You All Wanted this, now your bitching...

[JPPT1974]

Well it was by fate that Tom Brady became the GOAT. As hard of an act it was to follow Bledsoe. But still it is about good ownership and also good GM and coach in picking the right team and having the right kind of chemistry.

[flgreen]

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

This is such truth right here. I've heard Jets fans complain about the Jets not trading Richardson, then when having a discussion about that very topic they contradict themselves when they say that "well no one is going to give up a bunch for Sheldon". Well, either you want to trade him or you dont. This isnt a catch 22 situation here. 

 

Nothing that the Jets do will make Jets fans happy at this point. We got fans literally pissed because they cut Harris in June, a guy who they overpaid in the 1st place during that last contract. Fans were saying that we should have cut him before the draft so we could have "Strategized during the draft". Well, why the heck would you cut a guy and MAKE a hole that now becomes a need in the draft? sh*t like that causes you to reach when you didnt have to. We didnt trade Pryor then drafted 2 Safeties. What if Jamal Adams didnt fall to us? Precisely why you dont purposely make holes to address in the draft. 

I guarantee if David Harris was liked as much as Calvin Pryor people would be praising Macc for the move. This is why you cant deal with emotions. This is business. I said the same thing back when Darrelle was "Revis Island". I said he needs to get his money because its a business. Well, it's a business and the move benefits the Jets. 

C'mon, your making it sound like it's the same group of fans  that complain for every action.  Incredible as it sounds, of the thousands of fans on the board, there are a few different opinions of how the Jets should act moving forward.  When the Jets do, what appears from the surface of it, to be a tank move, the people that think the Jets can be competitive this year with a few breaks think this is the wrong way to go.

When the Jets take an action that seems like they are going to try to win at all costs, like starting McCown (not sure why that wold make them win) A totally different group of fans that think that taking is the way to go will complain.  

Jets are sending mixed signals about what there intentions are, so yeah, everyone is complaining about different things

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, flgreen said:

C'mon, your making it sound like it's the same group of fans  that complain for every action.  Incredible as it sounds, of the thousands of fans on the board, there are a few different opinions of how the Jets should act moving forward.  When the Jets do, what appears from the surface of it, to be a tank move, the people that think the Jets can be competitive this year with a few breaks think this is the wrong way to go.

When the Jets take an action that seems like they are going to try to win at all costs, like starting McCown (not sure why that wold make them win) A totally different group of fans that think that taking is the way to go will complain.  

Jets are sending mixed signals about what there intentions are, so yeah, everyone is complaining about different things

Actually, the people that I'm speaking of run a podcast...so it is the same group of fans in that sense

 

 

[jeremy2020]

6 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

This is ridiculous analysis.  If the pryor trade allowed them to move on from Harris, then that deal saved them the difference between Pryor + Harris (8.2M) and Davis plus a minimum salary player replacing Pryor on the roster (~4M).  In other words, you're complaining that instead of the move saving the team 1.7M in cap room, it saved the team 4.2M in cap room.

Please go sit in the corner until you realize why that is stupid.

I apologize that I didn't explain in crayon for you. They no longer have harris on the roster. You see, when they cut him, he's not allowed to play anymore. 

[jeremy2020]

7 hours ago, Skeptable said:

And that he wasn't a great football player any longer... he was only getting worse.

yet, they have multiple linebackers on the roster who are even worse than he is...

[Bugg]

3 hours ago, Skeptable said:

Did you even read what I wrote? It wasn't about sports writers making up a column, they wrote a book on them taking a crack managing a minor league team, and they thought the hardest part of managing was going to get the players to do what they asked, but instead it was about team chemistry. This is their words, of something they thought was minor, and it turned out to be a major factor in them winning or losing... Fine you don't want to read the book... but typecasting me into believing that team chemistry is what wins or loses is not what I am saying...

What I am ultimately saying is that team chemistry may not win you more games but it can LOSE you games as it did last year. Team chemistry can kill a team whether you choose to believe it or not.... If you have a co-worker refusing to do one part of his job or does it incorrectly it effects you as a team.... 

The Jets sucked in 2016 because the corners couldn't cover and the offense was horrible. All the "Kumbaya" in the world wouldn't have changed any of that. A book by it's nature is written by a sportswriter looking for an overarching theme. Sucking at football doesn't have much to do with nor help add to a  narrative. 

