Zach starting Sunday (merged)

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, Larz said:

he had his best week of practice this week.  

By my count, this would mark Zach Wilson’s 72nd “best week of practice.” How come you never hear about good quarterbacks having “the best week of practice”?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

8 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Like I mentioned  Before it’s not a popularity contest.  Wilson is obviously and young players figuring it out.  I think some are still holding that press conference against him which I think got twisted anyway.  Wilson did apologize to everyone and they came out and said they gained a a lot respect for him “their words not mine”.  If Wilson plays well and we win he is playing no ifs ands or buts about it. If he fails then that’s that and we get our final answer on him.  I mean I love Garrett Wilson but he doesn’t run the goddamn team 

A “leader” doesn’t answer “No. No.” after the NE game.

It’s as simple as that.

you’re gonna put that on me and say it’s unfair?

You cannot be serious.  That’s laughable.

Every talking head in the country was bashing Wilson for the lack of accountability and for being devoid of leadership.

Sounds like you’re the one with the “agenda”

[Augustiniak]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’d really be a Jets Thing to lose out with Zach Wilson starting, finish sub-.500, and go into an off-season with no QB and no realistic means of finding one. Lots of pressure on the Jets these four games and lots of pressure on Zach Wilson. Today a peacock, tomorrow a feather duster. 

Is that what you think will fix Zach Wilson and mend the fences in the locker room? An apology and not crying to the press when he got demoted to #3?

I think it’s better in the long run, for the jets to see if wilson can step up his game under these perfect pressure conditions, than to hide him and play white and go into next season with a wait and see approach.  There are big decisions to be made with white, and his value to the jets can skyrocket if wilson craps out the next 2 games.  Wilson does not need to be perfect, he does not need to be a savior, he just needs to execute the offense efficiently and get the ball to the playmakers.  If he has learned anything these past 3 weeks it’s that hero ball will usually lose.  I’m excited to see it all play out. If he fails and the jets don’t make the playoffs, white’s retention becomes a priority and they’ll hang onto wilson unless there’s a compelling offer. What wilson needs to do is not worry about how he’s perceived or how much he’s liked, just go out there and throw short darts to the playmakers.  Winning heals a lot.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Lafleur better call teh good plays for him for once 

[Jets723]

8 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

A “leader” doesn’t answer “No. No.” after the NE game.

It’s as simple as that.

I mean you’re gonna put that on me and say it’s unfair?

You cannot be serious.  That’s laughable.

Every talking head in the country was bashing Wilson for the lack of accountability and for being devoid of leadership.

Sounds like you’re the one with the “agenda”

What a ridiculous post.  Go back and look at my posts.  I called out Wilson after the press Conference.  I AGREED with Saleh’s decision to let Zach sit and watch for awhile.  I supported Mike White.  I think the whole White supporters vs Wilson supporters nonsense is so utterly stupid that I had to take a break from here.  I’m a Jet fan first and foremost.  I dont give a goddamn who the QB is as long as we win.  I support whoever is starting hell even if Streveler got the nod.  If you want to make it a hanging offense because of the press conference that’s fine but he did make it right with his teammates.  Outside of curing cancer what else do you want him to do?  If he plays well and we win I doubt they will be complaining 

[Jets723]

6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

I think it’s better in the long run, for the jets to see if wilson can step up his game under these perfect pressure conditions, than to hide him and play white and go into next season with a wait and see approach.  There are big decisions to be made with white, and his value to the jets can skyrocket if wilson craps out the next 2 games.  Wilson does not need to be perfect, he does not need to be a savior, he just needs to execute the offense efficiently and get the ball to the playmakers.  If he has learning anything these past 3 weeks it’s that hero ball will usually lose.  I’m excited to see it all play out. If he fails and the jets don’t make the playoffs, white’s retention becomes a priority and they’ll hang onto wilson unless there’s a compelling offer. What wilson needs to do is not worry about how he’s perceived or how much he’s liked, just go out there and throw short darts to the playmakers.  Winning heals a lot.

Great Post!

[FidelioJet]

6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

 Winning heals a lot.

You would think this would be the case - but if you''ve been around here lately you must know that not to be true.

 

[Jets723]

5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

You would think this would be the case - but if you''ve been around here lately you must know that not to be true.

