HOLD FIRM, WOODY

[playtowinthegame]

Jets have plenty of leverage in stare-down with the Packers over Rodgers

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/17/jets-have-plenty-of-leverage-in-stare-down-with-packers-over-aaron-rodgers/

A debate has been raging over the past two days regarding whether the Packers or the Jets (or both, or neither) have the better of the leverage when it comes to the Aaron Rodgers stalemate. The Jets have more than many realize.

While they won’t at this point credibly pivot to a Plan B and turn their backs on trading for Rodgers, what’s the hurry to get a deal done? If the Packers want to wait until the draft to finalize things, so be it.

Rodgers doesn’t need to be present for the early weeks of the offseason program. He’d probably prefer not to. This gives him the perfect excuse — he’s not on the team yet.

He already knows the offense, given that his former coordinator in Green Bay will simply dust it off and install it. The challenge isn’t to teach it to Rodgers but to the rest of the team.

So if Green Bay’s play is to slow play this thing, the Jets should say, “Fine. We’ll wait until the draft. Hell, we’ll wait until after the draft. We’ll even wait until after June 1, so that you’ll be able to spread the cap charge over two years.”

If Rodgers is willing to gather his future teammates for a get-acquainted session or two of pitch-and-catch, nothing stops them from doing it. Rodgers knows new Jets receiver Allen Lazard, and Lazard can get the rest of the skill-position players lined up to coincidentally be at a field not far from wherever Rodgers wants it to be.

It actually helps the Jets for the Packers to wait, since that could serve only to make Rodgers more focused, determined, and motivated to have the kind of season that makes the Packers regret not sitting back and letting him retire — if he was truly 90 percent down that path until he concluded that the Packers had changed their tune about wanting him back.

Waiting until after the draft also allows the Jets to fashion a trade package for 2024 based on the team’s success, or otherwise, in 2023. A conditional pick for 2024, a conditional pick for 2025. And if the pick in 2024 ends up being a first-rounder, it likely will end up being lower than this year’s No. 13 overall selection.

Yes, the Packers currently want New York’s first-round pick for the upcoming draft. What will the Packers do if the Jets hold firm? Unless and until Rodgers retires or is traded, the Packers are on the hook for nearly $60 million to Rodgers in 2023. Will the Packers eventually tell Rodgers they expect him to show up for training camp if a trade isn’t done?

Put simply, how big of a distraction are they willing to let their desire to hijack the Jets become?

That’s the question the Jets should be willing to force the Packers to answer.

So hold firm, Woody. Don’t blink. Bide your time. Show the Packers you’re not desperate. If you wait just long enough, it’s the Packers who may be.

[freestater]

"Firm"

[Adoni Beast]

Oh…its not…sorry the heading got me excited. 
 

(zips up)

[playtowinthegame]

I agree with everything Florio said. RELAX Jets fans. Those in the media saying the Packers have the leverage are like Baghdad Bob pushing Packers propaganda.

[TommyT]

2 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

 

So hold firm, Woody.

 

[Matt39]

7 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I agree with everything Florio said. 

 

[32EBoozer]

19 minutes ago, freestater said:

"Firm"

For Woody, that requires Viagra!

[dbatesman]

dp

[LIJetsFan]

I hope this is the thinking at One Jets Drive.  I'd love to keep all our draft capital this year.  We have holes to fill.

If the deal actually falls thru I just wonder what rabbit JD will pull out of his hat QB wise.  Sadly the one thing JD is not good at is QB evaluation.  Stay tuned...     ...and Go Jets!  

[dbatesman]

43 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

HOLD FIRM WOODY

 

[Rangers9]

I agree Jets have the leverage GB desperately doesn't want to pay AR that 60 mil for 2023. So if anyone is desperate it's them not us. 

[Joe W. Namath]

Post UK Woody has been a godsend.  We are lucky to have him as our owner.

[neckdemon]

6 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

I hope this is the thinking at One Jets Drive.  I'd love to keep all our draft capital this year.  We have holes to fill.

If the deal actually falls thru I just wonder what rabbit JD will pull out of his hat QB wise.  Sadly the one thing JD is not good at is QB evaluation.  Stay tuned...     ...and Go Jets!  

if the deal doesn't happen for one reason or another we are ****ed and will be starting zach wilson most likely. it will be even worse if thew reaosn the deal doesn't happen is because in the midst of this staredown another team swoops in and offers enough and rodgers is willing to play there...then he goes on to a championship game or super bowl. and we are stuk with the sh*ttiest qb in the league again and no solution

[neckdemon]

Just now, Joe W. Namath said:

Post UK Woody has been a godsend.  We are lucky to have him as our owner.

i find it incredible that you consistently and without falter have the worst takes on almost every subject regarding the jets and football

[shuler82]

10 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

i find it incredible that you consistently and without falter have the worst takes on almost every subject regarding the jets and football

It’s not that  incredible once you realize he’s not actually a fan. 

[undertow]

12 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

i find it incredible that you consistently and without falter have the worst takes on almost every subject regarding the jets and football

He is one percent right about dead end Carr tho. lol

[southparkcpa]

[KINGDIRK]

The article is spot on. As fans l, were just annoyed and impatient the deal hasn’t happened yet. I know I am lol. But rather be annoyed and wait in order to keep premium draft capital. Unlike jackasses like Beningo. 

[Rangers9]

I think if the deal is after June 1 the Packers can spread out his cap hit over two seasons. But one reason for any holdup in negotiations could be over Rodgers salary more so than draft picks. JD is probably trying to get the Packers to take on some of that salary. Hard to believe the Jets willing to take on the entire price tag for Rodgers which is over 100 mil for two seasons. Often when there is a holdup on a deal in the NFL it's about money.

