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3 minutes ago, #90 said:

There are some real rocket scientists on here. Mel Kiper's Big Board is not readily available (Just the first two picks) ... IN- pay site on ESPN.

Even Scarier 3 likes. UGH.

Yet another reason we would've been better off tanking!

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9 hours ago, #90 said:

There are some real rocket scientists on here. Mel Kiper's Big Board is not readily available (Just the first two picks) ... IN- pay site on ESPN.

Even Scarier 3 likes. UGH. 

The idea that someone would pay for Mel Kiper's big board is the far scarier concept. 

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10 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I remember it seemed like an absolute eternity before last year’s draft finally happened.  I was sick of reading about the draft 2 months before it even took place. I can’t believe we’re back to having to “look forward” to this again. 

What?  You were talking about the draft weeks ago!

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Todd McShay's Top 32 Prospects (12/18/18)

 
  1. Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio St

  2. Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama

  3. Devin White, ILB, LSU

  4. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU

  5. Rashan Gary, DE, Michigan

  6. Derrick Brown, DT, Auburn

  7. Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

  8. Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama

  9. Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson

  10. Devin Bush, OLB, Michigan

  11. Josh Allen, OLB, Kentucky

  12. Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama

  13. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson

  14. Cody Ford, OT, Oklahoma

  15. Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia

  16. Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State

  17. Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson

  18. Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State

  19. Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame

  20. Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon

  21. Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss

  22. Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State

  23. Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State

  24. Zach Allen, DE, Boston College

  25. Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida

  26. Jachai Polite, OLB, Florida

  27. Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

  28. Brian Burns, DE, Florida State

  29. Noah Fant, TE, Iowa

  30. Johnathan Abram, S, Mississippi State

  31. Irv Smith Jr., TE, Alabama

  32. Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech

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10 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I remember it seemed like an absolute eternity before last year’s draft finally happened.  I was sick of reading about the draft 2 months before it even took place. I can’t believe we’re back to having to “look forward” to this again. 

Yet, with all due respect, you will probably start 15 threads regarding each of the top 15 players on the Jets message board vs. the Draft Message Board

You're a fellow brother from the ol' NJ.com board but you have a knack of starting threads about whatever comes to your mind!!

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3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Todd McShay's Top 32 Prospects (12/18/18)

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  1. Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio St

  2. Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama

  3. Devin White, ILB, LSU

  4. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU

  5. Rashan Gary, DE, Michigan

  6. Derrick Brown, DT, Auburn

  7. Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

  8. Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama

  9. Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson

  10. Devin Bush, OLB, Michigan

  11. Josh Allen, OLB, Kentucky

  12. Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama

  13. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson

  14. Cody Ford, OT, Oklahoma

  15. Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia

  16. Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State

  17. Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson

  18. Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State

  19. Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame

  20. Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon

  21. Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss

  22. Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State

  23. Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State

  24. Zach Allen, DE, Boston College

  25. Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida

  26. Jachai Polite, OLB, Florida

  27. Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

  28. Brian Burns, DE, Florida State

  29. Noah Fant, TE, Iowa

  30. Johnathan Abram, S, Mississippi State

  31. Irv Smith Jr., TE, Alabama

  32. Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech

Looking at this list if there was any possibility of tradeing back and getting both Williams and Little (would require tradeing back into 1st round ) would be a dream scenario 

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5 minutes ago, Bocajetfan said:

Looking at this list if there was any possibility of tradeing back and getting both Williams and Little (would require tradeing back into 1st round ) would be a dream scenario 

who would teams be trading up for? 

 

this is chris trapasso's list (CBS) 12/12/2018

 

1. Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio State

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, bend, explosiveness, strength 

2. Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama 

Strengths: Balance, punch timing/accuracy, light feet, power

3. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU 

Strengths: Length, fluidity, ball skills

4. Ed Oliver, DT, Houston 

Strengths: Extreme explosiveness, low-center-of-gravity power

5. Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia

Strengths: Mirroring skills, ball skills

6. Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, surprising power, hip fluidity

7. N'Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State 

Strengths: Size, high-pointing skills, deceptive wiggle, long speed

8. Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson 

Strengths: Length, size, athleticism

9. A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss

Strengths: Yards after the catch skills, contested-catch ability

10. Dalton Risner, OT, Kansas State

Strengths: Balance, light feet, power, recovery skills

11. Kelvin Harmon, WR, NC State 

Strengths: Body control, strong hands, size, smooth athleticism

12. Zach Allen, EDGE/DL, Boston College

Strengths: Bull rush, pass-rushing moves, size, power, athleticism

13. Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson 

Strengths: Versatility, athleticism, burst, block-shedding skills 

14. Ben Burr-Kirven, LB, Washington

Strengths: Quickness, block-defeating capabilities, athleticism, awareness, explosiveness   

15. Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State

Strengths: Hip fluidity, pass-rushing moves, burst

16. Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky

Strengths: Explosiveness, motor, power, bend

17. Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame 

Strengths: Heavy hands, burst, motor, power

18. JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford

Strengths: Tremendous ball skills/high-pointing ability, size, length

19. Jeffrey Simmons, DT, Mississippi State

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, strength, length, athleticism

