Adam Schefter: 1 Team In Best Position For Deshaun Watson Trade

[Scoop24]

3 hours ago, jetsons said:

The jets NEED ALL the Capital they have to "Build" the Team... A Very Good QB "may" help a mediocre team win games... A Great Team "Will" help a mediocre QB win games.... Build the Team. 

No mediocre QB is winning rings in todays nfl. Ask the rams.

[jetsons]

5 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

No mediocre QB is winning rings in todays nfl. Ask the rams.

Just as no "Elite" QB is winning one with a mediocre team. 

[Bronx]

Watson will be the only QB that I would be interested in spending a #2 pick this year. Darnold's upside is greater than Wilson (fit for WCO but size/injuries are a concern) and Fields (not fit for spread zone, play action).

Otherwise, Sewell.

[Scoop24]

6 minutes ago, jetsons said:

Just as no "Elite" QB is winning one with a mediocre team. 

Jets have plenty assets to build a team around a Elite QB. Especially since players love going to teams with Elite QBs,  do you think players are taking less to play with Sam darnold? 

[Vader]

1 hour ago, extmenace said:

It’s become blatantly obvious Watson wants to play for a minority coach. Jets, Dolphins would fit that bill. So do a couple of other teams. I think the Texans will ultimately hire Bieniemy or another minority candidate to appease Watson and put out the fire. 

Robert Saleh isn’t really necessarily a minority coach though. According to the census, semites (many middle Easterners, like Levantines, Arabs and Jews) are considered white, and Caucasian.

it’s a possibly sensitive topic but it’s a question that only Saleh can answer.

[T0mShane]

7 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The Dolphins are in a much better position then the jets to get watson.

This is true, which makes it interesting that Schefter says it’s the Jets, which would indicate that somebody gave him that line to use, and it’s Watson’s agent who seems to be doing most of the leaking right now. 

[KRL]

This isn't going to happen, Douglas actions show that he wants to build
this team properly and for the long term.  He's not going to give up
a ton of picks and cap flexibility to make a splash (ala Tannenbaum).
If Douglas has a good off-season and addresses the issues the team has
(DE, CB, G, WR) maybe in 2022 we'll be in position to make a splash
move.  Don't get caught in limbo like DET & HOU where you have a high
priced QB producing stats but the team stinks

[jetsons]

25 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

Jets have plenty assets to build a team around a Elite QB. Especially since players love going to teams with Elite QBs,  do you think players are taking less to play with Sam darnold? 

not if they plan on giving those assets away.

[Scoop24]

1 minute ago, jetsons said:

not if they plan on giving those assets away.

Trading jamal adams (2 1st) and 1st isnt holding the jets back from building a team. 

[Scoop24]

5 minutes ago, KRL said:

This isn't going to happen, Douglas actions show that he wants to build
this team properly and for the long term.  He's not going to give up
a ton of picks and cap flexibility to make a splash (ala Tannenbaum).
If Douglas has a good off-season and addresses the issues the team has
(DE, CB, G, WR) maybe in 2022 we'll be in position to make a splash
move.  Don't get caught in limbo like DET & HOU where you have a high
priced QB producing stats but the team stinks

We should be more like the rams right? have elite team and watch our average QB get out gunned every year By the Elite Qbs. 
 

what splash are you making in 2022? How  often are QB like Watson available? 

[FlightBoyz]

Watson still needs to say "I want to play for the NY Jets".

[KRL]

1 minute ago, Scoop24 said:

We should be more like the rams right? have elite team and watch our average QB get out gunned every year By the Elite Qbs. 

So you make the trade, how do you contstruct the rest of the team?
What does your off-season look like with draft picks gone and cap
space swallowed up?

