AFJF Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I've seen a surprising number of fans get triggered over some of the criticism of Saleh lately. I was a Saleh guy until I found out he was spending time during the week to work on strengthening his friendship with Joe Beningo. Should've fired him that day. So for those still on board with the coach, what thing (or things) do you like most about Saleh? Going to kick around answers from here and X on the pod this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dcat Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 Excellent head-shaver, I have to say. Never a nick. edit: seriously, I just don't see that many HC qualities in him. I mean, generally, he's pretty good at setting up a defense, but as for running a team, ahhh... I have my doubts. Huge ones. Truth be told, there are just way too few positives about this guy. We deserve better. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The pod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JetPotato Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 Best thing about Saleh is that his tenure here has less than 1 year to go. 2 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BigRy56 Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 Just another defensive coach whose career will live and die by the QB position. A story we’ve seen before. Saleh’s defense and special teams units are top 10 at worst. His offenses are bottom 10 at best. He needs a QB and if Rodgers plays the season, he’ll have one and we’ll get to see what he really is all about 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Just not head coach material. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UntouchableCrew Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 I've been souring on him but I feel like his positive attributes are generally pretty clear: Great defensive coach Had the right idea about what to do scheme wise on both offense and defense. Not an out of touch dinosaur. Charismatic leader who the players seem to like and respect That said it certainly seems as though his leadership behind the scenes has been a deteriorating scattershot mess and he's kind of lost a lot of folks in the building. My general defense of him is largely just based on the fact that the key decisions that have doomed this offense weren't his and if we hadn't screwed them up "his rebuild" likely would have worked... But at this point it doesn't really matter. This iteration isn't likely to work unless Rodgers shows up and plays at an elite level. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TuscanyTile2 Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 He's great at bullsh-tting, scapegoating, losing games, and keeping his job. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Virility. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I think the worst thing about Saleh was having to watch him around Rodgers on Hard Knocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 16 minutes ago, AFJF said: I've seen a surprising number of fans get triggered over some of the criticism of Saleh lately. I was a Saleh guy until I found out he was spending time during the week to work on strengthening his friendship with Joe Beningo. Should've fired him that day. So for those still on board with the coach, what thing (or things) do you like most about Saleh? Going to kick around answers from here and X on the pod this week. He has the ability to get you to start an asinine thread. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sourceworx Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 As much as we all kill the guy (myself included) he's gotten a pretty raw deal. He's had to work with pure garbage at the QB position. The fact that he's won 14 games in the last two years despite such awful QB play is kind of amazing. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The Good. Excellent Defensive Coach Good With Player Relationships. Willingness to delegate The Bad Willingness to delegate 1/3 of his team (offense) to unqualified manpower. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, sourceworx said: As much as we all kill the guy (myself included) he's gotten a pretty raw deal. He's had to work with pure garbage at the QB position. The fact that he's won 14 games in the last two years despite such awful QB play is kind of amazing. If the plan was to return the same offense but with a healthy AR8 and a different backup QB then we'd be able to determine that. But the fact that we're still going to overhaul 3/5 of our OL and add a WR2 and probably WR3 is a pretty good sign that maybe it wasn't ZW's fault after all (at least last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The best trait I've seen of this team in his tenure is they often don't quit even when playing badly. There's been quite a few examples of us winning games we had no business winning because our team stuck around the whole time and stole it in the fourth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Is he really even a "great" defensive coach? When has a defense of his ever really stepped up and been the reason the Jets have won a big game? Guess we'll never know, because the Jets don't play in big games. It's one thing to put up solid defenses in the regular season. It's a whole different thing proving your system works against elite teams in a playoff game. I don't want to hear about the QB. He and his staff (staffs now actually) have done nothing to prove they are capable of identifying and developing QB talent. They have zero clue when it comes to the most important position on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Supposedly wanted nothing to do with drafting Zach. If true, that trumps everything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 21 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: The best trait I've seen of this team in his tenure is they often don't quit even when playing badly. There's been quite a few examples of us winning games we had no business winning because our team stuck around the whole time and stole it in the fourth. * doesn't include the 30-0 loss to Miami that eliminated us from post-season contention (even though we still had a long shot dream of AR8 coming back). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 He lacks maturity and wants too much to be liked. His start as a HC needed to be with a team with a lot of existing support and structure - maybe like the Steelers or 49ers. Not the sh!t show that is Woody's NY Jets. In a way Zach was the perfect QB for him. Both exposed one another... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 15 minutes ago, section314 said: Supposedly wanted nothing to do with drafting Zach. If true, that trumps everything. Its hard to blame Saleh for this mess Most of the team's problems are because of decisions made above his pay grade Like this nate Hackett thing for example. Does anyone really believe that was salehs decision? Saleh has become a scapegoat for JD and woody meddling Just to add one of the positive traits is that the defense never gave up on the offense. He keeps the locker room together, other teams give up we've seen it in Jets seasons past 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 12 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: * doesn't include the 30-0 loss to Miami that eliminated us from post-season contention (even though we still had a longshot dream of AR8 coming back). The Jets had 103 total yards that day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The Good: Can coordinate a good defense Can identify defensive talent Can work well with veteran defensive players Can develop young inexperienced defensive players The Bad: Might have to open up a whole new forum to list everything as each flaw is so long, numerous, and detailed that each one would require their own respective threads Easier to say that he is not a good head coach at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Good: Came for San Fran Bad: Went to the Jets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 If the plan was to return the same offense but with a healthy AR8 and a different backup QB then we'd be able to determine that. But the fact that we're still going to overhaul 3/5 of our OL and add a WR2 and probably WR3 is a pretty good sign that maybe it wasn't ZW's fault after all (at least last year). The goal is to win a championship so you try to upgrade as many positions as possible. The goal isn't to prove how bad Wilson was but even if it was we all have a really good idea of how sh*tty he was, with you being the exception.As far as Saleh goes, it's hard to get on him for not turning a lump of white calcified dog sh*t into a serviceable QB. He's not a miracle worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Is he really even a "great" defensive coach? When has a defense of his ever really stepped up and been the reason the Jets have won a big game? Guess we'll never know, because the Jets don't play in big games. It's one thing to put up solid defenses in the regular season. It's a whole different thing proving your system works against elite teams in a playoff game. I don't want to hear about the QB. He and his staff (staffs now actually) have done nothing to prove they are capable of identifying and developing QB talent. They have zero clue when it comes to the most important position on the field.Philly. The defense definitely won that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 That he triggers so many people here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, AFJF said: I've seen a surprising number of fans get triggered over some of the criticism of Saleh lately. I was a Saleh guy until I found out he was spending time during the week to work on strengthening his friendship with Joe Beningo. Should've fired him that day. So for those still on board with the coach, what thing (or things) do you like most about Saleh? Going to kick around answers from here and X on the pod this week. I see almost no positives. What he does have is corporate political savvy and unfortunately we have an owner that gets sucked in by that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 7 minutes ago, bicketybam said: The goal is to win a championship so you try to upgrade as many positions as possible. The goal isn't to prove how bad Wilson was but even if it was we all have a really good idea of how sh*tty he was, with you being the exception. As far as Saleh goes, it's hard to get on him for not turning a lump of white calcified dog sh*t into a serviceable QB. He's not a miracle worker. He's barely even a worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 22 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I've been souring on him but I feel like his positive attributes are generally pretty clear: Great defensive coach Had the right idea about what to do scheme wise on both offense and defense. Not an out of touch dinosaur. Charismatic leader who the players seem to like and respect That said it certainly seems as though his leadership behind the scenes has been a deteriorating scattershot mess and he's kind of lost a lot of folks in the building. My general defense of him is largely just based on the fact that the key decisions that have doomed this offense weren't his and if we hadn't screwed them up "his rebuild" likely would have worked... But at this point it doesn't really matter. This iteration isn't likely to work unless Rodgers shows up and plays at an elite level. Agree with this. I'm getting tired of hiring defensive coordinators, but also tired of blaming said defensive coaches for massive busts at quarterback, a terrible offensive line and a bad owner. Wilson, then the Rodgers injury, JD completely whiffing on offensive lineman... I just don't see how many other coaches would've had success here. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said: I see almost no positives. What he does have is corporate political savvy and unfortunately we have an owner that gets sucked in by that. Agreed. He's basically a decent DC who is masquerading as a HC. He's thrown around some catchy slogans to try to try to win over ownership and the fanbase and hopefully parlay it all into a 2nd contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Agree with this. I'm getting tired of hiring defensive coordinators, but also tired of blaming said defensive coaches for massive busts at quarterback, a terrible offensive line and a bad owner. Wilson, then the Rodgers injury, JD completely whiffing on offensive lineman... I just don't see how many other coaches would've had success here. Don't leave out the WRs, btw. Reminder that our WR2 last year was a punt returner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, mrcoops said: Virility. ^post of the year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I mean does he get credit for making our defense elite? Other than that not much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasyt Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 His stair-running ability may be second to none. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: I mean does he get credit for making our defense elite? Other than that not much He does? How did he do with our defense when we didn't have stars (or at least high level talent) all over the place? I recall the Patriots beating us 54-13 with Mac Jones as their QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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