jtomm Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Danny Jaillet Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:29 PM EDT The New England Patriots made a notable move in the draft when trading the 14th overall pick to the Pittsburgh Steelers in exchange for the 17th overall selection. A fourth-round pick was also included in the deal. The Patriots got the player they wanted in cornerback Christian Gonzalez. They also managed to make life harder for the AFC East rival New York Jets. With the 14th overall selection, the Steelers selected Broderick Jones from Georgia.Jones was thought to have been a prime selection for New York, as they needed help protecting Aaron Rodgers. After the pick, the Jets ended up taking Iowa State defensive end Will McDonald IV at No. 15. Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin was asked about this on “The Rich Eisen Show” on Thursday afternoon, and he admitted the Patriots didn’t hesitate in allowing the Steelers to move up on the draft board to get the player projected to the Jets.“I’m not going to delve into the relationship between New England and the Jets. Let’s just say I’m glad we found a partner,” said Tomlin. “…I’ll put it this way: There wasn’t a lot of hesitation on New England’s end.” New England was able to get their guy in Gonzalez and potentially stopped the Jets from being able to select a priority target. It was a win-win trade for two teams, with the Jets being the ones left in the dust. >> https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mike-tomlin-comments-patriots-sneaky-212935312.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Dierking Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 Is it really shocking that an NFL team maneuvered in the draft to acquire an extra pick with the certainty that the player they would want at their original pick would still be available with their newly acquired spot? That is just drafting 101. If you don't do that, it is malfeasance. The fact you can do it to injure a division rival is just icing on the cake. 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OilfieldJet Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Is it really shocking that an NFL team maneuvered in the draft to acquire an extra pick with the certainty that the player they would want at their original pick would still be available with their newly acquired spot? That is just drafting 101. If you don't do that, it is malfeasance. The fact you can do it to injure a division rival is just icing on the cake. Good football. I’d want the Jets to do it every time. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Untouchable Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 I love how all of these dickbags are just assuming that the Jets were dead set on taking a project OT in the Top 15. If the Jets drafted an OT in the 1st, the dude was going to spend his rookie year as a backup swing tackle unless something happened to Brown/Becton. Yet that was somehow supposed to help us immediately… Clowns 12 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bungaman Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 "Left in the dust"? Hardly. It was a trade up and down. Made sense for both teams, no matter who was in the middle. Screw both teams - I loath them both, and just want to be sure we kick their asses when we play them. That's about it. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 23 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I love how all of these dickbags are just assuming that the Jets were dead set on taking a project OT in the Top 15. If the Jets drafted an OT in the 1st, the dude was going to spend his rookie year as a backup swing tackle unless something happened to Brown/Becton. Yet that was somehow supposed to help us immediately… Clowns I get what you're saying, and am not so sure that would've definitely been the pick, but it's also hardly unlikely for something to happen to Becton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freestater Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 seemed like an appropriate place to remind one that Bill Belichick is a scumbag. 10 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Bellicheat hasn't won much since he stopped swallowing Brady kids..... 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 The scenario is the fault of the jets and douglas for getting owned in the Rodgers trade, not in the predictable aftermath. 7 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 12 minutes ago, freestater said: seemed like an appropriate place to remind one that Bill Belichick is a scumbag. He is a scumbag who seems to have a healthier than average dose of hatred for the Jets. Mike Tomlinson himself implied this in his comments, given how easy it was to pry loose the 15th pick. The trade chart itself implies the Pats took less than the ‘going rate’. He’s shown this time and again over the years, as recently as 2021 running up the score and a couple years prior playing some weird showmanship game during a simple punt late in a game the Pats had in hand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 **** the pats*, and Tomlin ain't sh*t as a coach when he isn't coaching a pre-built super bowl winner. Kind of like how bb* isn't sh*t without a HoF qb. Here's to McDonald 'Theismann'ing' current and future pats* qbs*, and a couple of steelers one's too. It'll be funny when Jones busts, and McDonald is averaging 10+ sacks a year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Is BB supposed to help us? This is a competition. If he "screwed us over", that's what he's supposed to do. Let's not forget that JD swapped picks with GB in the 1st round. So instead of picking 1 spot ahead of New England, we picked 1 spot behind them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 honestly I don't think JD was all that intent at drafting an OT to be a swing or OT4 behind Mitchell at 15 Brown is making almost 10 mil and is going to play Becton is a huge question mark but it's unlikely Broderick Jones is better than him at RT on day 1 it's an all in year they aren't drafting Jones to sit him they need players that will play real reps 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarthWindandRodgers Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 According to Saleh the move from 13 to 15 had no impact on the Jets draft. Mike Tomlin doesn’t know the Jets draft board. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 35 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: I get what you're saying, and am not so sure that would've definitely been the pick, but it's also hardly unlikely for something to happen to Becton. I think if a guy like Skoronski would’ve fallen to the Jets, they would’ve taken him. A technically refined prospect who could start immediately and compares favorably to a guy like AVT. A guy like Jones is a different bag entirely. He’s a great athlete with a lot of upside, but he’s incredibly raw. I just really question what kind of impact, if any, he would have as a rookie on this team. It seems like everyone in the media is running with this narrative that the Jets were dead-set on taking an OT at #15, didn’t care who it was, and the Pats/Steelers f*cked them. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Actually BB considers us the enemy because we’re AFC East and on paper with Rodgers much improved. He jacked us last year with Zach. So he traded down which they always do anyways got Gonzalez and a 4th and prevented Jets from drafting top Oline guy. Not that he doesn’t hate Jets for whatever reason more than other teams but I don’t see the problem. If we did it it would be considered smart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 this is a projection from NE Media no one needed the tackle more than New England and they ended up with the Cornerback 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashlite80 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I have no problem with a team doing what is in their own best interests. The fact is it was done to hurt the Jets, PERIOD. Nobody moves back from 14 to 17 for a 4th round pick. It should have cost Pittsburgh their third rounder at #93. If the Jets were still at pick 13, They would have laughed at that offer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 13 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I think if a guy like Skoronski would’ve fallen to the Jets, they would’ve taken him. A technically refined prospect who could start immediately and compares favorably to a guy like AVT. A guy like Jones is a different bag entirely. He’s a great athlete with a lot of upside, but he’s incredibly raw. I just really question what kind of impact, if any, he would have as a rookie on this team. It seems like everyone in the media is running with this narrative that the Jets were dead-set on taking an OT at #15, didn’t care who it was, and the Pats/Steelers f*cked them. Yeah, I think it mostly comes to a question of whether he would've taken the #3 spot at OT if he had been the pick, which is now a job in all likelihood going to go to Mitchell. It's a spot definitely with more focus on it than you'd expect, mostly given history says it's a job highly likely to get thrust into the starting role sooner or later, regardless of whether by design. With that said, you're right that the narrative piece is definitely a big part of why it's still being talked about. For now, that's mostly because there's little going on in football as they wait for OTAs begin, and then later training camp (which I think we all know is now virtually guaranteed to be the Jets on Hard Knocks). 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvill 51 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 5 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said: I have no problem with a team doing what is in their own best interests. The fact is it was done to hurt the Jets, PERIOD. Nobody moves back from 14 to 17 for a 4th round pick. It should have cost Pittsburgh their third rounder at #93. If the Jets were still at pick 13, They would have laughed at that offer. If Belichick is intentionally making suboptimal moves because he thinks it will hurt the Jets, then that is great news for the Jets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashlite80 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 19 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I think if a guy like Skoronski would’ve fallen to the Jets, they would’ve taken him. A technically refined prospect who could start immediately and compares favorably to a guy like AVT. A guy like Jones is a different bag entirely. He’s a great athlete with a lot of upside, but he’s incredibly raw. I just really question what kind of impact, if any, he would have as a rookie on this team. It seems like everyone in the media is running with this narrative that the Jets were dead-set on taking an OT at #15, didn’t care who it was, and the Pats/Steelers f*cked them. The Jets definitely looked like they were working the phones to trade out of the spot. When time ran out, they picked a solid edge rusher projected 10 -15 spots later. A pick at the position with the most depth on the roster, when offensive needs, were clear. I was surprised they didn't pivot to Njigba to replace Corey Davis and save $11 MM. We have the 14th rated WR group. Njigba might have been a difference maker. New England definitely impacted the Jets pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 9 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said: The Jets definitely looked like they were working the phones to trade out of the spot. When time ran out, they picked a solid edge rusher projected 10 -15 spots later. A pick at the position with the most depth on the roster, when offensive needs, were clear. I was surprised they didn't pivot to Njigba to replace Corey Davis and save $11 MM. We have the 14th rated WR group. Njigba might have been a difference maker. New England definitely impacted the Jets pick. JSN projects as a slot, he doesn’t necessarily replace Corey Davis. I’d say we have a middle of the pack WR group, but out of curiosity, 14th according to whom? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackExchangeNYJ Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 What bothers me is that Belichick is lauded as a genius for trading the pick for below market value. If he really could have gotten a third for trading back, but took a fourth instead because the Steelers were looking at OT, then he's really kinda stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 hours ago, Untouchable said: I love how all of these dickbags are just assuming that the Jets were dead set on taking a project OT in the Top 15. If the Jets drafted an OT in the 1st, the dude was going to spend his rookie year as a backup swing tackle unless something happened to Brown/Becton. Yet that was somehow supposed to help us immediately… Clowns Fair point but don’t forget the Jets offered orlando brown a big free agent contract. They wanted a high end offensive tackle, I think. And the war room was not as excited this year after their first rd pick was announced like they were in years past, it seemed. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" - scumbag Bill Belicheat, possibly. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facts Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Screw the Patriots. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 So EVEN if it's all true, which I am skeptical about, would you rather see Broderick Jones and Zach Wilson starting on Week 1, or Will MacDonald and Aaron Rodgers? If Becton is able to play like he did as a rookie, will anyone even care about Broderick Jones? Tomlin is so busy patting himself on the back, I think he may have forgotten to look at the roster and realize that he is starting Kenny Pickett against Burrow, Lamar, and Watson this year. Good luck, Mike. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 There was nothing sneaky about it. JD has traded with belicheat multiple times. 3 years from now people will be clowning him for not taking Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 4 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: Is it really shocking that an NFL team maneuvered in the draft to acquire an extra pick with the certainty that the player they would want at their original pick would still be available with their newly acquired spot? That is just drafting 101. If you don't do that, it is malfeasance. The fact you can do it to injure a division rival is just icing on the cake. Yeah but the jets have brown and becton on the roster. I don’t think they were on jones the way the fans and mock bros were. I don’t think they were on JSN either. I think you can argue they could have moved back 2-4 spots and still gotten McDonald or an another prospect but they obviously felt that was a risk. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: Yeah, I think it mostly comes to a question of whether he would've taken the #3 spot at OT if he had been the pick, which is now a job in all likelihood going to go to Mitchell. It's a spot definitely with more focus on it than you'd expect, mostly given history says it's a job highly likely to get thrust into the starting role sooner or later, regardless of whether by design. With that said, you're right that the narrative piece is definitely a big part of why it's still being talked about. For now, that's mostly because there's little going on in football as they wait for OTAs begin, and then later training camp (which I think we all know is now virtually guaranteed to be the Jets on Hard Knocks). Hyping Belichick screwing the Jets has been a tried and true formula for reporters to get clicks and eyeballs since the napkin... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooooon Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 hours ago, Flashlite80 said: The Jets definitely looked like they were working the phones to trade out of the spot. When time ran out, they picked a solid edge rusher projected 10 -15 spots later. A pick at the position with the most depth on the roster, when offensive needs, were clear. I was surprised they didn't pivot to Njigba to replace Corey Davis and save $11 MM. We have the 14th rated WR group. Njigba might have been a difference maker. New England definitely impacted the Jets pick. Completely agree but many posters here have convinced themselves Jets wanted McDonald all along. To me that’s silly but what can you do. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I hope 3 things happen. 1) We stomp out the Patriots bad twice this year. I want to embarrass them bad. It’s been 8 years for us and this has been a long time coming. 2) I hope Broderick Jones is a bust! 3) Will McDonald becomes an All Pro EDGE for us for the foreseeable future! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 hours ago, Flashlite80 said: The Jets definitely looked like they were working the phones to trade out of the spot. When time ran out, they picked a solid edge rusher projected 10 -15 spots later. A pick at the position with the most depth on the roster, when offensive needs, were clear. I was surprised they didn't pivot to Njigba to replace Corey Davis and save $11 MM. We have the 14th rated WR group. Njigba might have been a difference maker. New England definitely impacted the Jets pick. The Jets are built on their D Line depth. JD isn’t stupid he knows to keep adding to the position of strength. We now have McDonald, JJ, and Clemons under team control for the foreseeable future. I’d also give an extension to Huff in order to keep those 4 as the core unit to go along with Qs new contract. Picking athletic EDGEs is the 1st rd is never a bad thing. Look at those Giants teams that won the Super Bowls. They had a ton of guys rotating in flying off the edge crushing Brady. That’s what we’re going to see this year. Very excited to see this defense at full strength destroying these teams. After Q and that d line crushed Rodgers in Green Bay last season he was like “eff it that defense is ridiculous I’m going there to try to win this ring!” He knows first hand how dynamic a game wrecking defensive line can be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VERMONT JET Posted May 20 Popular Post Share Posted May 20 A few things on this STUPID subject. #1. NE is a team in great need of Oline help and they decided to trade back and get a 4th round pick instead of drafting Broderick Jones. I think that speaks volumes and shows a lot of teams (the Jets included I believe) saw Jones as a project. Not a plug and play OT. #2. If the Jets felt the Pats screwed them then why did they make a trade with them in the 4th round? Why help a division rival move up for a player they believe to be so valuable another team may swoop in and take him? I understand they traded up for a kicker most people didn't even have being drafted this year. #3. Lastly the stupid "The jets were panicking and got caught with their pants down" BS. After months and months of planning and the draft nerds in the Jets draft room running literally thousands of simulations of different draft scenarios they DID NOT get caught off guard. Were they trying to find a trade down partner? Without question. But all that means is McDonald was the highest ranked player on their board regardless. BONUS. The Pats passed on Dan Marino in the 1983 draft too ! Don't know why but that has been on my mind. The fact they never caught as much crap as the Jets did pisses me off. At least Kenny O went to some Pro Bowls. Tony Easton not so much. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 6 hours ago, Bungaman said: "Left in the dust"? Hardly. It was a trade up and down. Made sense for both teams, no matter who was in the middle. Screw both teams - I loath them both, and just want to be sure we kick their asses when we play them. That's about it. Agree bung, but I am torn because while I despise the Steelers and their fanbase, I have this strange love for tomlin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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