. 

We in the end, all got conned. I don't think people were expecting a 10-7 team but not what they are putting on the field right now, which is basically 0 difference from the 2020 Gase team. 

[BroadwayBen]

19 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I can’t lie, this is about as low as I’ve felt as a fan (~25 years). Our GM, head coach, and offensive coordinator all have impeccable pedigrees, and yet none seems to know his ass from a hole in the ground. Our QB is lost, again, and our previous lost QB is 3-0 and playing the best football of his career. We suffered through last year’s horrorshow, and we’re not improved. We’re not even getting a dead cat bounce. We actually look worse. And under it all is the soul-killing knowledge that this is how it’s going to be for a couple more years at least. Even if we get the first overall pick, we’re not firing the GM or coach and we’re not taking a QB. It’s the crushing knowledge that the last three games were just the start of yet another long, pointless stretch of uncompetitive, unwatchable football, after which we’ll finally, belatedly fire everybody (though almost certainly not all at once) and do this all over again. Just inutterbly ******* bleak.

Could not have said this any better myself. 

[Gangrene]

I was never enthusiastic about Joe Douglas, his early free agent moves, his later free agent moves, his drafting... he could right the ship in a year...possibly...or never.

Drafting a rookie qb, even one as talented as ZW was always going to mean we would be bottom  feeders for another year. I think the fan base wasn't given the truth as to how the season would likely unfold; this was obvious to anyone watching football for a few decades. If they wanted Darnold gone along with Gase, and draft a rookie, this paper thin team roster, even with a veteran qb was going to suck for at least another year.

Douglas seems to be a stubborn gambler. He was convinced, despite all indications otherwise, that on the good O line he could turn Van Roten into a serviceable lineman. Van Roten is smart, articulate but not a good NFL lineman.

Douglas and Saleh should have gone the Mangini route in the pre season telling the fans,

 "It's a process"

"Manage your expectations", might have been a helpful mantra to the fans in the preseason.

I think La Fleur deserves a season to grow, to make mistakes.  I think Zach Wilson deserves a season of interceptions to grow. The kid will be a star, he's bright, he's physically talented but patience and oline protection is needed. Saleh is going to be fine if he is given the players.

 

Douglas I am not convinced about, he needs to show some progress on roster development by year end. 

[BP]

I was expecting to see red bolded fonts when I opened this. Lol

 

this season is like a yearly recurring nightmare to me. I keep telling myself every year “don’t get too excited, I’ll believe it when I see it” and every year it’s the same sh*t. You look at how quickly the 49ers turned it around twice in the last ten years and ask why can’t the Jets just do it once.

 

im getting too old for this sh*t

[y2k8]

1 hour ago, The Gun Of Bavaria said:

I just turned 47 last week and can easily say that I've been a Jets fan since I was 5, My dad, born on Long Island and raised in Caldwell, NJ, is a lifelong Jets fan and corrupted me as a kid. Growing up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I was the odd man out in a land saturated with Packers fans and I was never afraid to stand up to my decision.

I've supported this team through some thick but mostly thin for decades and in my pre-kid prime, I didn't miss a chance to catch the closest away game to Michigan I could find. Despite my annual pessimism once showcased in great detail on this site, I've continued to stick it out. 

I've been a believer in Saleh since the hire. I like him as a coach, I like him as a person, and with his deep roots in Metro Detroit and Northern Michigan University, I've loved having a hometown guy as our coach. The 0-3 start doesn't kill that ....I still think there's a great coach there...

.....but it's getting to the point where year in and year out, watching this garbage every single year, different coaches, different GMs, different QBs.......I just don't care anymore. I'm almost to the point where I want to burn what little Jets gear I have left and move on. In my lifetime I've watch Mount Rushmore of once incompetent teams win Super Bowls. I've watched a QB with seven Super Bowl wins, lose more Super Bowls than the the Jets have Division titles in their entire history.

It's beyond bad luck. It's beyond a bad run. Apathy has long since set in with this franchise but it's getting to the point of not caring anymore that I'm almost ready to move on. Not to a "new team" for the sake of picking a winner.....but moving on to having no team. Just watching pro football for the sake of watching pro football, and leaving my high heartrate for Saturdays when my Wolverines can't beat Ohio State for decades. 