 

Sad but true 

[Larz]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

By my count, this would mark Zach Wilson’s 72nd “best week of practice.” How come you never hear about good quarterbacks having “the best week of practice”?

Because you just made that up lol 

[Trotter]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I haven’t seen one yet. Can’t believe no one got a microphone in front of Garrett Wilson

That tells us everything we need to know

[JetsMetsRangers]

35 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

A “leader” doesn’t answer “No. No.” after the NE game.

It’s as simple as that.

you’re gonna put that on me and say it’s unfair?

You cannot be serious.  That’s laughable.

Every talking head in the country was bashing Wilson for the lack of accountability and for being devoid of leadership.

Sounds like you’re the one with the “agenda”

Not to mention crying about the wind, are you kidding me!.......Mr.  "Arm Talent" cannot handle the wind and whines about it while the weak armed Mac Jones throws for 250 in the same conditions......Real leadership material there.....

 

[TNJet]

39 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

By my count, this would mark Zach Wilson’s 72nd “best week of practice.” How come you never hear about good quarterbacks having “the best week of practice”?

Because competent QBs like MW don't need to have a great practice week to make a few measly completions on game day haha

[TNJet]

3 minutes ago, JetsMetsRangers said:

Not to mention crying about the wind, are you kidding me!.......Mr.  "Arm Talent" cannot handle the wind and whines about it while the weak armed Mac Jones throws for 250 in the same conditions......Real leadership material there.....

 

His arm talent is actually his weakness. Throws too high because of his arm talent. He waits too late to make a read feeling like he can fit it all in tiny windows with rocket balls. Ends badly with late passes, tipped ball ints and knuckle balls in the dirt. He just needs to throw on time and deliver a softer catchable ball.

Edited December 17, 2022 by TNJet

[TNJet]

50 minutes ago, jgb said:

Lafleur better call teh good plays for him for once 

What? You don't like the WR screens behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 9?

[Rangers9]

I went to a BYU home game in Nov and it was non stop long pass plays 4 bombs for TDS just in the first half. So that’s the offensive culture Zach is coming from big pass plays and a lot of them. But the current NFL game isn’t there the openings are in the short to medium pass game. So he’ll have to adapt. I’m not sure he can’t or needs months to retool. If they have to color code the offense that worked for Mark Sanchez initially. I don’t think such a bad thing for Zach to be confident. If it rubs some of his teammates the wrong way ok. Some of them are prima donnas too. The bottom line he has to run the offense and execute the game plan and follow the script of the CS. 

[Maynard13]

On 12/16/2022 at 10:39 AM, Joe W. Namath said:

Good grief........................

Hey don’t be stealing @Charlie Brown trademark.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Jets723 said:

Exactly.  Not sure why so much venom toward the kid but that’s our fanbase I guess ? 

So you haven’t been paying much attention all season, eh.

Also he’s not a “kid”.  He’s 23 and in his 2nd season playing pro football. 

[56mehl56]

1 hour ago, JetsMetsRangers said:

Not to mention crying about the wind, are you kidding me!.......Mr.  "Arm Talent" cannot handle the wind and whines about it while the weak armed Mac Jones throws for 250 in the same conditions......Real leadership material there.....

 

Yeah Mac Jones was firing the ball all over the field that day ? , I think his longest completed throw was like 13 yards downfield , they had some bigger gains with YAC due to the Pats picks and holding which they get away with regularly.  He put up 0 pts like Zach and the only NE score was on the Punt Return.  So stop reading boxscores  and relying solely on stats to boost your narrative. The conditions that day were bad , to his credit Jones did complete a large % of his passes but of the short variety , this falls on the Jets D for not adapting. 

[kevinc855]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

I went to a BYU home game in Nov and it was non stop long pass plays 5 bombs for TDS just in the first half. So that’s the offensive culture Zach is coming from big pass plays and a lot of them. But the current NFL game isn’t there the openings are in the short to medium pass game. So he’ll have to adapt. I’m not sure he can’t or needs months to retool. If they have to color code the offense that worked for Mark Sanchez initially. I don’t think such a bad thing for Zach to be confident. If it rubs some of his teammates the wrong way ok. Some of them are prima donnas too. The bottom line he has to run the offense and execute the game plan and follow the script of the CS. 

