Training Camp 7/31 - first fan allowed practice.

[Matt39]

 

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By Rich Cimini
ESPNNewYork.com

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- A look at what's happening around the New York Jets:

1. Lots of green: The Jets probably have the youngest quarterback room in the NFL. How young? Let's put it this way: No one can tell first-hand stories about the days of the rotary phone, and that includes the coaches.

The tragic death of assistant Greg Knapp, 58, the resident sage, has left the Jets without an experienced quarterback coach. It's noteworthy because, as everybody knows, the development of prized rookie Zach Wilson is priority No. 1 for the organization.

The group is led by Mike LaFleur, 34, a first-time offensive coordinator and playcaller. The Jets' quarterbacks coach is Rob Calabrese, 31, a first-time position coach.

Coach Robert Saleh, whose expertise is on the other side of the ball, was counting on Knapp to groom Wilson, Mike White and James Morgan, none of whom has regular-season experience. Their average age is 23.7. Knapp brought 25 years of experience to the room, having coached an impressive group of quarterbacks that includes Pro Football Hall of Famers Steve Young and Peyton Manning.

Former NFL quarterback and ESPN analyst Dan Orlovsky believes the lack of experience could affect Wilson.

"Imagine having to learn how to ride a bike with no one who knows how to do it, how to teach you, nor anyone to show you how to do it," Orlovsky said.

 

The Jets aren't going to replace Knapp, per se, but they will re-distribute the workload for the coaches. Saleh said they will revert to a traditional set-up, with the coordinator and position coach working with the quarterbacks. Knapp's position, passing-game specialist, was a "bonus" on the staff, according to Saleh. Perhaps, but Knapp was the primary voice in the room.

Saleh is leaning on LaFleur, the younger brother of Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur, to coach beyond his years. After seven years at the side of San Francisco 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan, LaFleur is on his own, with no veteran sounding board.

"I know he's a very young coach, but he's advanced in terms of what he's learned and the people he's been around since he started coaching," Saleh said.

2. Silver lining playbook: White and Morgan split the reps during Wilson's absence, giving the coaches and front office an extended look at the two young quarterbacks. White wasn't great, but he outperformed Morgan, and it wasn't close. Unless they import a veteran -- Saleh seems opposed to that idea -- White is the favorite to be the regular season QB2.

That would set up an interesting decision: Would they cut Morgan with the idea of bringing him back for the practice squad? He'd be exposed to waivers, and general manager Joe Douglas might not want to risk one of his draft choices. The alternative is to carry three QBs on the 53-man roster, but that seems like a waste of a spot.

Morgan, a 2020 fourth-round pick from Florida International, was a curious pick at the time. And it hasn't aged well.

3. Money matters: In case you're wondering, Wilson's $35 million guarantee (his entire contract) is the fourth-highest in franchise history, behind C.J. Mosley ($43 million), Darrelle Revis ($39 million) and Muhammad Wilkerson ($37 million). These were the amounts that were guaranteed at signing.

Wilson landed the richest rookie deal, surpassing defensive tackle Quinnen Williams ($32.5 million).

	Linebacker C.J. Mosley, who signed a five-year deal with the Jets in March 2019, has only played in two games for New York.

4. Incredible shrinking linebacker: Mosley, listed at 250 pounds when he last played in 2019, reported to training camp at 231, his college weight at Alabama. He looks like a different person.

After opting out in 2020 and missing 14 games in 2019, Mosley has a lot to prove and he sounds highly motivated to show he's still the player who made four Pro Bowls with the Baltimore Ravens. Whenever he sees highlights of himself on TV, it's always the same game -- his impressive Jets debut in the 2019 opener against the Buffalo Bills. That seems so long ago.

"Honestly, I'm tired of seeing the same highlights for the past two years, so I'm ready to put new highlights on tape," he said. "Different body type, different body feeling, different defense, different mentality, different mindset. Everyone saw that game, it’s going to be way better this year and years to come."

Mosley has made a lot of money ($29 million) while accumulating a lot of rust over the past two years. It might take him a few weeks to chip it off, but he will surprise some folks in 2021.

