McNeil Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 that's based on Zach and the coaching staff IMO. I think both have enough pieces to work with to do some damage this season. But for all the positivity surrounding the Jets right now - I have this nagging concern about our coaching staff. Their emphasis on culture ... I don't know. It's just - is Saleh and his CS ruthless enough to get the job done? Are they wedded to their systems? Or are they ruthless enough? Ruthless enough to change each game plan as necessary, going against what's familiar and thus comfortable? We'll find out soon enough. If the Jets don't come out of the gate with a competent, mistake-free, spirited performance Week 1 - no bueno. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 That imo would be a good bet to take, 6 wins are not out of the question at all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Suoerbowl MVP Joe Flacco = at least 9 wins. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Jeff Ulbrich is who we need to be concerned about… 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Saleh is kind of a clown but I think he is showing he can learn. He’s going lighter in practice and I think it’s a common mistake for unproven HCs to come in and “set a tone “ and a bunch of guys get hurt or have no legs on game day. LaFluer is promising, creative but also still learning. Kind of shocking when he spoke about an off season autopsy where they realized they have Zach a too large play book. Yikes. I thought they was obvious very early. culture matters. Players police the locker room and every new GM or HC a always mentions changing the culture. The jets have a miserable culture. its also a very tough schedule. I’d bet the over but it’s not off by more than 2 games 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, McNeil said: that's based on Zach and the coaching staff IMO. I think both have enough pieces to work with to do some damage this season. But for all the positivity surrounding the Jets right now - I have this nagging concern about our coaching staff. Their emphasis on culture ... I don't know. It's just - is Saleh and his CS ruthless enough to get the job done? Are they wedded to their systems? Or are they ruthless enough? Ruthless enough to change each game plan as necessary, going against what's familiar and thus comfortable? We'll find out soon enough. If the Jets don't come out of the gate with a competent, mistake-free, spirited performance Week 1 - no bueno. The entire league is sloppy week one. The Jets will be no different, especially with at least six new starters - a couple of them rookies. Coaching staff is a huge question. Last year the staff was all in teaching mode, for the whole season. The emphasis and intensity has to be different this year. There needs to be a shift from, “doing your job,” to, “winning the game.” They have to learn how to close out games. I understand that Saleh wants to be/appear more level-headed in the head coach role than he was as a coordinator, but I think he needs to embrace some of that emotion this year going forward if he’s going to succeed, too. I’m not worried about them being married to anything system-wise. They demonstrated a lot of flexibility and creativity in their rookie season, I only expect that to improve. Especially with the talent upgrades at RB, TE, CB, and Edge. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 Probably just based on the fact that the Jets have sucked for the better part of a decade and have rarely won more than 5.5 games during that time. The public expects the Jets to lose a lot. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: That imo would be a good bet to take, 6 wins are not out of the question at all. I would agree. if they don’t get to 6, there are bigger issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Probably just based on the fact that the Jets have sucked for the better part of a decade and have rarely won more than 5.5 games during that time. The public expects the Jets to lose a lot. Pretty much, this. Until we change the narrative by winning games, folks expect us to lose. At some point, we have to start winning, right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Larz said: Kind of shocking when he spoke about an off season autopsy where they realized they have Zach a too large play book. Yikes. I thought they was obvious very early. Definitely doesn’t inspire confidence when an offensive coordinator in the NFL needs an off season to realize what us duffers spotted during the season. Yes, he can learn and grow but I prefer to hire people who are already qualified to perform their duties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 What was the Bengals # this time last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: Probably just based on the fact that the Jets have sucked for the better part of a decade and have rarely won more than 5.5 games during that time. The public expects the Jets to lose a lot. This no reason getting bent out of shape about this stuff. it will be fun when this team turns it around, and if they never do, we’ll all die eventually and not care anymore anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, slimjasi said: it will be fun when this team turns it around, and if they never do, we’ll all die eventually and not care anymore anyway. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 41 minutes ago, slimjasi said: This no reason getting bent out of shape about this stuff. it will be fun when this team turns it around, and if they never do, we’ll all die eventually and not care anymore anyway. And thank God for that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: This no reason getting bent out of shape about this stuff. it will be fun when this team turns it around, and if they never do, we’ll all die eventually and not care anymore anyway. Which reminds me 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Normstansfield Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 They really meant to say 15.5 wins. was uh typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 On 7/3/2022 at 4:58 AM, Rhg1084 said: If a regular schlub who looked like that got that close to someone who looked like her the police would be called. Ah, fame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 When we get a new QB, it's going to click. Old Joe Flacco proved that. Reality............................................... it stings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, Fantasy Island said: When we get a new QB, it's going to click. Old Joe Flacco proved that. Reality............................................... it stings. Minshew can still probably be had for a 5th rounder. WHY THE HELL NOT? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, jgb said: Minshew can still probably be had for a 5th rounder. WHY THE HELL NOT? OMG yes, he is a baller!!! I like his Moxie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, Fantasy Island said: OMG yes, he is a baller!!! I like his Moxie His machismo might damage our QB’s confidence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, jgb said: His machismo might damage our QB’s confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Bet the over. But not by much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 This is one of those bets where you think Vegas is being soooooooo stupid so you bet the over and then they hit the under the last game of the season by like a point. Don't **** with Vegas man. Just don't. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 5 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: This is one of those bets where you think Vegas is being soooooooo stupid so you bet the over and then they hit the under the last game of the season by like a point. Don't **** with Vegas man. Just don't. This is one of those bets where you think Vegas is being soooooooo stupid so you bet the under and then they hit the over the last game of the season by like a point. Don't **** with Vegas man. Just don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 7 hours ago, Warfish said: Bet the over. But not by much. The line seems well-placed currently. I wouldn’t touch it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 10:58 PM, Rhg1084 said: And in the tail pipe too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I think this has more to do with who the jets play from weeks 1-11. Outside of a deshaun watsonless browns team, find me a game where we won’t be at least 2 score underdogs? The schedule looks really rough and this team is coming off a bad season. Things change fast in the NFL but this is a preseason o/u so we’re also looking at the teams we play based on how they look on paper. I don’t think the 5.5 o/u is that far off at this point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I really care less what the pros think- we have to go out and show them we have turned it around though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 It's almost like Vegas knows what it's doing...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 The concept of this thread is ridiculous. Vegas lines have basically no predictive value. They are simply the point at which they can get roughly equal money on both sides. That's how they guarantee profit. So the bettors themselves determine the line and it is just folly to think that the majority of bettors are any better at analysis of NFL teams, players and seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, johnnysd said: The concept of this thread is ridiculous. Vegas lines have basically no predictive value. They are simply the point at which they can get roughly equal money on both sides. That's how they guarantee profit. So the bettors themselves determine the line and it is just folly to think that the majority of bettors are any better at analysis of NFL teams, players and seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, johnnysd said: The concept of this thread is ridiculous. Vegas lines have basically no predictive value. They are simply the point at which they can get roughly equal money on both sides. That's how they guarantee profit. So the bettors themselves determine the line and it is just folly to think that the majority of bettors are any better at analysis of NFL teams, players and seasons. while this is true of UFC main events and Super Bowls the season over unders are notorious sucker bets and are designed to attract homer over action, as much as possible I think it was @jgb who mentioned this the other day, if you add up all the season win totals for all 32 teams it's more wins than is technically possible. They have a real number from their models and they add 0.5 or 1 or 1.5 to that number and they are inviting fans to make long-term, low information bets based on what they hope happens. it also doesn't account for Ties aka the green spot on the roulette wheel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: while this is true of UFC main events and Super Bowls the season over unders are notorious sucker bets and are designed to attract homer over action, as much as possible I think it was @jgb who mentioned this the other day, if you add up all the season win totals for all 32 teams it's more wins than is technically possible. They have a real number from their models and they add 0.5 or 1 or 1.5 to that number and they are inviting fans to make long-term, low information bets based on what they hope happens. Yes because they understand the money will flow this way because homers gonna homer. The smart bet (if there is such a thing in O/Us in early summer) is to take unders of teams that will fall short if your team overachieves. But there a lot of psychological satisfaction for betting “on your team,” a pleasure that you must pay an additional vig for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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