NFL insider says Jets may have ruined Sam Darnold but QB could be an average starter elsewhere

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

And darnold was quite good looking in six games with bates (@ Detroit, Denver, Indianapolis, Houston, @Buffalo, and Green Bay) and , then he got genius gase.

Two of those six games were elite (Houston, Green Bay). 

Fixed your post for you. 

[Jetsfan80]

And darnold was quite good looking in year one with bates, then he got genius gase.
Also the Jets talent level is so utterly terrible there is not a good comparisons.
We will see sooner than later, as soon as next year when danold goes to another team whether he is Rosen or tannehill.

Darnold really wasn’t any good pre-Gase, either. He was a bottom 3 QB then, too.

Tannehill was about middle of the pack his first 3 years in the league.

[More Cowbell]

5 hours ago, munchmemory said:

“He has a great arm..."

I would argue that Darnold has a good, or average, arm.  A "great" arm is what guys like Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers possess.  I would never put Darnold in that group.

 

The guys you mentioned have canons by NFL standards, well not Murray or Willson who have strong arms but the other 3 are freaks. 

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Put him in Shanny’s offense, the zone blocking would give him better line play/calls and play action would be perfect for him. I’m an idiot, and I can see this clearly. How the Jets have failed to scout their own played in order to help him succeed is mind-boggling.

 

[pointman]

7 hours ago, munchmemory said:

“He has a great arm..."

I would argue that Darnold has a good, or average, arm.  A "great" arm is what guys like Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers possess.  I would never put Darnold in that group.

 

 

Every time I read his arm is strong and above average it tells me whoever is writing it doesn't know football or isn't watching Sam at all. His arm strength isn't impressive. He is no Matthew Stafford in any regard.. especially arm strength. 

[Losmeister]

7 hours ago, munchmemory said:

“He has a great arm..."

I would argue that Darnold has a good, or average, arm.  A "great" arm is what guys like Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers possess.  I would never put Darnold in that group.

 

avg at best, like qthing else he does as a qb

[14 in Green]

It's amazing to me how many guys did 180's on Darnold two weeks into this season after being fan boys right up until then.

What isn't amazing to me is how few have admitted they were wrong about him. 

 

[Jet2020]

In other words, Darnold requires all pros around him to be average. 

[14 in Green]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Darnold really wasn’t any good pre-Gase, either. He was a bottom 3 QB then, too.

 

 

Funny how you never said it back then though, isn't it? In fact you always disagreed with me for saying it.

Yet the last few weeks you've been shamelessly leading the charge against Darnold, acting like you knew all along how this would end up. 

Yuck.

 

[Dcat]

8 hours ago, Losmeister said:

 

[BurnleyJet]

Darnold got David Carr’ed, he’s shell shocked, every time the other team Blitz.

Kids got happy feet, and his confidence is shot. Stop rolling him out, I.R for his sake at least. Let’s get at least a 3rd rounder for him, and see how it goes? It’s all moot since we are restarting with either Lawrence or Fields.

[jetophile]

Who are these two "NFL insiders"?

[The Troll]

It’s all hard to say.  Just what were his expectations when he was drafted?  He was thrown right in with a crappy bunch of receivers and maybe a run game that better than he has now. He played well enough during his rookie year.  Then he gets mono and that knocks him back for 3 to 5 games and this season he got body slammed and now has an injured arm.  The thing is put the same run game tannehill has around darnold and We’d all be singing his praises.  The big arm can help but it way more important to keep the QBs clean.

Good idea. Let’s just give Sam the best run game in the league.

I wonder why we haven’t tried that yet.

[Philc1]

5 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

Darnold got David Carr’ed, he’s shell shocked, every time the other team Blitz.

Kids got happy feet, and his confidence is shot. Stop rolling him out, I.R for his sake at least. Let’s get at least a 3rd rounder for him, and see how it goes? It’s all moot since we are restarting with either Lawrence or Fields.

Having Adam Gase and these WRs is actually worse than what Carr went through

[munchmemory]

10 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

The guys you mentioned have canons by NFL standards, well not Murray or Willson who have strong arms but the other 3 are freaks. 

Take another look at Wilson and Murray.  I've seen both guys on the run put the ball 50 yards down the field like it was nothing.  And especially with Wilson, on the money, too, when making those throws.  Kyler Murray is like one step away with his accuracy from being IMO the best QB in the league.  

Though I agree that the others (like Elway, Favre...) have howitzers for arms.  I can't imagine trying to catch a bullet pass in a tight spot from those guys.  Probably break a finger if you don't grab it right.

[section314]

15 hours ago, munchmemory said:

“He has a great arm..."