[Augustiniak]

15 minutes ago, KRL said:

This isn't going to happen, Douglas actions show that he wants to build
this team properly and for the long term.  He's not going to give up
a ton of picks and cap flexibility to make a splash (ala Tannenbaum).
If Douglas has a good off-season and addresses the issues the team has
(DE, CB, G, WR) maybe in 2022 we'll be in position to make a splash
move.  Don't get caught in limbo like DET & HOU where you have a high
priced QB producing stats but the team stinks

Exactly.  Douglas wants to draft his team and build long term success, not mccagnan it and limit his window and cap flexibility.  If mccagnan were still the gm I’d be worried, but then again he would have signed adams to a mega deal and they wouldn’t have the extra picks to even consider such a deal. 

[Dunnie]

So you make the trade, how do you contstruct the rest of the team?
What does your off-season look like with draft picks gone and cap
space swallowed up?

This!!!!

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[Scoop24]

1 minute ago, KRL said:

So you make the trade, how do you contstruct the rest of the team?
What does your off-season look like with draft picks gone and cap
space swallowed up?

Using DJ mock trade for example. How are your draft picks gone you still would have 1st every single year but one? Jets have 2 1st in next 2 drafts that absolutely can get creative with a deal.

Cap space wouldnt be gone where on verge of having a 100 million with nobody to pay as usual. His 40 million will leave you with more than decent amount cap left . Not to mention the trade would force Houston to pay most if not all his bonus money. 
 

The idea that acquiring Watson wouldn't allow you to build a team is ridiculous. 

[Dunnie]

Using DJ mock trade for example. How are your draft picks gone you still would have 1st every single year but one? Jets have 2 1st in next 2 drafts that absolutely can get creative with a deal.
Cap space wouldnt be gone where on verge of having a 100 million with nobody to pay as usual. His 40 million will leave you with more than decent amount cap left . Not to mention the trade would force Houston to pay most if not all his bonus money. 
 
The idea that acquiring Watson wouldn't allow you to build a team is ridiculous. 

https://fansided.com/2020/01/04/deshaun-watson-playoff-performances-stats/

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[The Crusher]

5 hours ago, SAR I said:

The Jets pick ahead of the Dolphins and will take the very quarterback that the Texans want unless the Texans give us a quarterback themselves.   

The Dolphins are a non-factor. The Jets hold all the cards.  Houston will give us Watson at below-market value because the alternative is bleak.  Instead of moving from Watson to Fields, they’ll be forced to move from Watson to Darnold.  And no decent head coaching candidate will want to sign up for that, their search hinges on this. This may happen very quickly.   

SAR I

This is really the rub.. Do the Texans want the 2nd or 3rd best QB in draft for Deshaun Watson? People need to zip the they want Tua  thing, it’s preposterous. 

[Scoop24]

5 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

https://fansided.com/2020/01/04/deshaun-watson-playoff-performances-stats/

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Save me your playoff stats. Jets have had the worst QB situation in league forever now. Your not even competing in this league with out QB. We should know that better than anyone.

[Cp561]

59 minutes ago, jetsons said:

Just as no "Elite" QB is winning one with a mediocre team. 

Hes 25 , they can build around him in years to come through free agency and the other picks we would still have

[Cp561]

31 minutes ago, KRL said:

This isn't going to happen, Douglas actions show that he wants to build
this team properly and for the long term.  He's not going to give up
a ton of picks and cap flexibility to make a splash (ala Tannenbaum).
If Douglas has a good off-season and addresses the issues the team has
(DE, CB, G, WR) maybe in 2022 we'll be in position to make a splash
move.  Don't get caught in limbo like DET & HOU where you have a high
priced QB producing stats but the team stinks

Id agree but when a situation like this presents itself you change course. 25 yr old elite QBs in their prime, with no question marks dont ever come loose

[riggy001]

4 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

Using DJ mock trade for example. How are your draft picks gone you still would have 1st every single year but one? Jets have 2 1st in next 2 drafts that absolutely can get creative with a deal.

Cap space wouldnt be gone where on verge of having a 100 million with nobody to pay as usual. His 40 million will leave you with more than decent amount cap left . Not to mention the trade would force Houston to pay most if not all his bonus money. 
 

The idea that acquiring Watson wouldn't allow you to build a team is ridiculous. 