5. Musical kickers: It wouldn't be Jets training camp without a story about the search for a place-kicker. They've gone through four regular-season kickers in the past two seasons -- Kaare Vedvik, Sam Ficken, Sergio Castillo and Chase McLaughlin. There will be a new kicker this season now that Ficken, erratic in camp, is gone. The current competition is between rookie Chris Naggar and newcomer Matt Ammendola, who spent a couple of months with the Carolina Panthers earlier this spring

The Jets haven't had a good kicker since Jason Myers made the Pro Bowl in 2018. They let him walk as a free agent, and they haven't recovered.

	Jets fans are taking in opportunities to see some of their favorite players on the field during training camp in Florham Park, New Jersey.

6. Carter country: After four padless practices, the Jets will put on the full equipment Monday -- the true start to training camp, according to purists. The player I'm most eager to see is rookie running back Michael Carter, who looked terrific over the first few days. He displayed a knack for finding daylight, with an ability to slide through holes and get vertical with a nice burst.

Let's hold the applause, though. It's hard to evaluate running backs when there's no real hitting. The intensity will be raised on Monday, and it will go higher in the preseason games. The fourth-round pick from North Carolina, who could have a prominent role,  is one to watch.

7. Big Blue in '22? The Jets are having joint practices with two of their preseason opponents, the Packers and Philadelphia Eagles. Why not the New York Giants, too? Actually, they had talks with the Giants about practicing together. Saleh said he hopes they can make it happen next year.

Longtime fans will remember the last Jets-Giants practice. It was 2005, in Albany, New York, a day marked by several fights and a shouting match between Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson and Giants coach Tom Coughlin. I was there and witnessed the entire mess; it was as if the Jets were hellbent of playing the role of neighborhood bully. Ah, memories.

The Jets open the preseason Aug. 14 against the Giants.

8. Motown to Big Apple: Linebacker Jarrad Davis is the classic "change-of-scenery" player. The 2017 first-round pick had a tough time with the Detroit Lions for four seasons, so tough that he revealed, "I contemplated walking away, I really did, man."

He got benched and "burned out," saying he let football overtake his life. It couldn't have been much fun playing for coach Matt Patricia, a gruff, Bill Belichick wannabe who was in over his head. In short, Davis was miserable. Players have talked that way about the Jets, most recently quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, who said his second season with the Jets (2016) nearly destroyed his love of football.

Davis, who saw a therapist to help him deal with some emotional issues, said he feels revitalized under the charismatic Saleh, also noting the Jets' 4-3 scheme is ideally suited to his skill set. Culture and scheme fit are so important in the NFL. Davis, the Jets' starting strong-side linebacker, has a fresh start. A career turnaround would certainly help the Jets' reputation, which has been Lions-like in recent years.

9. Crystal ball: Denzel Mims is no better than fifth in the pecking order at wide receiver. He was a 2020 second-round pick. This is a storyline worth following this summer.

10. The last word: "He had this light that he let shine, that attracted people to him. Just in the short time we were together in OTAs, he never had a bad day. I wish I had more time with him. I think everybody does." -- guard Greg Van Roten on Knapp.

 

 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

9. Crystal ball: Denzel Mims is no better than fifth in the pecking order at wide receiver. He was a 2020 second-round pick. This is a storyline worth following this summer.

Wow, great insight there Rich. 
 

Also they won’t be in full pads till Tuesday. 

[munchmemory]

I did not recognize Mosley now 20 pounds lighter.   That's gotta impact his game, no?  

I hope it all goes well for him.  But this guy has been a weird cluster headache from the start.

[Dinamite]

9 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

I did not recognize Mosley now 20 pounds lighter.   That's gotta impact his game, no?  

I hope it all goes well for him.  But this guy has been a weird cluster headache from the start.

Doesn't that help the switch from a 3-4 linebacker to a 4-3 one? I would think it may have been by design.

[Ghost420]

Are they off today?

[derp]

12 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

I did not recognize Mosley now 20 pounds lighter.   That's gotta impact his game, no?  

I hope it all goes well for him.  But this guy has been a weird cluster headache from the start.