I would argue that Darnold has a good, or average, arm.  A "great" arm is what guys like Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers possess.  I would never put Darnold in that group.

 

FWIW, I remember an interview DJ did this past spring on the radio. He was out in California watching Josh Allen, Sam and Joe Burrow work out together before the draft. The hosts were interested in how Burrow's arm strength measured up to the other two. DJ said you can't compare anyone to Allen, that he probably has the strongest arm on the planet. He said that Burrow had a nice arm, but it was nowhere close to Sam's . I found that very interesting.

[32EBoozer]

I could see Darnold having a Tannehill renaissance with another coaching staff and GM to surround him.

[munchmemory]

8 minutes ago, section314 said:

FWIW, I remember an interview DJ did this past spring on the radio. He was out in California watching Josh Allen, Sam and Joe Burrow work out together before the draft. The hosts were interested in how Burrow's arm strength measured up to the other two. DJ said you can't compare anyone to Allen, that he probably has the strongest arm on the planet. He said that Burrow had a nice arm, but it was nowhere close to Sam's . I found that very interesting.

Yeah, that really is interesting.   Watching Darnold the last three years, I just don't get that impression.  Do you (and others here) see it?   

[section314]

12 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

Yeah, that really is interesting.   Watching Darnold the last three years, I just don't get that impression.  Do you (and others here) see it?   

I've seen it in maybe not the obvious ways. With an Elway, Farve, Marino, you saw it in pretty much every throw. I see it in Sam in weird throws. I think it was in the 2nd Buffalo game this year, when Sam made a throw from the right hash marks, across the field, about 25 yards, over the LB and right on the $ to our receiver. It might have been Rich Gannon doing the game, and he was floored by what a great throw it was. It was probably a 40-45 yard toss, and right on target. You and I have thrown thousands of footballs in our lives, and we both know how hard it is to do something like that. Also, that TD he threw to Barrios in the Colts game, about 25 yard or so, on the run, into the corner of the end zone. Looked like Johnny Bench throwing to 2nd base. You remember those plays, I'm sure. You don't do those things at this level without having a very strong arm.

[munchmemory]

5 minutes ago, section314 said:

I've seen it in maybe not the obvious ways. With an Elway, Farve, Marino, you saw it in pretty much every throw. I see it in Sam in weird throws. I think it was in the 2nd Buffalo game this year, when Sam made a throw from the right hash marks, across the field, about 25 yards, over the LB and right on the $ to our receiver. It might have been Rich Gannon doing the game, and he was floored by what a great throw it was. It was probably a 40-45 yard toss, and right on target. You and I have thrown thousands of footballs in our lives, and we both know how hard it is to do something like that. Also, that TD he threw to Barrios in the Colts game, about 25 yard or so, on the run, into the corner of the end zone. Looked like Johnny Bench throwing to 2nd base. You remember those plays, I'm sure. You don't do those things at this level without having a very strong arm.

Good post and examples.  Still don't see it, but will look more closely I guess.  

[section314]

1 minute ago, munchmemory said:

Good post and examples.  Still don't see it, but will look more closely I guess.  

And to be fair to Sam, trying to take pain killers to play is not going to make his arm any better. He needs rest. Not an excuse, but common sense, something usually not associated with our favorite team.?

 

[joewilly12]

Just now, section314 said:

Sam, trying to take pain killers to play is not going to make his arm any better.

Fans need to take pain killers to watch this sh*t show. 

[FidelioJet]

Darnold is going surprise a lot of you.  H will be a vey starter in this league.   What the jets did is criminal.  

[section314]

2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Darnold is going surprise a lot of you.  H will be a vey starter in this league.   What the jets did is criminal.  

I have to say, in my heart of hearts, I feel this way too. And if Gase is here, we will be saying the same thing about Trevor or Fields in 3 years.

[UntouchableCrew]

Darnold will never be good enough of a decision maker to be great but I still think he could end up being a competent long term starter on a better team.

Plug him in on the Colts of 49ers in 2021 I think he'll be pretty damn good.

[Sperm Edwards]

Jets may have ‘ruined’ Sam Darnold, but QB could be an ‘average’ starter elsewhere.

This tepid, measured, non-committal opinion - by 1-2 people who may or may not even be studying his play for the Jets as closely as casual fans - is supposed to be some type of bombshell?

[jgb]

18 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

I agree, but I don't think they meant in terms of cannon.  I think they meant touch.  The thing that is so frustrating is that some of his throws have shocking accuracy.  The problem is the laok of consistency.   If you include the "touch" throws as arm talent and the consistency as accuracy, maybe you arrive at this quote.   

He also shows no spine on deep shots. Always throws it long like he's petrified of a pick.