100% agree, let’s start with facts in making any arguments, this thread is already filled with a bunch of misinformation. Watson is only a 16 mill cap hit next yr, so the impact on free agency for 2021 is minimal. After that his salary escalates to over 30 million, just like other franchise qbs ...and if you keep Darnold you will be paying him over 20 mill in 2022, which is beyond ridiculous...

[Lizard King]

Holy immediate twist of fortune Batman

[68JET11]

How many times does one have to say NO, NO, and again NO....   If JD does this with the draft capital we have, then I have lost faith in him. If he does it with just the #2, then maybe ok. I would not trade any other pick than that, and I'm sure Houston won't take it, but that's the deal, Take it or leave it.

 

[jetsons]

31 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

Trading jamal adams (2 1st) and 1st isnt holding the jets back from building a team. 

not too sure what that sentence means... but I do know that if you plan on giving away your 1st rd pick for the next 3 - 4 years you will have difficulty in building an elite team.

[section314]

34 minutes ago, KRL said:

This isn't going to happen, Douglas actions show that he wants to build
this team properly and for the long term.  He's not going to give up
a ton of picks and cap flexibility to make a splash (ala Tannenbaum).
If Douglas has a good off-season and addresses the issues the team has
(DE, CB, G, WR) maybe in 2022 we'll be in position to make a splash
move.  Don't get caught in limbo like DET & HOU where you have a high
priced QB producing stats but the team stinks

The only stat that matters is W/L.

[32EBoozer]

7 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The Dolphins are in a much better position then the jets to get watson.

Do you think owner and GM want to reward him with a probable playoff team  and seeing him on Madden cover after forcing his way out? Allows team to save some face sending him to hell and a slow career death

[Warfish]

7 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

I'm assuming you mean '21, '22, and '23.  That would be tough to swallow but I can't argue that it's not worth it, especially since we have two 1sts from Seattle.  The trade would essentially look like Jamal Adams + 1st round pick for Deshaun Watson.  Not too many people would balk at that.  

Jamal Adams and more (in the form of our own 2021 1st and 2022 1st, not Seattle's lower picks) + 2018 1st and 3x 2nd Round Picks and three seasons of poor play (Darnold sunk cost) + 3 years of not having Watson play QB for us + our 2023 1st.

All for a QB some of us knew we should have just drafted instead of Jamal Adams in the first place.

Yeah, I get it, today, ignoring the past, the deal may look ok.

But knowing the past, it's painful.  Sorry, but it is.  This is a guy that should have cost us one 1st round pick, #6 in 2017.

Now we might get him, four seasons later, for three #1 picks, including pick #2 in 2021.

Again, I get it, Watson is a top 5 QB, a legit franchise QB.  But man, could we ever just draft the right guy when it comes to QB's?

[Mo Lew]

44 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is true, which makes it interesting that Schefter says it’s the Jets, which would indicate that somebody gave him that line to use, and it’s Watson’s agent who seems to be doing most of the leaking right now. 

No it’s not. Watson may like the Fins better but that’s not really important as long as he doesn’t hate the Jets. 
 

We have the ammo to get this done and however we play it, aggressive vs. cat and mouse doesn’t matter. Just get it done. 
 

The Texans only won 4 games because their players quit on the defensive side of the ball. We won 2 games and our players never quit. You have to get him if at all possible. 

 

[Mo Lew]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Jamal Adams and more (in the form of our own 2021 1st and 2022 1st, not Seattle's lower picks) + 2018 1st and 3x 2nd Round Picks and three seasons of poor play (Darnold sunk cost) + 3 years of not having Watson play QB for us + our 2023 1st.

All for a QB some of us knew we should have just drafted instead of Jamal Adams in the first place.

Yeah, I get it, today, ignoring the past, the deal may look ok.

But knowing the past, it's painful.  Sorry, but it is.  This is a guy that should have cost us one 1st round pick, #6 in 2017.

Now we might get him, four seasons later, for three #1 picks, including pick #2 in 2021.

Again, I get it, Watson is a top 5 QB, a legit franchise QB.  But man, could we ever just draft the right guy when it comes to QB's?

