Cimini on some draft buzz

[peekskill68]

31 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If Douglas drafts an OT and a WR in the first this year, does anyone stop to say “Hey, didn’t we just spend two high picks on those exact positions two years ago? What happened to those guys?”

IMO close to 0% chance JD is throwing in the towel on Becton.  And I think he's closer to 50/50 on Mims...

[68JET11]

52 minutes ago, Lith said:

Prepare to be disappointed.  I expect that both 4 & 10 will be defense.  35 & 38 will be offense.  I would probaby go edge at 4 ad WR at 10, but I am not expecting that is what JD will do.  Offense will be addressed day 2.

I believe the same, I'm hoping EDGE and DT/S in the first, either with 4 & 10, or a trade down hopefully. I see 35 & 38 as WR/LB or reversed. OL can be had in rnd 3 with the rest of either BPA, or needs if they are high on JD's board, as long as need is not a big difference from BPA.  

[bitonti]

5 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

IMO close to 0% chance JD is throwing in the towel on Becton.  And I think he's closer to 50/50 on Mims...

The Jets are going to draft a wr at 10 because they are too cheap to actually participate in the high end free agent wide out market 

It's that simple. If Christian kirk gets 84 million, and Devonta Adams gets hundreds, then the Jets have to draft their Mike Evans. Because they are not going to pay for one retail 

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

If it’s true that Saleh is blaming the failures of his trash defense on not having a good free safety (lol), and considering Douglas wanted to give Marcus Williams $15+ mil per, Hamilton will probably be the pick at 4. No way they’re drafting Thibodeaux. Not a weak-fish Saleh lapdog-type, and they can just say that Carl Lawson is coming back. 

Where did it say Saleh blamed anything on not having a FS.

[Jets723]

31 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

If the jets don’t love the pass rushers at 4 they will go OL and then take a different edge at 10.

You may be right but I don’t think they would go oline 

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

What I think of when I see some of your posts, JN’s very own

Can’t say it doesn’t work, because here I am taking the bait again, lmfao.

[T0mShane]

35 minutes ago, STLuLu said:

You forgot how it took Mike LeFlore til almost the end of the season to learn how to call plays.

Occurred exactly at the point when Mike White and Josh Johnson started getting playing time

[STLuLu]

5 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Sheer and utter tripe Ed Reed was the definition of a gambler anyone who actually watched him play would see that.   You seem to confuse the term gambler for failed gambler.  Reed was constantly leaving his areas of responsibility to go and make huge plays.  He gambled more than any secondary player I can remember but he was elite at his play diagnosis and his gambles paid off.  You do not get 64 career ints and lead the league 3 times by not being a gambler.

Also we have no choice but to trust Douglas regarding thibs.

I'm not confused about the term gambler. You are the confused one. Gamblers lose way more than they win (some never win at all)...that's why casinos are so rich. If gamblers win more than lose, casinos would all go bankrupt and state lotteries would be non-existent. 

[BeaconJet]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Two other fun tidbits in this article:

1. When Revis got drafted, he was home with his family in Aliquippa, PA. Who was in that room? A ten year old Jordan Whitehead.

2. Douglas, for the second year in a row, has handed out at least $80 mil guaranteed to free agents. Yikes.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/89073/for-zach-wilsons-sake-new-york-jets-may-end-this-wide-receiver-drought

Regarding #2, Cimini doesn't comment on how that $80 million guaranteed stacks up against all the other teams in the league. $80 million could be a lot, or nothing; context matters. 

He did also state right after that, however, something that should be included in the above:  "The difference between him and some other GMs is that he spreads it around instead of paying top dollar at one position. It's the right approach, though it has yet to deliver tangible results on the field."

 

[Irish Jet]

If we draft Hamilton at four I will give myself to the sea.

[neckdemon]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

4. Kyle Hamilton

10. Travon Walker or Trevor Penning (if they trade Becton)

if we take some ******* safety with pick number 4 i might just be done with the jets. safety is NOT a #4 pick. it's just not enough of an impact position. after tading away that piece of crap adams i'd be very surprised if we waste such a high draft pick on another ****ingf safety

[T0mShane]

13 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Where did it say Saleh blamed anything on not having a FS.

iirc, it was Connor Hughes’ podcast.  FS and EDGE. I am well-researched.

[JustInFudge]

Sauce at 4 and Johnson at 10.  This isnt even hard. 

[rtnelson]

1 hour ago, Jets723 said:

The only two things I’m pretty positive are that we will draft a WR and safety within our first four picks.  I still feel we get an edge at 4 but who knows 

I feel like a LB is a pretty solid bet in the first four as well.  Perhaps even over a safety.

[RedBeardedSavage]

Just now, JiFapono said:

Sauce at 4 and Johnson at 10.  This isnt even hard. 

**Johnson @ 4, Jordan Davis @ 10**

[Mogglez]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

iirc, it was Connor Hughes’ podcast.  FS and EDGE. I am well-researched.

I mean, I know there was some lamenting internally, not anger, about the injuries to Lawson and Maye because the staff felt like the defense would have been exponentially better if either one were in the lineup, let alone both, but definitely not anything anybody probably felt different about here, so that would be news to me.  I’d be interested in hearing it if you can find it.  I know Connor does a million of these things, so it may be hard to locate, so no worries if you can’t.

[rtnelson]

9 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

if we take some ******* safety with pick number 4 i might just be done with the jets. safety is NOT a #4 pick. it's just not enough of an impact position. after tading away that piece of crap adams i'd be very surprised if we waste such a high draft pick on another ****ingf safety

This is what I don't get.  A lot of fans wanted Marcus Williams at 15m a year, but feel like a potential pro bowl caliber safety is a bad pick?

If he ends up being a guy that we have to worry about paying in 5+ years because he's been so dang good, nobody is going to care that he was picked at 4.

