AFJF Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, FactsOnly said: fixes what? to become the Fitzmagic Jets? No thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Maxman said: I am warming up to Carr. He still scares me a bit but I agree he would be an improvement from what we have now for sure. Don't fall for it. It's a trap. (And a very expensive one, that will require a long-term commitment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Derek Carr = Boomer Esiason Part 2. Boomer was 33 when the Jets brought him in. Derek Carr will be 32 next year. Boomer was living off past glory (a very close Super Bowl loss to a great 49ers team) and he quickly fell off. Derek Carr doesn't even have any past glory (0-1 in the postseason) and he'll demand a ton from the Jets (years, AAV, guaranteed money, and probably a no-trade clause). Bringing Derek Carr here is a horrible idea that will only set the franchise back. ALERT!! ALERT!! STAY AWAY!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 On 1/3/2023 at 9:25 PM, T0mShane said: I would like them to do something exotic and daring—trade for Love or even Trey Lance—but I totally get that they don’t have that kind of rope anymore. If they have to settle for the Honda Civic so they can get back and forth to work, then that’s what they should do. How about signing Sam Darnold. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: How about signing Sam Darnold. now you talkin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BornJetsFan1983 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 2:22 PM, AFJF said: But Zach Wilson didn't win games. The Jets won games. And they won games with some herculean efforts from the guys around him who had to overcome his play. Going from Carr to Wilson means going from the worst QB in the NFL to an upper half of the league QB play. That would be huge with the weapons the Jets have on this roster. Not sure how you think Carr is upper half. Is barely average and not very good. They had better play makers around him most of his career and looked like crap. No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just now, BornJetsFan1983 said: Not sure how you think Carr is upper half. Is barely average and not very good. They had better play makers around him most of his career and looked like crap. No thanks I wish Jets QB's would look like such crap. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdfodder Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Is this dude a cold weather qb?Bakersfield HS -> Fresno state —> Oakland/LV Raiders. Heard he’s 0-6 in games below 37deg. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 minute ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Not sure how you think Carr is upper half. Is barely average and not very good. They had better play makers around him most of his career and looked like crap. No thanks If Carr signed here tomorrow, his career passing stats would make him the most productive QB in Jets history. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, gdfodder said: Is this dude a cold weather qb? Bakersfield HS -> Fresno state —> Oakland/LV Raiders. Heard he’s 0-6 in games below 37deg. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app This is my concern with Carr - and I want to get Carr. His stats in those games are bad too. Seems that with more experience practicing and playing in the elements could improve that but you never know. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 6:14 AM, TuscanyTile2 said: Derek Carr = Boomer Esiason Part 2. Boomer was 33 when the Jets brought him in. Derek Carr will be 32 next year. Boomer was living off past glory (a very close Super Bowl loss to a great 49ers team) and he quickly fell off. Derek Carr doesn't even have any past glory (0-1 in the postseason) and he'll demand a ton from the Jets (years, AAV, guaranteed money, and probably a no-trade clause). Bringing Derek Carr here is a horrible idea that will only set the franchise back. ALERT!! ALERT!! STAY AWAY!!! Yet I see guys here wanting Brady (at 45) and Aaron Rodgers (at 40) . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: This is my concern with Carr - and I want to get Carr. His stats in those games are bad too. Seems that with more experience practicing and playing in the elements could improve that but you never know. Also keep in mind a lot of those games were in Div against good KC and Den teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 6:14 AM, TuscanyTile2 said: Derek Carr = Boomer Esiason Part 2. Boomer was 33 when the Jets brought him in. Derek Carr will be 32 next year. Boomer was living off past glory (a very close Super Bowl loss to a great 49ers team) and he quickly fell off. Derek Carr doesn't even have any past glory (0-1 in the postseason) and he'll demand a ton from the Jets (years, AAV, guaranteed money, and probably a no-trade clause). Bringing Derek Carr here is a horrible idea that will only set the franchise back. ALERT!! ALERT!! STAY AWAY!!! Boomer Esiason? ? Back then it was rare dudes would play beyond 35 even at the QB position because they used to allow them to take hits. W/L is a team stat. Playoffs is a team stat. Carr has played on teams w/sh*t defenses his whole career. Why do you repeatedly ignore that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Yet I see guys here wanting Brady (at 45) and Aaron Rodgers (at 40) . The difference is that they're both still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 38 minutes ago, gdfodder said: Is this dude a cold weather qb? Bakersfield HS -> Fresno state —> Oakland/LV Raiders. Heard he’s 0-6 in games below 37deg. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app The Jets have played 1 game under 37 degrees this year. Not an issue. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Carr is a west coast kid. Grew up, played college and pro ball there. He strikes me as the type who wants nothing to do with playing on the east coast/northeast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 5:14 AM, TuscanyTile2 said: Derek Carr = Boomer Esiason Part 2. Boomer was 33 when the Jets brought him in. Derek Carr will be 32 next year. Boomer was living off past glory (a very close Super Bowl loss to a great 49ers team) and he quickly fell off. Derek Carr doesn't even have any past glory (0-1 in the postseason) and he'll demand a ton from the Jets (years, AAV, guaranteed money, and probably a no-trade clause). Bringing Derek Carr here is a horrible idea that will only set the franchise back. ALERT!! ALERT!! STAY AWAY!!! What are you expecting him to get paid in the event he gets cut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 54 minutes ago, gdfodder said: Is this dude a cold weather qb? Bakersfield HS -> Fresno state —> Oakland/LV Raiders. Heard he’s 0-6 in games below 37deg. FACT 0-7 actually averaging 1 TD and has only thrown more than 220 passing years once in games played under 36 degrees. Also Fact We beat the #1 seed Bills on a perfect weather day with Zach Wilson throwing for 150 yards and 1 TD without Breece pr AVT. The question we should be asking is - "with this team, does Derek Carr's sub 37 degree stat line win us games?" I'd say if we are looking at sub 36 degree games we are likely relying on our RB more than our passing attack. Yes I do believe Carr can win important games with that average. His last game vs the Steelers was -15° at kickoff. He threw 3 INTs to beat out Josh Allen by 1 INT to be the most intercepted QB in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJCAP2 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Didn’t know which thread to dump this in, so I’ll put it here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just now, NYJCAP2 said: Didn’t know which thread to dump this in, so I’ll put it here: I think this goes in any number of threads in the Sadness forum. Are you not seeing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Averagejetsfan1421 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 He can’t fix his own team what makes people think he will fix the jets! I don’t get it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: If Carr signed here tomorrow, his career passing stats would make him the most productive QB in Jets history. You can say that about 94% of the QBs in the NFL. Backups included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just like Kirk Cousins, the Jets will not be lucky enough to land Derek Carr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: The difference is that they're both still good. No they are not Brady has been terrible this year despite the usual ref gifts left right and center. Rodgers was dreadful for over half of this year. Both of them on the downside big time. Also neither one of them will want to come to the jets more than likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 37 minutes ago, GreenFish said: What are you expecting him to get paid in the event he gets cut? He'll be looking in the neighborhood of $40M per year from the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usanyj Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said: Yet I see guys here wanting Brady (at 45) and Aaron Rodgers (at 40) . Those same people also don’t want carr but say to sign darnold or brissett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 RE: Cold weather concerns about Derek Carr… it is valid, since he’s a west coaster, but it’s 45 degrees today. This isn’t Green Bay, it is not guaranteed that the weather will be freezing this time of year 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jNYC1 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Trade for Tannehill or Sign Geno. Most effective paths to competent QB play in 2023 at a reasonable cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 6:14 AM, TuscanyTile2 said: Derek Carr = Boomer Esiason Part 2. Boomer was 33 when the Jets brought him in. Derek Carr will be 32 next year. Boomer was living off past glory (a very close Super Bowl loss to a great 49ers team) and he quickly fell off. Derek Carr doesn't even have any past glory (0-1 in the postseason) and he'll demand a ton from the Jets (years, AAV, guaranteed money, and probably a no-trade clause). Bringing Derek Carr here is a horrible idea that will only set the franchise back. ALERT!! ALERT!! STAY AWAY!!! Boomer had no OL and Rich Kotite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 2 hours ago, 56mehl56 said: Yet I see guys here wanting Brady (at 45) and Aaron Rodgers (at 40) . Because those are the 2 best available QBs this offseason and they both can still play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 7:01 AM, T0mShane said: In this vein, I woke up with the vision wherein Douglas and Saleh decide that all Zach Wilson really needs is a mentor who’s been through the grinder and we go into camp with a Zach Wilson and Baker Mayfield QB competition. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Baker is an interesting upside guy but has been super inconsistent. Is JD going to hang his career on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: Baker is an interesting upside guy but has been super inconsistent. Is JD going to hang his career on that? My friend, nothing would surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKnight83 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Pathetic offense is a QB away from being top 10 with a healthy AVT and Breece Hall. [/url] At 40MM/year this is never going to happenSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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