Get over it man. Put the past to bed already. 

[section314]

7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Jamal Adams and more (in the form of our own 2021 1st and 2022 1st, not Seattle's lower picks) + 2018 1st and 3x 2nd Round Picks and three seasons of poor play (Darnold sunk cost) + 3 years of not having Watson play QB for us + our 2023 1st.

All for a QB some of us knew we should have just drafted instead of Jamal Adams in the first place.

Yeah, I get it, today, ignoring the past, the deal may look ok.

But knowing the past, it's painful.  Sorry, but it is.  This is a guy that should have cost us one 1st round pick, #6 in 2017.

Now we might get him, four seasons later, for three #1 picks, including pick #2 in 2021.

Again, I get it, Watson is a top 5 QB, a legit franchise QB.  But man, could we ever just draft the right guy when it comes to QB's?

Then forget this Watson nonsense, stay where we are, or do a trade down, and let our GM and scouts draft the right guy.

[More Cowbell]

Think about it. Watson wants to play for the HC the Jets hired. A top 5 QB wants to play here. He wants to come to this dumpster fire  called the Jets. 

You really want this guy? I don't  care what is going on with the Texans. They are better off than we are. 

[32EBoozer]

42 minutes ago, KRL said:

This isn't going to happen, Douglas actions show that he wants to build
this team properly and for the long term.  He's not going to give up
a ton of picks and cap flexibility to make a splash (ala Tannenbaum).
If Douglas has a good off-season and addresses the issues the team has
(DE, CB, G, WR) maybe in 2022 we'll be in position to make a splash
move.  Don't get caught in limbo like DET & HOU where you have a high
priced QB producing stats but the team stinks

What would Saleh want? New coach looking for a QB who could run the offense as Lefleur envisions it. They better be having the discussion. JD would be taking on a ton of responsibility and pressure in nailing our draft picks. No more punters and middling OL picks. A FQB glosses over a ton of draft ineptitude. Ask Brady and Rogers etc. 

[sec101row23]

Deshaun is not waiving his no trade clause to come to the Jets, never going to happen.  Please don’t get your hopes up, you’ll only be disappointed.   

[Ruby2]

50 minutes ago, KRL said:

This isn't going to happen, Douglas actions show that he wants to build
this team properly and for the long term.  He's not going to give up
a ton of picks and cap flexibility to make a splash (ala Tannenbaum).
If Douglas has a good off-season and addresses the issues the team has
(DE, CB, G, WR) maybe in 2022 we'll be in position to make a splash
move.  Don't get caught in limbo like DET & HOU where you have a high
priced QB producing stats but the team stinks

KRL your the man but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with most of this. Tannenbaum traded away resources and picks when he didn't really have any excess amounts of them, to then be further up against the cap and have to play crazy games.

We have the picks, we have the cap. Its a very different situation. Douglas's has already played the long term game, trading Adams, moving back in the draft last year, freeing up more cap. Now its time to cash those chips in.

And, lets also not get to revisionist in the Texans history. Sure they sucked this year, but they have been a perennial contender and playoff team since Watson has arrived. Hell, if it wasn't for that weird chinned fat slob they've had as coach and overall maniacal gm, they could have advanced even further.

Y'all are really overthinking this. We don't want to over pay but we shouldn't have to, Texans have little leverage herr. Sam, this years 2, next years one, and you can even throw in another 2ndor 3rd rounder. Thats fair all things considered. 

Jets fans are so battered and abused, just let this happen, its good.

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, section314 said:

Then forget this Watson nonsense, stay where we are, or do a trade down, and let our GM and scouts dfaft the right guy.

What’s more likely: 

A. Sam Darnold or Justin Fields or Pasty BYU Gimp become comparable QBs to Deshaun Watson

-or-

B. Watson is good enough that the net return on the deal favors the Jets, with Watson being better than Darnold/Fields/Paste, the #23, and next year’s 15th(?) overall. 
 

If I’m Douglas and Saleh and LaFleur, I know which bet I’m taking.