20. D.K. Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss

Strength: Size, speed, athleticism

21. Byron Murphy, CB, Washington

Strengths: Twitchiness, awareness, ball skills

22. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson

Strengths: Mammoth size, athleticism, pass-rushing moves

23. Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

Strengths: Speed, twitchiness, route-running

24. Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama 

Strengths: Explosiveness, run-support willingness, range

25. Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida

Strengths: Bend, burst, pass-rushing moves

26. Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State

Strengths: Length, smooth athleticism, ball skills

27. Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss 

Strengths: Athleticism, length, size, balance

28. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri 

Strengths: Arm strength, athleticism, downfield accuracy, pocket patience

29. Devin White, LB, LSU 

Strengths: Explosiveness, speed, power

30. Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo 

Strengths: Ability to track the football, smooth athleticism, yards-after-the-catch skills

31. Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, flexibility, power

32. Bryce Hall, CB, Virginia

Strengths: Length, ball skills, awareness, athleticism

Honorable mention: Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State, Terronne Prescod, OG, NC State, Montez Sweat, EDGE, Mississippi State, Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida, Taylor Rapp, S, Washington, Te'von Coney, LB, Notre Dame, Ryan Finley, QB, NC State, Cody Ford, OL, Oklahoma 

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15 minutes ago, bitonti said:

who would teams be trading up for? 

 

this is chris trapasso's list (CBS) 12/12/2018

 

1. Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio State

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, bend, explosiveness, strength 

2. Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama 

Strengths: Balance, punch timing/accuracy, light feet, power

3. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU 

Strengths: Length, fluidity, ball skills

4. Ed Oliver, DT, Houston 

Strengths: Extreme explosiveness, low-center-of-gravity power

5. Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia

Strengths: Mirroring skills, ball skills

6. Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, surprising power, hip fluidity

7. N'Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State 

Strengths: Size, high-pointing skills, deceptive wiggle, long speed

8. Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson 

Strengths: Length, size, athleticism

9. A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss

Strengths: Yards after the catch skills, contested-catch ability

10. Dalton Risner, OT, Kansas State

Strengths: Balance, light feet, power, recovery skills

11. Kelvin Harmon, WR, NC State 

Strengths: Body control, strong hands, size, smooth athleticism

12. Zach Allen, EDGE/DL, Boston College

Strengths: Bull rush, pass-rushing moves, size, power, athleticism

13. Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson 

Strengths: Versatility, athleticism, burst, block-shedding skills 

14. Ben Burr-Kirven, LB, Washington

Strengths: Quickness, block-defeating capabilities, athleticism, awareness, explosiveness   

15. Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State

Strengths: Hip fluidity, pass-rushing moves, burst

16. Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky

Strengths: Explosiveness, motor, power, bend

17. Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame 

Strengths: Heavy hands, burst, motor, power

18. JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford

Strengths: Tremendous ball skills/high-pointing ability, size, length

19. Jeffrey Simmons, DT, Mississippi State

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, strength, length, athleticism

20. D.K. Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss

Strength: Size, speed, athleticism

21. Byron Murphy, CB, Washington

Strengths: Twitchiness, awareness, ball skills

22. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson

Strengths: Mammoth size, athleticism, pass-rushing moves

23. Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

Strengths: Speed, twitchiness, route-running

24. Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama 

Strengths: Explosiveness, run-support willingness, range

25. Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida

Strengths: Bend, burst, pass-rushing moves

26. Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State

Strengths: Length, smooth athleticism, ball skills

27. Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss 

Strengths: Athleticism, length, size, balance

28. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri 

Strengths: Arm strength, athleticism, downfield accuracy, pocket patience

29. Devin White, LB, LSU 

Strengths: Explosiveness, speed, power

30. Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo 

Strengths: Ability to track the football, smooth athleticism, yards-after-the-catch skills

31. Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, flexibility, power

32. Bryce Hall, CB, Virginia

Strengths: Length, ball skills, awareness, athleticism

Honorable mention: Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State, Terronne Prescod, OG, NC State, Montez Sweat, EDGE, Mississippi State, Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida, Taylor Rapp, S, Washington, Te'von Coney, LB, Notre Dame, Ryan Finley, QB, NC State, Cody Ford, OL, Oklahoma 

If he keeps his head on straight at the combine, think the guy teams would trade up for is Ed Oliver. May look at him as Aaron Donald . Also, the more I watch Clemson, I think Bryant is better than Ferrell.

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35 minutes ago, bitonti said:

who would teams be trading up for? 