I commend all of you who continue to pay your PSLs, season tickets, parking passes and tailgate week in and out. The comradery that comes with that cannot be beat and I've been fortunate to expereince it a few times.....it makes the garbage on the field worth it. But from 638 miles away, it's hard to have anything to look forward to with this team. I'm not quitting just yet...I don't want to quit....but damn if I'm not close.

I simply think there is no one, or no one thing, that can fix this team and the generations of incompetence. I still like to think Saleh and Zach can be that change....but like everything else with this team it's hard to even me 5% optimistic. I'm just about done. 

Well said. Agree 100 percent.

I had a similar rant last night, but it wasn't a rant really. No emotion. No anger.

Just acceptance. 

Different players. Different coaches. Same result.

It would be one thing if the Jets were just a bad team. But it's so much worse than that.

They are boring.

At a certain point in the 3rd quarter we just left the tv on Red Zone and didn't bother switching back.

No one objected.

 

[bostonmajet]

I suggested keeping Sam for a year and building the team around him and then, next year or the year after draft the QB. I was jumped on. The QB is all that matters; we won't have a chance again; Sam sucks. I had hoped to trade #2 for 2 or 3 more 1's and we were off to the races. Then many on the board was - we don't want to want 2 or 3 more years, we want it now. Rinse, repeat... 

Now we are getting the 

1. sit Zack for the year - what is the point in that? we loose a year of rookie deal and he doesn't get experience; in this league in the present, you don't draft a QB at #2 and sit him. If you don't want to play him this year, we shouldn't have drafted him

2. We never should have traded Sam; Sam on this team would be as bad as Zack (or close). The difference is that we would use up a year of Sam's deal, not the new QB and you don't care (from a football perspective) if you ruin Sam.

3. JD lied to us and never told us it was going to be that bad; Really? Anybody who was thinking this team would be competitive this year, especially in the first 4-8 games was smoking something - and the least you could do is share it with the rest of us who have to watch this team sober.

4. Now after 3 games people are like JD and Saleh are 'officially' on the clock - Again, I ask, how do we make things officially? The season has gone the way most people thought it would; now those who saw us play well in preseason are like 'we were cheated - I thought this team would be winning' - Rookie HC, OC, and QB.

I have been a Jets fan since i was 6 as my father was a fan. I am now almost 58. Once we hired Saleh and drafted Zack, I knew the next 2 or 3 years were going to be hard. This is what a rebuild feels like - we didn't really do it before. Mac tried to rebuild and win - result - we are still carrying dead money from those players. Not sure what JD was thinking last year - other than supporting what Gase wanted.

Now we hate JD because he won't blow a ton of money on 2-3 year vets; Guys who loved Gase, you know who you are, and wanted QBs like Leinart, you now who you are, are all over Saleh (after 3 games), etc. I am NOT happy with the lock of offense; the drops, etc. I wish they would just play Mims (who half of the board thought was a wasted pick); I wish the offense was less predictable too. But, once we decided to draft Zack, rebuild, and hire a rookie HC, this is how it was going to be; ride with it or wait until next year (or year after). 

It seems that many on this site would rather root for failure to prove that JD sucks or Saleh sucks, or LeCrap sucks (I think that one is true), but I would rather root for the team even though it is a lost cause this year. Hopefully we play much better at the end of the season - not sure if it is going to translate into wins, however.

Go JETS.

[greenwichjetfan]

27 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I can’t lie, this is about as low as I’ve felt as a fan (~25 years). Our GM, head coach, and offensive coordinator all have impeccable pedigrees, and yet none seems to know his ass from a hole in the ground. Our QB is lost, again, and our previous lost QB is 3-0 and playing the best football of his career. We suffered through last year’s horrorshow, and we’re not improved. We’re not even getting a dead cat bounce. We actually look worse. And under it all is the soul-killing knowledge that this is how it’s going to be for a couple more years at least. Even if we get the first overall pick, we’re not firing the GM or coach and we’re not taking a QB. It’s the crushing knowledge that the last three games were just the start of yet another long, pointless stretch of uncompetitive, unwatchable football, after which we’ll finally, belatedly fire everybody (though almost certainly not all at once) and do this all over again. Just inutterbly ******* bleak.

The hiring of Adam Gase was the turning point for me. Till then I always considered myself one of the optimists in a dead sea of self-loathing and pessimism. 