[rangerous]

8 hours ago, Clementi49 said:

Didn't we all want our organization to be more like the Patriots??? Didn't we all want better leadership at the top??? Woody to let the football people do their jobs ???

Everything every Jet fan wanted is happening organizationally. 

You can't say you want our organization to make sound football decisions, but then get all pissy eyed when they let a fan favorite go. 

 

1) You are getting a total rebuild

2) probably going to have 100 mil in cap space 

3) probably going to have a top 5 pick and fighting for #1

4) we already have a few young players with potential. Some more then others 

5) Two young QBs to evaluate this year

 

you can't be upset the first year GM had this nucleus and almost made the playoffs with it and so he tried one more year. It failed. He gutted it to the original plan. That one year with Fitz was actually pretty fun. Zero expectations. Kind of like this year. Take your licks this year as a fan, listen to your buddies make fun of your, and just get over the fact a sports team didn't set up a team exactly like you thought it should be. Last time I checked anytime anyone gets fired at work it's not a good time. By the way, the Patriots don't keep fan favorites and they are the class of the league  

So sit back, make those PSL installment payments and just have fun with the year. 

 

We are more like the Patriots today with the moves we made yesterday then we were in years prior...

these are good points but mac really just needed to keep moving with the rebuild that idzik started.  the last two seasons have just been wasted.  and i get the whole part about having a really good season in 2015 and they trying to parlay on that success.  it didn't work and that really has to fall on bowles and mac.  now we are supposed to think these guys can pull off a rebuild?  i hope so but at the same time maybe a rebuild of management was in order too.

[Charlie Brown]

3 hours ago, JiF said:

Dude the dream team was coined by Vince Young.  Their starting QB was Mike Vick.  They were not good.

Yes, the Patriots are ******* loaded and have the best cheater duo of all time in BB and Brady.  

Thank you!!

Now we have Jets fans saying the Pats are devoid of talent.  

They only have the greatest QB of this generation and a tight end who maybe the best match up of all time on their team. 

Folks are plain silly.

Lets trade Brady for Fitz last year and you would quickly see the difference.  

[jgb]

3 hours ago, JiF said:

Dude the dream team was coined by Vince Young.  Their starting QB was Mike Vick.  They were not good.

Yes, the Patriots are ******* loaded and have the best cheater duo of all time in BB and Brady.  

I wish Jets had championships with asteriks

[Larz]

They are doing exactly what I wanted with 1 glaring exception..... They signed a useless vet QB

Turning the team over to hack and petty would have made the most sense. 

That way you either go 3-13 or you develop a young QB

[Jet9]

27 minutes ago, rangerous said:

these are good points but mac really just needed to keep moving with the rebuild that idzik started.  the last two seasons have just been wasted.  and i get the whole part about having a really good season in 2015 and they trying to parlay on that success.  it didn't work and that really has to fall on bowles and mac.  now we are supposed to think these guys can pull off a rebuild?  i hope so but at the same time maybe a rebuild of management was in order too.

What rebuild did Idzik start? He cleared up cap space, for sure. He ******* sucked at literally every other  aspect of a rebuild or being a GM, for that matter. 

[Dunnie]

They are doing exactly what I wanted with 1 glaring exception..... They signed a useless vet QB
Turning the team over to hack and petty would have made the most sense. 
That way you either go 3-13 or you develop a young QB

i promise you hack will start no later than week 5


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[Skeptable]

13 hours ago, Bugg said:

The Jets sucked in 2016 because the corners couldn't cover and the offense was horrible. All the "Kumbaya" in the world wouldn't have changed any of that. A book by it's nature is written by a sportswriter looking for an overarching theme. Sucking at football doesn't have much to do with nor help add to a  narrative. 

You obviously have never played a division 1 sport in college or any hyper competitive team sport.... Because anybody who has knows that team chemistry can make or break a team.

[Big Blocker]

15 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

 

 

Well.... DBate happens to be correct.  Hes not really bitching..just stating fact.   Like doing a kitchen remodel 12 times on a house now you say, screw it and knock the house down.  I'm all for it but who is in charge of this rebuild???  

No one in management has any track record for we fans to be hopeful. I am of course... but if history is any indicator.    

