dcJet Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: 2019: Jets 24 Dallas 22 Dak 28/40, 278 yards no tds Sam Darnold 23/32 338 yards 2 tds. BOOM! Sam had 338 that game. Dak average per game last year - 371. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, dcJet said: Sam had 338 that game. Dak average per game last year - 371. Look at Dak's wide receivers, offensive lineman and running back. Then look at ours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Alot of money for a game manager. The black version of Alex Smith. Good luck Cowboys! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Good for Dak. He bet on himself, and win big And most of this board thought he was crazy for doing so, and that there was no way he'd get 40 mil per year Getting $40M and being worth it are two different things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, dcJet said: Sam had 338 that game. Dak average per game last year - 371. Sam's best game in his career, is against an 8-8 Cowboys team in the regular season lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Wow! Good for him. If anyone thinks Deshaun Watson is playing for $10mm next year you're insane. That's a really good point. But would Texans play hardball with him and see if he sits out? Don't see him doing that. 10M is nothing to sneeze at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 How have the Cowboys been able to work all these guys into the cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, clayton163v said: Look at Dak's wide receivers, offensive lineman and running back. Then look at ours. Not only weapponzzz... but trust too. Dak's coaches will let him throw it 50 times a game. Genoldchez coaches don't wanna throw so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Jerry Jones single handedly ruining the QB market for the next several years. Dake has 1 playoff victory and a bunch of ehhh moments. Good lord. What is he is the 4th best player on his own offense? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, MichaelScott said: They seemingly didn't want to pay him 40mil+ the last couple seasons but finally give him the contract after he broke his leg off? Great for Dak after what he went through this season, just not sure I get the logic on the Cowboys side. What's Jerry supposed to do? Trade for Darnold. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Barton said: Jerry Jones single handedly ruining the QB market for the next several years. Dake has 1 playoff victory and a bunch of ehhh moments. Good lord. What is he is the 4th best player on his own offense? Jerry Jones believes in Dak Prescott. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Do the Jets sign Darnold to 25 mill a year if the Jets go 10-6 and win a wild card game? Thanks, Jerry. I could see Watson getting this kind of $$. Dak? Dak?? Do people watch the games? He's a good player but with a cast of superior players around him, and his team never goes anywhere. Thrown for more than 25 TDs just once in his career. Cowboys are going NOWHERE. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Beaver said: Holy sh*t dude that’s hysterical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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More Cowbell Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: in 2019 Dak Prescott 4902 yards 30 TD's 11 INT's Sam Darnold his entire career stats dont equal that. In 2020 Dak Prescott played 5 games before his injury 1856 yards 9TD's 4 INT's In 2020 Sam Darnold played 12 games 2208 yards 9 TD's 11 INT's Yeah, Dak is a slightly above average QB. We aren't talking about a talent like Brees, Rogers, or Mahomes. He isn't worth this money. The Cowboys are idiots. The comparison was based on Dak not being a great talent. He plays on a team that is on the talent level of KC as far as skill positions. Funny thing though, for this kind of money, Dak has one playoff victory more than Sam. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Jets Things said: Pretty nice scratch for someone whose ankle exploded five months ago. Jerry Jones is a moron. My first thought as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 $40M per? Even before his gruesome injury he wasn't worth anything close to this. Dallas are fk ups. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, King P said: They created this dilemma by putting the QB position at the head of the table. Now they have to lie in the bed they made And if they do, they will ruin the league. So be it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, dcJet said: Sam had 338 that game. Dak average per game last year - 371. So dak is slightly better than Darnold on a team with zero talent Bingo! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 At what point do the players make so much no one but big corporations can’t afford to watch the games? The contracts are ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: So dak is slightly better than Darnold on a team with zero talent Bingo! Math! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Yeah, Dak is a slightly above average QB. We aren't talking about a talent like Brees, Rogers, or Mahomes. He isn't worth this money. The Cowboys are idiots. The comparison was based on Dak not being a great talent. He plays on a team that is on the talent level of KC as far as skill positions. Funny thing though, for this kind of money, Dak has one playoff victory more than Sam. Who do you think has the brighter future as far as wins and playoff possibly Super Bowl appearances and will be in the NFL longer. Darnold or Prescott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 You Darnoldians and Dakhaterians don't know what good QB'ing is because you've probably never seen it. Since 2000, the Jets have had just one good season of QB'ing and it was the Fitzmagic year. No wonder you don't know what good QB'ing looks like Get NFL RedZone. Catch up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 12 Years of Super Bowl Winning Quarterbacks; Their salary at the time of winning the SB 2020 Tom Brady 28 Million, (including all achieved incentives) below market deal 2019 Patrick Mahomes. 4 Million, including signing bonus (on a rookie contract) 2018 Tom Brady 15 Million ( by extending/spreading signing bonus past deal over 4 years) 2017 Nick Foles 4.4 Million ( Carson Wentz injured but on a rookie contract 6.6 Million)) 2016 Tom Brady 14.7 Million ( by extending/spreading signing bonus past deal over 4 years) 2015 Peyton Manning 15 Million (took a 5 Million pay cut) 2014 Tom Brady 19 Million (2013 the Pats got a huge break on a 3 year contract) 2013 Russell Willson 526 K (169 K performance Bonus) on a rookie contract 2012 Joe Flacco 6.76 Million rookie contract (then signed a big contract, never returned to SB) 2011 Eli Manning. 16.25 Million 2010 Aaron Rodgers 10.5 Million 2009 Drew Brees 12.9 Million * * * So many things have to go right to win a Super Bowl. Having a 40 Million a year quarterback eating up over 20% of your salary cap makes winning a Super Bowl that much harder. Even allowing for the significantly lower salary caps in the previous twelve years, we have only ever seen one quarterback ever win the Super Bowl with a combined total salary over 20 million for the year they won the Super Bowl and that was just over a month ago, Tom Brady and Tampa Bay's 28 million, below market deal. Even if Mahomes had won it this year, he only counted for 10 Million against the cap in the first year of his mega deal. Mahomes has a low, low cap figure for two more years, after 2023 (like so many teams) the Chiefs are gambling heavily on the salary cap exploding upwards. If it doesn't their roster will suffer because of Mahomes contract. In these twelve most recent years, the QBs on rookie deals who have managed to win a super bowl, on their subsequent post-rookie contract, market value deal...none have yet to return and win the super bowl. This is only a twelve year sample size but it suggests, that winning a super bowl with even a top ten qb on a top of the market deal is damnably hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, Gangrene said: So many things have to go right to win a Super Bowl. Having a 40 Million a year quarterback eating up over 20% of your salary cap makes winning a Super Bowl that much harder. Even allowing for the significantly lower salary caps in the previous twelve years, we have only ever seen one quarterback ever win the Super Bowl with a combined total salary over 20 million for the year they won the Super Bowl and that was just over a month ago, Tom Brady and Tampa Bay's 28 million, below market deal. Even if Mahomes had won it this year, he only counted for 10 Million against the cap in the first year of his mega deal. Mahomes has a low, low cap figure for two more years, after 2023 (like so many teams) the Chiefs are gambling heavily on the salary cap exploding upwards. If it doesn't their roster will suffer because of Mahomes contract. In these twelve most recent years, the QBs on rookie deals who have managed to win a super bowl, on their subsequent post-rookie contract, market value deal...none have yet to return and win the super bowl. This is only a twelve year sample size but it suggests, that winning a super bowl with even a top ten qb on a top of the market deal is damnably hard. 12 Years of Super Bowl Winning Quarterbacks; Their salary at the time of winning the SB 2020 Tom Brady 28 Million, (including all achieved incentives) below market deal 2019 Patrick Mahones. 