 

this is chris trapasso's list (CBS) 12/12/2018

 

1. Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio State

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, bend, explosiveness, strength 

2. Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama 

Strengths: Balance, punch timing/accuracy, light feet, power

3. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU 

Strengths: Length, fluidity, ball skills

4. Ed Oliver, DT, Houston 

Strengths: Extreme explosiveness, low-center-of-gravity power

5. Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia

Strengths: Mirroring skills, ball skills

6. Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, surprising power, hip fluidity

7. N'Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State 

Strengths: Size, high-pointing skills, deceptive wiggle, long speed

8. Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson 

Strengths: Length, size, athleticism

9. A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss

Strengths: Yards after the catch skills, contested-catch ability

10. Dalton Risner, OT, Kansas State

Strengths: Balance, light feet, power, recovery skills

11. Kelvin Harmon, WR, NC State 

Strengths: Body control, strong hands, size, smooth athleticism

12. Zach Allen, EDGE/DL, Boston College

Strengths: Bull rush, pass-rushing moves, size, power, athleticism

13. Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson 

Strengths: Versatility, athleticism, burst, block-shedding skills 

14. Ben Burr-Kirven, LB, Washington

Strengths: Quickness, block-defeating capabilities, athleticism, awareness, explosiveness   

15. Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State

Strengths: Hip fluidity, pass-rushing moves, burst

16. Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky

Strengths: Explosiveness, motor, power, bend

17. Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame 

Strengths: Heavy hands, burst, motor, power

18. JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford

Strengths: Tremendous ball skills/high-pointing ability, size, length

19. Jeffrey Simmons, DT, Mississippi State

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, strength, length, athleticism

20. D.K. Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss

Strength: Size, speed, athleticism

21. Byron Murphy, CB, Washington

Strengths: Twitchiness, awareness, ball skills

22. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson

Strengths: Mammoth size, athleticism, pass-rushing moves

23. Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

Strengths: Speed, twitchiness, route-running

24. Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama 

Strengths: Explosiveness, run-support willingness, range

25. Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida

Strengths: Bend, burst, pass-rushing moves

26. Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State

Strengths: Length, smooth athleticism, ball skills

27. Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss 

Strengths: Athleticism, length, size, balance

28. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri 

Strengths: Arm strength, athleticism, downfield accuracy, pocket patience

29. Devin White, LB, LSU 

Strengths: Explosiveness, speed, power

30. Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo 

Strengths: Ability to track the football, smooth athleticism, yards-after-the-catch skills

31. Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion

Strengths: Pass-rushing moves, flexibility, power

32. Bryce Hall, CB, Virginia

Strengths: Length, ball skills, awareness, athleticism

Honorable mention: Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State, Terronne Prescod, OG, NC State, Montez Sweat, EDGE, Mississippi State, Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida, Taylor Rapp, S, Washington, Te'von Coney, LB, Notre Dame, Ryan Finley, QB, NC State, Cody Ford, OL, Oklahoma 

I did say if possible. Any number of players on this list could possibly move up after the combine and pro days. Oakland for one might be interested in moving up. With their draft capital giving up a 2nd + would possibly give the Jets giving up their 2 and both 3’s gets them back into the 1st round. Would depend so much on how much value they place on a number of the D heavy talent in the draft something they have a need D-line, LB and DB.

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Suspect after this season,  more than a few QBs are going to be picked in the top 10. Giants and Raiders are not set. A few vets like Stafford, Bridgewater and either Foles or Wentz are going to move. Its' too important a slot.  

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Not really sure where to put this but apparently Antonio Brown went crazy on a teammate and the Steelers decided to sit him. Brown also decided to skip practice all week. 

If the Steelers put him on the block, what would you be willing to trade for him? Is he worth our 3rd overall pick? He’s 30 years old and has $60 million left on his contract over the next 3 years.

Looking at McShays big board, seems like there aren’t many first round WRs.

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2 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

Not really sure where to put this but apparently Antonio Brown went crazy on a teammate and the Steelers decided to sit him. Brown also decided to skip practice all week. 

If the Steelers put him on the block, what would you be willing to trade for him? Is he worth our 3rd overall pick? He’s 30 years old and has $60 million left on his contract over the next 3 years.

Looking at McShays big board, seems like there aren’t many first round WRs.

I'd give a significant amount for him. Considering the age and $, I'd say a 3rd and a 6th maybe. He'd be nicey nice for Sam to play with. 

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14 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

If that's what the Jet's board looks like then you really should to trade down.  Take whatever you can get (forget about that stupid value chart) 

We should be going offense - take the best offer and get some more picks.

I agree with this. Less than top value is still more than picking at the third spot most likely. I would love to recoup the 2 for this years draft. OL and WR are the priorities from my stand point. The OLB/pass rusher, while obviously important doesn't carry the same weight for me as directly doing all we can for Sam Mother F*ckin Darnold! 

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1 minute ago, GREENBEAN said:

I agree with this. Less than top value is still more than picking at the third spot most likely. I would love to recoup the 2 for this years draft. OL and WR are the priorities from my stand point. The OLB/pass rusher, while obviously important doesn't carry the same weight for me as directly doing all we can for Sam Mother F*ckin Darnold! 

Yup....build around Darnold and have an offense that's capable of putting up 40 every week.  You'll win plenty of games, get Darnold playing at an elite level and focus on the defense in a couple of years when you have a QB playing at an all-pro level.

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