I basically agree here, only to add as I expect you would also agree that Woody is a huge part of the problem, too.  But on the GM for a moment...

To be clear, Macc just might surprise me and start being an effective GM.  But so far I see no consistency to his approach to running this team.  And as far as the draft is concerned, he has been inconsistent at best.  Going BPA with Williams was an easy, safe move he doesn't deserve much credit for.  But others?  Darron Lee, really?

The main point is we have no good reason to think Macc will be effective going forward with a rebuild.  None. 

The lack of proven record, the lack of an inspiring history of prior, effective performance, goes back to Woody. No one who has such a history wants to work for him.

again it is not impossible for it to happen.  But it is highly likely the Jets will not win a Super Bowl as long as Woody is the owner.

[southparkcpa]

21 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

I basically agree here, only to add as I expect you would also agree that Woody is a huge part of the problem, too.  But on the GM for a moment...

To be clear, Macc just might surprise me and start being an effective GM.  But so far I see no consistency to his approach to running this team.  And as far as the draft is concerned, he has been inconsistent at best.  Going BPA with Williams was an easy, safe move he doesn't deserve much credit for.  But others?  Darron Lee, really?

The main point is we have no good reason to think Macc will be effective going forward with a rebuild.  None. 

The lack of proven record, the lack of an inspiring history of prior, effective performance, goes back to Woody. No one who has such a history wants to work for him.

again it is not impossible for it to happen.  But it is highly likely the Jets will not win a Super Bowl as long as Woody is the owner.

I agree .... the common denominator is WOODY.   He simply wants to win a little.   And with a fan base like ours...  we accept 9 and 7 and say well, at least we're not the Browns or Dolphins.   

Im tired of it.   Macc may be a real GM, who knows.  

[Tinstar]

14 hours ago, Larz said:

They are doing exactly what I wanted with 1 glaring exception..... They signed a useless vet QB

Turning the team over to hack and petty would have made the most sense. 

That way you either go 3-13 or you develop a young QB

For whom ?

[southtown24th]

Bring it on.

 

T A N K

 

TANK TANK TANK.

[southtown24th]

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php

[#27TheDominator]

16 hours ago, Jet9 said:

What rebuild did Idzik start? He cleared up cap space, for sure. He ******* sucked at literally every other  aspect of a rebuild or being a GM, for that matter. 

What has Maccagnan done to show the ability to be the architect of this rebuild?

We are in year three and he is back to clearing cap space.  He had that when he ******* started.  His drafts have been better than Idzik's.  That is not a compliment

[CanadaSteve]

5 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

What has Maccagnan done to show the ability to be the architect of this rebuild?

We are in year three and he is back to clearing cap space.  He had that when he ******* started.  His drafts have been better than Idzik's.  That is not a compliment

If you have a boss who is constantly meddling in what you do, than how is he suppose to do his job?

[#27TheDominator]

1 minute ago, CanadaSteve said:

If you have a boss who is constantly meddling in what you do, than how is he suppose to do his job?

When?  Where?  What?  You think Woody picked a ******* fidget inside linebacker and two safeties at the top of the draft?  Woody gave all that money to these old bastards?  What he did year 1 was what he told Woody he would do in his interview.  What he did in year 2?  I have no ******* idea what he was doing. 

 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

4 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

His drafts have been better than Idzik's.

I'm not all that sure that they have been. Leonard Williams is great but he's all there is and he might not even have been the right pick. There isn't really even a whole lot to point to in support of the notion that Maccagnan gets it generally and is just missing picks.

[dbatesman]

42 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I'm not all that sure that they have been. Leonard Williams is great but he's all there is and he might not even have been the right pick. There isn't really even a whole lot to point to in support of the notion that Maccagnan gets it generally and is just missing picks.

Between Hackenberg, Mauldin, and Jenkins, I think that last bit is pretty well settled.

[rangerous]

22 hours ago, Jet9 said:

What rebuild did Idzik start? He cleared up cap space, for sure. He ******* sucked at literally every other  aspect of a rebuild or being a GM, for that matter. 

he did exactly what mac is doing now but he had much poorer success at making draft choices.