[viffer]

GB has no leverage. The Jets have sucked for over 50 years; another year or two won't matter. Giving GB the farm for a 1-2 year rental on a 40+ year old quarterback is just stupid. GB has two options, agree to JD's demands, or pay Rodgers $59 million this year and $40-something million next year to watch football games from the bench.

[tfine]

I see what you did here..


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[viffer]

2 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

I think if the deal is after June 1 the Packers can spread out his cap hit over two seasons. But one reason for any holdup in negotiations could be over Rodgers salary more so than draft picks. JD is probably trying to get the Packers to take on some of that salary. Hard to believe the Jets willing to take on the entire price tag for Rodgers which is over 100 mil for two seasons. Often when there is a holdup on a deal in the NFL it's about money.

This could be right. If you watched the Over the Cap video, if the Jets take the current contract and Rodgers plays for two years, he screws up the cap for the next 4 years. This years' hit isn't too bad, but after he is gone the Jets still get big hits in years 3 and 4. JD is shrewd; he may be holding out for GB to eat some of Rodgers' salary.

[Beerfish]

The best part of this clever jets genius scenario is the part where we get off to a bad start like the Packers did last year and we can all say that rodgers is not familiar with his receivers, just like last year.

If Rodgers is in it full force and not half retired, half assed he needs to be here for the voluntary part of the off season workouts.

Could this end up being the scenario?  Yes.  But it is not the best scenario for the Jets.

[Sammybighead]

JD is playing this perfect. Everytime GB calls trying to change terms, JD is just hanging up.

Go head, drag this out. We're perfectly fine waiting until after this draft when you'll go from minimal leverage to negative leverage. GB will have to pay us to take on Rodgers contract.

[jtomm]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The best part of this clever jets genius scenario is the part where we get off to a bad start like the Packers did last year and we can all say that rodgers is not familiar with his receivers, just like last year.

If Rodgers is in it full force and not half retired, half assed he needs to be here for the voluntary part of the off season workouts.

Could this end up being the scenario?  Yes.  But it is not the best scenario for the Jets.

[static14]

2 hours ago, dbatesman said:

 

I blue myself.

[Sperm Edwards]

Better still, get Rodgers to hint/leak that he’s going to hold out the first 10 games & return just in time to accrue the season.

His ’23 pay is 98% up front bonus money so the cumulative amount of game checks he’d forfeit is barely a rounding error.

[nycdan]

I have to admit I'm surprised at the number of national journalists who are falling over themselves to carry GBs water, going on about how much leverage the Packers have and how the Jets have no choice but to pony up whatever GB wants.  It's almost like there's an agenda, but that couldn't be it, could it? LOL.  Truth is, we really have no idea what's really going on.  Clearly, guys like Schefter and the rest of the ESPN clowns are just echoing whatever GB is giving them.  Objectivism is dead in the media.  So be it.

Honestly, the best thing to do is forget about it for a while...get into March Madness or soccer, or whatever floats your boat.  it truly doesn't matter if Rodgers is officially traded for now, May 1, June 1, or whenever.  And if GB goes nuclear and decides not to trade him, then yes, we'll have a much rougher season, but we'll have a good cap situation and just see what the team can do with a lesser QB for one more season while setting up for 2024.  On the other hand, the Packers will be sitting there with a pissed off Rodgers and a pissed off Love and $60M of cap being burned on a QB who they don't want to be playing for them.  Repeat that... $60M.  I'd be surprised if their GM and President survive that.  It's a pyrrhic victory but you learn to take your enjoyment where you can as a Jets fan. 

I kid, but honestly, I don't see any reason to pony up #13 when we can simply sit on our hands until the day after the draft although in reality, I just don't see GB letting it get that far.  

[fltflo]

Simple, sign a veteran backup who has the ability to start should the AR trade go south. With our defense and a solid game manger under center, we won’t make the SB but he should get us to the playoffs.
If we can get this done soon, we send a message to the Packers that we want AR but are willing to walk away.


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[JETS SB]

4 hours ago, neckdemon said:

if the deal doesn't happen for one reason or another we are ****ed and will be starting zach wilson most likely. it will be even worse if thew reaosn the deal doesn't happen is because in the midst of this staredown another team swoops in and offers enough and rodgers is willing to play there...then he goes on to a championship game or super bowl. and we are stuk with the sh*ttiest qb in the league again and no solution

Meds

[jamesr]

HOLD FIRM WOODY!

HOLD FIRM, WOODY!

Punctuation matters.   

[nycdan]

2 minutes ago, jamesr said:

HOLD FIRM WOODY!

HOLD FIRM, WOODY!

Punctuation matters.   

 

It certainly did when I was helping my uncle, Jack, off a horse.

[LionelRichie]

4 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

I think if the deal is after June 1 the Packers can spread out his cap hit over two seasons. But one reason for any holdup in negotiations could be over Rodgers salary more so than draft picks. JD is probably trying to get the Packers to take on some of that salary. Hard to believe the Jets willing to take on the entire price tag for Rodgers which is over 100 mil for two seasons. Often when there is a holdup on a deal in the NFL it's about money.

The only ‘leverage’ GB has is time.   The deal is getting done, both sides know it.  The compensation difference is all about how much time AR spends with the team.  GB is hoping the Jets panic to get AR in for mini-camp, etc….    If the deal doesn’t get done before the draft, the power move is AR showing up to practice in GB.  

[derp]

No more than four hours.

[TommyT]

Trey Wingo has not been wrong yet and says the deal will be completed this upcoming week.