I don’t think SF had a starter above 230 last year. Would imagine he cut weight to better fit wha the scheme needs him to do. I viewed the weight loss as really positive. Buy in.

[Joe W. Namath]

16 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

I did not recognize Mosley now 20 pounds lighter.   That's gotta impact his game, no?  

I hope it all goes well for him.  But this guy has been a weird cluster headache from the start.

Im assuming its a speed thing.  

[munchmemory]

23 minutes ago, Dinamite said:

Doesn't that help the switch from a 3-4 linebacker to a 4-3 one? I would think it may have been by design.

I have no idea.  To lose 20 pounds is significant.   Can Mosley be the same impact player at that weight?   Guess we'll find out.

19 minutes ago, derp said:

I don’t think SF had a starter above 230 last year. Would imagine he cut weight to better fit wha the scheme needs him to do. I viewed the weight loss as really positive. Buy in.

Who gives a sh*t about SF?  We're talking about a guy who has not played in two years and now shows up 20 pounds lighter.  And "buy in"?  lol   With this team's history, your mantra should always be "question everything".  You'll sleep better.

[Jethead]

Mosely is the best player on the Jets. He's a bona fide, proven all-pro talent. He's in top shape, motivated and ready to roll. I expect him to have an all-pro season and to be one of two first team defensive all-pro Jets along with The Mighty Quinn!

[Jet_Engine1]

12 minutes ago, Jethead said:

Mosely is the best player on the Jets. He's a bona fide, proven all-pro talent. He's in top shape, motivated and ready to roll. I expect him to have an all-pro season and to be one of two first team defensive all-pro Jets along with The Mighty Quinn!

I remember hearing the exact same thing about Le'veon Bell....

 

 

[slats]

13 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

WRONG  on  EVERYTHING dude/dudette.

I was at the last JetNation tailgate. 
Ask around. 

No Bud Light, mister/miss? 

[joewilly12]

21 hours ago, SAR I said:

Great day by the Jets all around, they were great to the fans, everything was safe and controlled, and the players were really engaging, giving us thumbs-up, reacting to our comments.

And then they played really well.  That Joe Douglas may be good after all.

SAR I

[JTJet]

12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Centurions. Always loved how cheesy these guys names were...

[freestater]

39 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

I remember hearing the exact same thing about Le'veon Bell....

 

 

Let's see him play all 17 games. That will impress me. 

[BornJetsFan1983]

59 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

I have no idea.  To lose 20 pounds is significant.   Can Mosley be the same impact player at that weight?   Guess we'll find out.

Who gives a sh*t about SF?  We're talking about a guy who has not played in two years and now shows up 20 pounds lighter.  And "buy in"?  lol   With this team's history, your mantra should always be "question everything".  You'll sleep better.

Um doctor obvious says cause our defense system is now the same as SF and so it's relevant cause Mosely will be used in the same way?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BornJetsFan1983]

41 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

I remember hearing the exact same thing about Le'veon Bell....

 

 

Yeah but we didn't expect gase to completely mis use bell and drive him into a wall over and over...highly doubt Saleh making no use of Mosely natural talent because coach salad is not a jack ass like gase was

[Jet_Engine1]

10 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Yeah but we didn't expect gase to completely mis use bell and drive him into a wall over and over...highly doubt Saleh making no use of Mosely natural talent because coach salad is not a jack ass like gase was

Not to mention how Slooooow Bell was. That part, too.

[thebuzzardman]

Mims MIGHT have some issues, but wasn't  he injured a bit and missed out on reps and practice? Combine that with the fact the Jets have actual quality receivers either retained (Crowder) brought in via FA (Davis and Cole) and drafted by all accounts a stud in Moore, and is it so surprising he's on the 3rd team? For now. Or even all year? I guess we'd like him to pass Cole on the depth chart. What "team" does that put  him on? 

[derp]

4 hours ago, munchmemory said:

I have no idea.  To lose 20 pounds is significant.   Can Mosley be the same impact player at that weight?   Guess we'll find out.