4 Million, including signing bonus (on a rookie contract) 2018 Tom Brady 15 Million ( by extending/spreading signing bonus past deal over 4 years) 2017 Nick Foles 4.4 Million ( Carson Wentz injured but on a rookie contract 6.6 Million)) 2016 Tom Brady 14.7 Million ( by extending/spreading signing bonus past deal over 4 years) 2015 Peyton Manning 15 Million (took a 5 Million pay cut) 2014 Tom Brady 19 Million (2013 the Pats got a huge break on a 3 year contract) 2013 Russell Willson 526 K (169 K performance Bonus) on a rookie contract 2012 Joe Flacco 6.76 Million rookie contract (then signed a big contract, never returned to SB) 2011 Eli Manning. 16.25 Million 2010 Aaron Rodgers 10.5 Million 2009 Drew Brees 12.9 Million Dallas has something like 5 or or 6 players accounting for 67% of the cap. They better hit on their draft picks. Jerry definitely should have not handed out extensions to Zeek and Jaylon Smith. He lost Byron Jones last year and will lose Gallup next year as a result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 55 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Who do you think has the brighter future as far as wins and playoff possibly Super Bowl appearances and will be in the NFL longer. Darnold or Prescott. How can you even compare them? Dak plays behind the best OL in the NFL, has a top 3 RB to hand off to, has a ture #1 WR, in Cooper and his 2 and 3 are Gallup and Lamb. The only spot that O isn't loaded at is TE. You want to compare that to what Sam has been playing with? Dak should be in the SB every season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 the QB money is out of control. Dallas was in between a rock and a hard place. what were they going to do let him go? then what? bring in Bridgewater? Darnold? i dont like Dak, i dont think hes all that good, but he has to be between 10-15 of the best QBs in the league. the NFLPA needs to work with the owners and put a cap on QB salaries. seriously. there hurting the other players. how many players cant get what the deserve because theres no money left cause the QB is eating up so much cap space. but of course the NFLPA would never do that even though it hurts 90% of its members. and raising the cap will just make the QBs get even bigger contracts. they of course want to get rid of the cap. but the owners will never do it. cant blame Jerry, he was the next guy. and the next QB whos pretty good will get the same. hell if Sam was a decent QB we would be paying him similar money next year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Jerry being Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 hours ago, More Cowbell said: How can you even compare them? Dak plays behind the best OL in the NFL, has a top 3 RB to hand off to, has a ture #1 WR, in Cooper and his 2 and 3 are Gallup and Lamb. The only spot that O isn't loaded at is TE. You want to compare that to what Sam has been playing with? Dak should be in the SB every season. Football isn’t a team sport you Sam-lover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Dunnie said: You got it .. name your price Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app $50 to St Jude’s. Deshaun Watson is on the Jets roster to start the 2021 NFL Season. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 7 hours ago, doitny said: the NFLPA needs to work with the owners and put a cap on QB salaries. seriously. there hurting the other players. how many players cant get what the deserve because theres no money left cause the QB is eating up so much cap space. Teams should be allowed to designate one player salary that doesn’t count against the cap, but which can’t be applied to a free agent. Most teams will use it on their QB, and it doesn’t penalize them for picking a great player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 10 hours ago, clayton163v said: Look at Dak's wide receivers, offensive lineman and running back. Then look at ours. Thank you Dak was in a great offensive team the Jets not so much! Let Dak have the worst OL in the NFL , no HOF RB and no great WRs!!!! $40 Million for Dak is NUTS!!! Sam Darnold can definitely get to his level with the Dallas talent around him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sec101row23 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Dak’s deal tells me that the cap for 2021 is going to higher than a lot of people were thinking it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 $50 to St Jude’s. Deshaun Watson is on the Jets roster to start the 2021 NFL Season. Love that it's my charity of choice for personal reasons.Your on .... $100 to St Jude that Wilson is on the roster. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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