[joewilly12]

Gonna be a long season good thing Jets fans are the most resilient in the NFL 

The tank is happening 

[kdels62]

22 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Gonna be a long season good thing Jets fans are the most resilient in the NFL 

The tank is happening 

Yeah but isn't seeing a bunch of young guys try to become NFL players better than watching old vets coast to mediocrity?

plus if all the young guys suck we'll have draft assets and a new GM and that's better than "maybe we get lucky and play bad teams next season?"

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

Between Hackenberg, Mauldin, and Jenkins, I think that last bit is pretty well settled.

It's not just the tools. It's basic ideas. There isn't any kind of an indication that he understands things like positional value and opportunity cost. Of course he doesn't. He's a football guy.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Gonna be a long season good thing Jets fans are the most resilient in the NFL 

The tank is happening 

Browns fans are so lucky they got a 3 year time out from the suck after Modell left town.

[SAR I]

On 6/7/2017 at 11:44 AM, Integrity28 said:

You can want the gut-job rebuild, and still be disgusted that this is where we are after the past several years of "promises".

....or you can realize that the best stretch in Jets history had very little to do with traditional rebuilding via unknown kids in the draft and was all about spending money on validated, predictable free agents.

It figures that the Jets practically revolutionized how to rebuild and perpetuate a playoff-caliber NFL roster for 15 years while Tom Brady is blocking us and then run away from this successful strategy on the cusp of his retirement.

SAR I

[Integrity28]

2 minutes ago, SAR I said:

....or you can realize that the best stretch in Jets history had very little to do with traditional rebuilding via unknown kids in the draft and was all about spending money on validated, predictable free agents.

It figures that the Jets practically revolutionized how to rebuild and perpetuate a playoff-caliber NFL roster for 15 years while Tom Brady is blocking us and then run away from this successful strategy on the cusp of his retirement.

SAR I

This has nothing to do with my post. I'm just pointing out to the OP the false choice of his bitching. 

You make an interesting point though.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

21 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

What has Maccagnan done to show the ability to be the architect of this rebuild?

We are in year three and he is back to clearing cap space.  He had that when he ******* started.  His drafts have been better than Idzik's.  That is not a compliment

I'm sure he'll get it by the time the year 5 rebuild starts. 

[JustInFudge]

16 hours ago, dbatesman said:

Between Hackenberg, Mauldin, and Jenkins, I think that last bit is pretty well settled.

Hack will never been explained but the other 2 at least can somewhat be explained.  Yes, they're tool set doesnt match what necessarily has shown to work in the NFL but they were 3rd round picks for a reason.

It's much more about positional value (Lee and Safeties) and his overall gauge of where and when a player should be selected (Smith and Hack).

If Mac plays fantasy football, he's the guy taking Aaron Rodgers in the 1st round and Cam Newton in the 2nd. 

 

[CanadaSteve]

21 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

When?  Where?  What?  You think Woody picked a ******* fidget inside linebacker and two safeties at the top of the draft?  Woody gave all that money to these old bastards?  What he did year 1 was what he told Woody he would do in his interview.  What he did in year 2?  I have no ******* idea what he was doing. 

 

You're right.....Nothing is Woody's fault.  Its all on Mac.  And when we fire him, it will be all the next GM's fault.  Same with the one after that in 5 years. 

Funny thing is, the only constant in no matter how many GM's we hire is the owner.......BUT, hey, none of it is on him though.

[Fantasy Island]

On 6/7/2017 at 11:29 AM, whodeawhodat said:

Cap money isnt an issue any longer.  we will have approx. $20M to roll over to next years cap which is currently sitting at $60M under.  so that is a combined $80M ready to spend next year.

Question is, who will be the next inflated Revis signing?   My guess is Terrell Suggs

[NoBowles]

21 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

When?  Where?  What?  You think Woody picked a ******* fidget inside linebacker and two safeties at the top of the draft?  Woody gave all that money to these old bastards?  What he did year 1 was what he told Woody he would do in his interview.  What he did in year 2?  I have no ******* idea what he was doing. 

 

Actually, I am pretty all of those were 100%  Bowles picks. He pretty much even told us so. I don't see how its not clear as all hell that from day 1, Maccagnan has been placating Bowles and getting him what he wanted. See Cro, Fitz, Lee, Adams and Maye.....

Maccagnan very well may be an idiot, hell, if Woody hired him, the odds are he is. But the real problem is Woody. He is the one who setup this stupid ass power structure that muddies the accountability of everyone, most importantly, him.