[jgb]

3 hours ago, section314 said:

I have to say, in my heart of hearts, I feel this way too. And if Gase is here, we will be saying the same thing about Trevor or Fields in 3 years.

Things I would bet on before betting on Gase returning next year:

• The sun not rising tomorrow
• Trevor Lawrence joining a cult and quitting football to live in a trailer in the Nevada mountains with a harem of teen runaways (AKA "Pull a T0m Shane")
• Me pooping out a handful of diamonds
• Macc being hired as the next GM of the Steelers
• That Corona virus actually imbues its surviving victims with super powers and ushers in the Age of Mutants

[slimjasi]

33 minutes ago, jgb said:

 

• That Corona virus actually imbues its surviving victims with super powers and ushers in the Age of Mutants

[BettyBoop]

20 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

NFL insider says Jets may have ‘ruined’ Sam Darnold, but QB could be an ‘average’ starter elsewhere

Updated 11:55 AM; Today 11:54 AM 

NFL evaluators said Jets quarterback Sam Darnold has not had a talented supporting cast to help him succeed, but Darnold could do so with another team.Andrew Mills | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

 

By Chris Franklin | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

Two NFL insiders believe Jets quarterback Sam Darnold could still be a starter in the NFL, even if the Jets may have put him in a bad position to begin his career.

The Athletic revisited its rankings of NFL quarterbacks Thursday and reevaluated each player. The publication asked 50 coaches and evaluators to give their opinion on each of the quarterbacks in its survey.

Ranked a spot ahead of his New York counterpart Daniel Jones,a shoulder injury has limited Darnold this season, with the Jets quarterback playing in six games under center for a winless team this season that has the worst record in the NFL (0-9).

With Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence expected to be the top pick in the upcoming draft, Darnold could have value if the team decides to select Lawrence and move on from Darnold.

 

An anonymous general manager said that Darnold has talent but is concerned the Jets did not put enough pieces around the quarterback to succeed.

 

“Darnold has talent,” the general manager told the Athletic. “You just wonder if they have ruined it. He has played behind a poor offensive line, has had no weapons, he was throwing to really Jamison Crowder as his No. 1. If the Jets keep losing and get the top pick, you could see another team that needs a quarterback and has a better supporting cast acquiring Darnold in the offseason figuring maybe he can be an average starter, and you can win with that.”

 

An unidentified NFL coach liked Darnold coming out of college and thinks he can still be salvaged and become a good player in the future.

 

“We looked at him coming out of SC (Southern California), and we liked him, it was all good, but the thing from watching his game tape and seeing him in person was, he has never been the most accurate guy,” another coach said. “He has a great arm, he can make some throws, but I question his accuracy. I do think maybe he can be a good starter because he can move and throw the ball on the move, but it’s just so hard to say right now because of what he has been facing there.”

 

 

 

Darnold had also been without two of his top wide receivers, Jameson Crowder and Denzel Mims, making things even more challenging for him for most of the season.

 

The Jets are currently on a bye week and will play the Los Angeles Chargers Nov. 22.

The infamous “NFL Insider” and “anonymous GM”.   Oh please.

[jgb]

It's like saying a dog turd was ruined by being out in the sun too long. Darnold doesn't have it. And never will. Average starter is best-case, pie-in-the-sky upside. Him being a nice, humble kid is the only thing holding his value now. If he had Josh Rosen's personality to go with his on-field performance, he'd be on everyone's "biggest bust" lists.

[section314]

57 minutes ago, jgb said:

Things I would bet on before betting on Gase returning next year:

• The sun not rising tomorrow
• Trevor Lawrence joining a cult and quitting football to live in a trailer in the Nevada mountains with a harem of teen runaways (AKA "Pull a T0m Shane")
• Me pooping out a handful of diamonds
• Macc being hired as the next GM of the Steelers
• That Corona virus actually imbues its surviving victims with super powers and ushers in the Age of Mutants

I like your list, but before I sign on the dotted line, can you assure me of one small thing? That the Johnson's have nothing to do with any part of it?? Because as we've all seen, they could F**k up a wet dream.

[jgb]

Just now, section314 said:

I like your list, but before I sign on the dotted line, can you assure me of one small thing? That the Johnson's have nothing to do with any part of it?? Because as we've all seen, they could F**k up a wet dream.

This is where media helps us. No ways Johnsons welcome the media sheet storm that will follow if they keep Gase on. 0.0000000000% chance.

[section314]

Just now, jgb said:

This is where media helps us. No ways Johnsons welcome the media sheet storm that will follow if they keep Gase on. 0.0000000000% chance.

Totally agree with this.

[Larz]

He’s a culture changer damnit!!!!!