We had the best QB prospect we've had in my lifetime, a GM that finally looked the part with a great pedigree, and an opening at HC, OC, and DC. We proceeded to hire one of the worst candidates available who spend his two years here cementing his legacy as one of the worst coaches ever, and ruined any chance Darnold had at success here. 

When we drafted Darnold, I remember@The Crusher deftly noting that it won't matter how good Darnold is because this organization will ruin him anyway. In my naivete, I remember thinking that it must suck to have so many years of Jets failures under one's belt that they can't even allow for a shred of optimism.

I bring that up because the day we hired Adam Gase, I finally understood what Crush was talking about. Since then, nothing has surprised me. GM comes in with great pedigree, but here, his drafts have left much to be desired, Zach Wilson comes in being compared to peak Mahomes, but to date hasn't even managed to look like the Mahomes that got crushed in the SB 8 months ago. HC, OC, DC all come in as first choices and the young promise of coaching to where the game is going, yet here we are going backwards. The common denominator? All of them receive paychecks from the NYJ.

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

23 minutes ago, BP said:

I was expecting to see red bolded fonts when I opened this. Lol

 

this season is like a yearly recurring nightmare to me. I keep telling myself every year “don’t get too excited, I’ll believe it when I see it” and every year it’s the same sh*t. You look at how quickly the 49ers turned it around twice in the last ten years and ask why can’t the Jets just do it once.

 

im getting too old for this sh*t

LOL!!!! That tells you everything you need to know right there. NO RED BOLD ALL CAPS FONT!!!!!!

[Wit]

This team was taken down to the studs (irony intended) and now we are shocked that it looks like a team taken down to the studs.

the only thing I’m upset about is how awful we are treating Zach. Fire lafluer, sit Zach and trade for Foles. 

[Matt39]

Worst stretch of Jets football since I became a fan 91ish?? And it hasn’t exactly been ever great. Hard to believe it’s this bad. The Johnsons need to be relegated by the league.

[BP]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Worst stretch of Jets football since I became a fan 91ish?? And it hasn’t exactly been ever great. Hard to believe it’s this bad. The Johnsons need to be relegated by the league.

That’s what happened to Steinbrenner in the early 90’s and allowed stick Michael to build their dynasty. We can only hope both those idiots have high cholesterol 

[OilfieldJet]

Been a fan since 1967. I've had too many friends and known too many posters who have passed away without any validation from this franchise. It's pretty depressing.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, BP said:

That’s what happened to Steinbrenner in the early 90’s and allowed stick Michael to build their dynasty. We can only hope both those idiots have high cholesterol 

At least with the Browns 18 year stretch of no playoffs they had the excuse of being an expansion team.

[BP]

Just now, Matt39 said:

At least with the Browns 18 year stretch of no playoffs they had the excuse of being an expansion team.

Yeah, but The browns were the ravens before the new browns though. Two Super Bowls. I don’t know which is worse

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

9 minutes ago, Wit said:

This team was taken down to the studs (irony intended) and now we are shocked that it looks like a team taken down to the studs.

the only thing I’m upset about is how awful we are treating Zach. Fire lafluer, sit Zach and trade for Foles. 

Very fair assessment on all fronts. You have to wonder that if Zach had a veteran presence with him at the QB position it would help with his maturing process. Hard to argue it wouldn't. 

[Wit]

4 minutes ago, The Gun Of Bavaria said:

Very fair assessment on all fronts. You have to wonder that if Zach had a veteran presence with him at the QB position it would help with his maturing process. Hard to argue it wouldn't. 

At first I was thinking that he would be so good that having a QB controversy would be detrimental…. Now I see it as a mercy. If the kid struggles let him sit for a few drives snd recollect himself and see the game. He never even went to NFL.

[The Crusher]

29 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

The hiring of Adam Gase was the turning point for me. Till then I always considered myself one of the optimists in a dead sea of self-loathing and pessimism. 

We had the best QB prospect we've had in my lifetime, a GM that finally looked the part with a great pedigree, and an opening at HC, OC, and DC. We proceeded to hire one of the worst candidates available who spend his two years here cementing his legacy as one of the worst coaches ever, and ruined any chance Darnold had at success here. 

When we drafted Darnold, I remember@The Crusher deftly noting that it won't matter how good Darnold is because this organization will ruin him anyway. In my naivete, I remember thinking that it must suck to have so many years of Jets failures under one's belt that they can't even allow for a shred of optimism.