Not that he is my preferred pick, I'm just saying.

[Larz]

Nope 

Edge/ DT

[Matt39]

1 hour ago, PepPep said:

How about Edge at 4 and Devin Lloyd? Saleh would love him and Mosley out there together. 

Linebacker from Wisonsin is going to go a lot higher than where he's projected. I like Lloyd but he's slower than everyone thought.

[CanadienJetsFan]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Hamilton will probably be the pick at 4.

Please, for the last time and goes to everyone, no more talk of drafting a safety at #4

 

at 4.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I mean, I know there was some lamenting internally, not anger, about the injuries to Lawson and Maye because the staff felt like the defense would have been exponentially better if either one were in the lineup, let alone both, but definitely not anything anybody probably felt different about here, so that would be news to me.  I’d be interested in hearing it if you can find it.  I know Connor does a million of these things, so it may be hard to locate, so no worries if you can’t.

I would imagine it was pure devastation inside the building when Lawson went down, considering the type of camp he had and the money that was spent. I’ll see if I can find the link to the podcast,, but I’m pretty sure it was the most recent one where they were discussing the Marcus Williams pursuit 

[JustInFudge]

2 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

**Johnson @ 4, Jordan Davis @ 10**

Wouldnt hate that either but I think Sauce is probably a more valuable piece than Davis.  Sauce will play 100% of the snaps on D vs. Davis playing maybe 50/60% range.  Something I think you have to consider for a team that needs talent on the field desperately. 

[T0mShane]

Just now, CanadienJetsFan said:

Please, for the last time and goes to everyone, no more talk of drafting a safety at #4

 

at 4.

I mean, when you do those mock draft things, it’s either Hamilton or Gardner. 

[CanadienJetsFan]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I mean, when you do those mock draft things, it’s either Hamilton or Gardner. 

I’m going to throw up.

[JoeFan]

52 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

From Bob Mcginn's annual draft guide. There's always good stuff in there. 

Couldn’t find it via google.  Did see that he is with Go Long.  Is that what you are referring to?  Thanks.

[Matt39]

Just now, JoeFan said:

Couldn’t find it via google.  Did see that he is with Go Long.  Is that what you are referring to?  Thanks.

Yes, it's a subscription. Really the only draft stuff worth paying for these days. You'll see some of the takeaways from the interviews and then can draw your own conclusions on guys.

[Jets723]

16 minutes ago, rtnelson said:

I feel like a LB is a pretty solid bet in the first four as well.  Perhaps even over a safety.

I can definitely see a LB too.  Edge,WR, Lb/S, LB/S is definitely the way I can see the top 4 picks going 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Yes, it's a subscription. Really the only draft stuff worth paying for these days. You'll see some of the takeaways from the interviews and then can draw your own conclusions on guys.

Him and Waldman are the only ones doing the work anymore. I actually miss Nawrocki a little bit. He wasn’t afraid to go against the grain if he had a conviction about a guy. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

1 minute ago, JiFapono said:

Wouldnt hate that either but I think Sauce is probably a more valuable piece than Davis.  Sauce will play 100% of the snaps on D vs. Davis playing maybe 50/60% range.  Something I think you have to consider for a team that needs talent on the field desperately. 

I wouldn't hate Sauce + Johnson either. And it's a fair point about snap %, even if rotating d-lineman is completely normal. 

I'm just not thrilled with taking secondary players early with the way the sport is headed. I'd rather win with #'s in the back seven than talent/skill at this point. Prefer the talent/skill/premium picks up front. 

[CanadienJetsFan]

This team is in dire need of an ILB than can run sideline to sideline like a gazelle. Mosely just isn’t built to play that position but his salary is an albatross. Put him on the outside and I think he’ll do just fine covering half the field instead of the entire field.

Might That Georgia LB might be in play in the early rounds? That’s why I advocate trading #4 to a tackle-needy team. Slide down to the teens and grab your LB. Ahh Madden football is fun!

[Jet_Engine1]

With the 4th pick in the 2022 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select Safety.....

 

[HighPitch]

How the f does treyvon walkers name come up now as an elite de? He wasnt even considered a second rounder a few weeks ago. I get it, the dawgs d was good but this kid has 6 sacks this season and just 9.5 in his college career!

thibs has 7. This whole class of “top” edge guys stink. Jj has 14 maybe he is the man we should be talking up not treyvon dudes a 4 th round talent in a normal draft

[GreenFish]

Historically, mocks and draft buzz right after the combine are the most accurate. April will be a smoke fest.

Ball Hawk Safety: we tried to get Marcus Williams. So, you know we see FS as a need.

OT: we inquired about Collins even after signing Tomlinson. Plus, everyone seems to be hearing that Jets love Ekwonu.

Edge: we were interested in Chandler Jones. Obvious need plus the Jets have not been shy about saying they want tons of pass rushers.

WR: Jets were supposedly interested in Ridley.

We also looked into some DTs.

All rumors of course but that gives us a hint at what the Jets see as our team needs. 

[T0mShane]

57 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

IMO close to 0% chance JD is throwing in the towel on Becton.  And I think he's closer to 50/50 on Mims...

I think the shrewd move is to try and trade Becton for a low first and just draft Ekonwu or Neal, then get his receiver in the twenties. Burks is probably their best fit anyway

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

How the f does treyvon walkers name come up now as an elite de? He wasnt even considered a second rounder a few weeks ago. I get it, the dawgs d was good but this kid has 6 sacks this season and just 9.5 in his college career!

thibs has 7. This whole class of “top” edge guys stink. Jj has 14 maybe he is the man we should be talking up not treyvon dudes a 4 th round talent in a normal draft

He blew up the Combine and is a nice kid. Scouts love that sh*t