Who gives a sh*t about SF?  We're talking about a guy who has not played in two years and now shows up 20 pounds lighter.  And "buy in"?  lol   With this team's history, your mantra should always be "question everything".  You'll sleep better.

…do you actually not know why SF is relevant?

Mosley was also 234 at the combine when he came into the league. If he was at 250 this season it would be an awful weight for him.

Also I thought your post was weird. Did you think I was telling you to buy in? Why would I do that? I know I worded mine lazily, but to be clear what I was intended to express was that I thought Mosley losing weight to better fit Saleh's scheme represented him buying in to what the staff wants - which I think is encouraging for a veteran player who's got a whole lot of guaranteed money heading his way regardless of what shape he shows up to camp in.

By no means do I think him being in the low 230's means he'll be a Pro Bowler but I think he's got a better chance to play well in this scheme at that weight than he would have at 250.

[flgreen]

22 minutes ago, derp said:

…do you actually not know why SF is relevant?

Mosley was also 234 at the combine when he came into the league. If he was at 250 this season it would be an awful weight for him.

Those combine weights usually last about 15 mins until the player walks across  South Capitol Ave to Tavern South.   

[JETSALLDAY24X]

4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

And the point was you said they were here two years.  WTF is it with some of you, admit you FU'd and move on instead of say no shlt they weren't here but....no, just stop.  There wasnt a revolving door in 2019.  Thats wrong.  

To double down on missing the point you lMAO because I used other teams that had as many or injuries as the Jets because they were established and the Jets as a young team need to be on the field?  What does that have to do with the fact that the 49rs lost half their DL, their starting QB, had worse injuries than the Jets to blow up their season?  The point was that the entire league had injuries because of COVID, a point you havent been able to consider.  

I'll quote one of our new posters here:  "Such is life looking through the green glass and seeing every situation as half-empty."

I threw out a few names just as examples, (Just incase you haven't figured that out yet) Not in a literal meaning that those guys have been here 2 years. (How much more clearly can make it) As I have said repeatedly that you keep missing you can insert name you want to replace them if it makes you feel better. You are lost but I'll let you keep running yourself in circles. 

[Sonny Werblin]

On 7/31/2021 at 10:04 AM, kdels62 said:

 

Last time I went there was parking at the facility? Is that no longer the case? Do you have to park at the hotel and take a shuttle? If so, are facemasks required on the shuttle?

[derp]

1 hour ago, flgreen said:

Those combine weights usually last about 15 mins until the player walks across  South Capitol Ave to Tavern South.   

Oh they’re certainly not consistent across careers. But it’s what he weighed when he wanted to perform well during testing - and athleticism is going to be paramount in this scheme. I don’t think he would’ve been able to perform well at his old playing weight.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, JETSALLDAY24X said:

I threw out a few names just as examples, (Just incase you haven't figured that out yet) Not in a literal meaning that those guys have been here 2 years. (How much more clearly can make it) As I have said repeatedly that you keep missing you can insert name you want to replace them if it makes you feel better. You are lost but I'll let you keep running yourself in circles. 

No you said Mims and Becton were injured the last two seasons.  But you’re going to continue to blame me for not getting that your didn’t really mean it.  You got it.  You can’t make it more clear to anyone who read what you posted.  Say you screwed up and man up. 
I lost.  Like you need to keep score.  Guess when you’re -1 it counts

[IndianaJet]

2 hours ago, flgreen said:

Those combine weights usually last about 15 mins until the player walks across  South Capitol Ave to Tavern South.   

 

...they'd have to walk across S. Missouri St. to get to Tavern on South

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Last time I went there was parking at the facility? Is that no longer the case? Do you have to park at the hotel and take a shuttle? If so, are facemasks required on the shuttle?

Yes, you have to take a shuttle from the hotel across the street, it adds about 60 seconds to the overall trip.

No, masks are not required on the shuttle. Plenty of people did use them though. It’s a school bus and most of the windows were down.

SAR I

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

8 hours ago, Ghost420 said:

Are they off today?

Off on Sunday’s during camp. 

[jetsons]

I Wish Mekhi All the Best... he seems like a really good guy...