I bring that up because the day we hired Adam Gase, I finally understood what Crush was talking about. Since then, nothing has surprised me. GM comes in with great pedigree, but here, his drafts have left much to be desired, Zach Wilson comes in being compared to peak Mahomes, but to date hasn't even managed to look like the Mahomes that got crushed in the SB 8 months ago. HC, OC, DC all come in as first choices and the young promise of coaching to where the game is going, yet here we are going backwards. The common denominator? All of them receive paychecks from the NYJ.

I'm sorry? I was actually pretty optimistic Sam would be good and wanted the Jets to draft him and then after they did... well you know the rest.  If it helps, I'm really looking forward to eventually being wrong about this nut kick of a football franchise. Gonna be awhile, gulp.

[greenwichjetfan]

6 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I'm sorry? I was actually pretty optimistic Sam would be good and wanted the Jets to draft him and then after they did... well you know the rest.  If it helps, I'm really looking forward to eventually being wrong about this nut kick of a football franchise. Gonna be awhile, gulp.

Lol. I know you were excited about Sam. But I remember one thread particularly where you were talking about how excited you were for him while simultaneously stating that it probably won't matter because: Jets. 

It took me the Sam experience to realize you were correct, but I am right there with you now. I also look forward to the day we'll be wrong about this sh*thole franchise.

[Ken Schroy]

It's been way too long for me as well. I watched Namath, then got stuck with Charley Winner and Lou Holtz. Things were good for little while under Walt Michaels but this is bad. Gase was terrible and I'm glad he's gone but this is not an NFL offense right now. The lack of talent on this team overall is scary bad. As I said in a post yesterday, there isn't 1 player on this team that would start on another team. Maybe Mosley, but thats it. I am just about ready to check out myself, which I hate to do.

[#27TheDominator]

Even in this little world of overreactions this place is overreacting something fierce.

[peebag]

Eh....same old Jets.

[JoJoTownsell1]

I tend to like JD, Saleh and Lafleur and will give them a chance (mainly because we have no choise), but all 3 are unproven at their current jobs. It's not like we brought in Sean Mcvay and can say "well, we've seen him do this exact same job well". 

We are 3 games in and there is no difference between this team and the Macc/Idzik and Bowles/Gase teams. In fact, I would argue things look worse. 

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Even in this little world of overreactions this place is overreacting something fierce.

I hear what you're saying and I'm 100% with you. Not calling for anyone's head on a platter, benching or anything else. It's just hard to watch this year in and year out. I'm praying this is the rough patch before the turnaround, but man it get hard to watch.

[munchmemory]

[Origen]

Watching Roethlisberger's career come to an end makes me wonder what life would have been like if we had Chad as QB this entire time.  And Chad still had the arm he had when throwing bombs to Randy Moss all day.  Effing Jets...

[#27TheDominator]

5 minutes ago, The Gun Of Bavaria said:

I hear what you're saying and I'm 100% with you. Not calling for anyone's head on a platter, benching or anything else. It's just hard to watch this year in and year out. I'm praying this is the rough patch before the turnaround, but man it get hard to watch.

Absolutely.  There just seem to be too many people that think they know better than the coaches at every turn.   Sometimes they do, but you can't just do what the fans want and when you flip out over every media quip it really is counterproductive, even from a fan standpoint.  At some point, most of these guys loved the Saleh hire and Douglas.  If you liked them before, they deserve a chance now. 

There is a thread on here calling for Van Roten to be cut for saying that WIlson should get the ball out sooner.  The whole thing was taken out of context with him saying that it starts up front and they all have to do a better job and he was only saying WIlson had to get the ball out sooner so that he doesn't get killed.   

[Biggs]

3 hours ago, OilfieldJet said:

Been a fan since 1967. I've had too many friends and known too many posters who have passed away without any validation from this franchise. It's pretty depressing.

Validation is an allusion.  It's the journey.  Winning and lossing don't really change much.  It's the people sitting next to you on the journey...  

[SAR I]

56 minutes ago, Origen said:

Watching Roethlisberger's career come to an end makes me wonder what life would have been like if we had Chad as QB this entire time.  And Chad still had the arm he had when throwing bombs to Randy Moss all day.  Effing Jets...

Jesus Christ, Mark Sanchez ran circles around Chad Pennington.  

Looking at the last four rookies we dragged into Florham park since he got kicked to the curb, you should appreciate Mark Sanchez a hell of a lot more than you do.

SAR I