JD should have taken this into account if the idea was to start him day 1. The front office and coaching staff failed this kid from the start. Zach also can’t escape blame since some of his decisions are just selfish and go beyond coaxing. 
 

A Jets disaster all around 

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

some of his decisions are just selfish

Would love to hear an example of Zach Wilson being "selfish"?

[56mehl56]

1 hour ago, TNJet said:

His arm talent is actually his weakness. Throws too high because of his arm talent. He waits too late to make a read feeling like he can fit it all in tiny windows with rocket balls. Ends badly with late passes, tipped ball ints and knuckle balls in the dirt. He just needs to throw on time and deliver a softer catchable ball.

I somewhat agree with this , Zachs issue is not arm talent ,he's just not trusting his reads and hesitates which gets everything out of synch. Its why MW has looked better in this offense, because he does get rid of the ball quicker and usually more decisively. Zach has to stop over thinking and just play . He'll get his share of bad throws and int's just like MW especially if the 1st read is taken away, but Zach does have the ability to make every throw and stretch field and his mobility is so much better than MW.  Those giving up on ZW are doing it way too soon.  His flaws are fixable and can be overcome. 

[GangGreened]

Kid is going to get eviscerated by the home crowd if he plays poorly. And deservedly so. Time to step up or GTFO.

[Jets723]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So you haven’t been paying much attention all season, eh.

Also he’s not a “kid”.  He’s 23 and in his 2nd season playing pro football. 

[Maynard13]

On 12/16/2022 at 10:41 AM, SuicidalSince98 said:

This is purely politics, complete bullsh*t 

Knock it off with the Bullsh@t. Zach is now Obi won kinobe. Right now, he’s our only hope. Flacco is like old man river without a paddle. You go back to Zach since he gives the team the best chance to win. Saleh should activate Streveler as the back up just to be safe. So give it a rest. No need to keep jumping down the kid’s back. And his teammates better cut the bullsh@t too. This is a playoff game and we must win this game. All JetNation needs to get behind this effort. 

[kevinc855]

3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Would love to hear an example of Zach Wilson being "selfish"?

Do you want me to pull out the tape of his ridiculous bust out of the pocket when there is no need to make some off platform Throw that goes to the other team or for incomplete 

[TheClashFan]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

I went to a BYU home game in Nov and it was non stop long pass plays 5 bombs for TDS just in the first half. So that’s the offensive culture Zach is coming from big pass plays and a lot of them. But the current NFL game isn’t there the openings are in the short to medium pass game. So he’ll have to adapt. I’m not sure he can’t or needs months to retool. If they have to color code the offense that worked for Mark Sanchez initially. I don’t think such a bad thing for Zach to be confident. If it rubs some of his teammates the wrong way ok. Some of them are prima donnas too. The bottom line he has to run the offense and execute the game plan and follow the script of the CS. 

Seems like the model for ZW to try to emulate would be Brett Favre....the gunslinger.  Run around and throw bombs.  ZW's already got the run around stuff down, for better or worse.

Just don't send any dickpicks to his MILFs...

If they want to run lots of swing passes and stuff, then MW is the guy.  Just install some cyborg parts in him to keep him on the field. 

 

[FidelioJet]

Just now, kevinc855 said:

Do you want me to pull out the tape of his ridiculous bust out of the pocket when there is no need to make some off platform Throw that goes to the other team or for incomplete 

And you believe is poor play is selfish?

That's a very strange take - but if you're equating bad decisions to being selfish, I guess you could say that....but then you also must acknowledge that you could say that about any player to ever play, any game.  Ever.

[Jets723]

4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Would love to hear an example of Zach Wilson being "selfish"?

True but don’t get your hopes up for anything factual ?.  Again this whole Wilson vs White garbage has become insane.  Both are Jets so you would think both would get support no matter who is in the starter role.  Doesn’t mean you can’t critique either one but there is no relevance or evidence to support selfishness 

[Maynard13]

11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So you haven’t been paying much attention all season, eh.

Also he’s not a “kid”.  He’s 23 and in his 2nd season playing pro football. 

Uhhh 23. Lol hardly an adult. Yea kids at that age go to war, have kids etc etc but men really don’t mature until they about 30. Until then, men think they’re immortal. It’s a strange phenomena in their makeup. So no, he is not ‘fully developed’, not by a long-shot. He’s obviously going through growing pains and was humbled through humiliation by Saleh which was probably his greatest move as HC of the Jets. Some people are late bloomers.  Nothing wrong with that. 

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

Uhhh 23. Lol hardly an adult. Yea kids at that age go to war, have kids etc etc but men really don’t mature until they about 30. Until then, men think they’re immortal. It’s a strange phenomena in their makeup. So no, he is not ‘fully developed’, not by a long-shot. He’s obviously going through growing pains and was humbled through humiliation by Saleh which was probably his greatest move as HC of the Jets. Some people are late bloomers.  Nothing wrong with that. 

I get all that.  And yes, the prefrontal cortex (decision-making center) isn’t developed in humans until about the age of 25.

But you don’t draft a “late bloomer” with the # 2 overall pick.  And you also don’t make constant excuses about his age when he sucks at the profession he’s getting paid $30M to play.  

Perhaps that’s unfair, but no one is promised fairness in this life.  

[Jets723]

8 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

And you believe is poor play is selfish?

That's a very strange take - but if you're equating bad decisions to being selfish, I guess you could say that....but then you also must acknowledge that you could say that about any player to ever play, any game.  Ever.

Exactly.  If you want to critique his play then go right ahead it’s understandable. But these posts that have been coming out since the announcement have been beyond his play on the field.  It’s more personal and a lot of anger /venom toward the kid 

[Jets723]

6 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

Uhhh 23. Lol hardly an adult. Yea kids at that age go to war, have kids etc etc but men really don’t mature until they about 30. Until then, men think they’re immortal. It’s a strange phenomena in their makeup. So no, he is not ‘fully developed’, not by a long-shot. He’s obviously going through growing pains and was humbled through humiliation by Saleh which was probably his greatest move as HC of the Jets. Some people are late bloomers.  Nothing wrong with that. 

Very True.  

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

Exactly.  If you want to critique his play then go right ahead it’s understandable. But these posts that have been coming out since the announcement have been beyond his play on the field.  It’s more personal and a lot of anger /venom toward the kid 

Agreed.

I actually haven't seen a whole to of people discussing anything positive about Zach's play - but the attacks come anyway.

I'm defiantly concerned with how he's going to play Sunday.   Hopefully we get the Pittsburg, Miami, Buffalo Zach to have any shot, and not the Pats, Denever Zach. -  If we see anything along the lines of what we saw against the Pats - Jets have no chance.

But as you said, for some reason many Jet fans seemingly have a person vendetta against the kid.  Like he beat their family or something.  Otherwise smart posters are literally making sh*t up about him personally just to attack. 

It's really bizarre.  As a fan I've never seen anything like this.

 

 

[TBJ]

4 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Great story, except jets were -1 at Caesarrs before the switch went to +1 immediately after and are now back to -1..

So the line is the same with white and Wilson. I guess that tells you there isn't a difference between the two..... 

 

5 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Yeah but that’s only because Zach isn’t very good, at all. 

As Jets face a potential franchise-changing QB decision, Zach Wilson may be getting his final shot

https://sports.yahoo.com/as-jets-face-a-potential-franchise-changing-qb-decision-zach-wilson-may-be-getting-his-final-shot-030425888.html

[Jets723]

3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Agreed.

I actually haven't seen a whole to of people discussing anything positive about Zach's play - but the attacks come anyway.

I'm defiantly concerned with how he's going to play Sunday.   Hopefully we get the Pittsburg, Miami, Buffalo Zach to have any shot, and not the Pats, Denever Zach. -  If we see anything along the lines of what we saw against the Pats - Jets have no chance.

But as you said, for some reason many Jet fans seemingly have a person vendetta against the kid.  Like he beat their family or something.  Otherwise smart posters are literally making sh*t up about him personally just to attack. 

It's really bizarre.  As a fan I've never seen anything like this.

 

 

It’s very strange.  Even with the struggles of Sanchez, Geno, and Darnold I’ve never seen this level of hostility toward a player