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15 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Because you need a guy who can come in and play cold. You just do. Geno fits the same mold.

When Brady did it in 2001, he wasn't a rookie. He was a second year player.

If 2017 were to be a meaningful season, I would completely agree with you. Regardless, the Jets are going to pick up a Vet QB so it doesn't really matter how I feel about it. If it were up to me though I would just add a late round QB/UDFA to be QB3 in case you can catch lightning in a bottle and call it a day. Petty should know the ins and outs of the NFL off the field by year 3, he can either play or can't. 

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1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I think that is the plan, but you generally want to have at least 1 veteran QB on your roster. Hoyer makes far more sense than a Tyrod Taylor IMO. 

Agreed, though I personally think Tyrod is far better than Mike Glennon and could be a legitimate franchise guy. The rest of the team at this point isn't good enough, and this isn't the right time to make a big investmemt in a free agent QB.

Hack, Petty and Hoyer is a perfectly fine stable of QB's to go into this season with. We could even draft another, with the fourth best QB getting cut at the end of camp. 

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If I thought the Jets had a ton of talent and were just missing a QB I would be totally for a guy like Hoyer coming in and competing for the starting job. Because he can manage a game and potentially get the Jets to the playoffs if things broke right for them. Similar to what Fitz was almost able to accomplish in 2015. Even if you thought the Jets benefited from a soft schedule that year you would have to agree that going into the season, with the moves they made, you thought the team had talent. We didn't know Cromartie was finished yet, or Revis was nearing the end. So you thought the defense could be back to playing at an elite level. The offense looked pretty good with the addition of Marshall and pairing him with Decker.

But when I look at this Jets team, I see an Offensive line that's in shambles and needs to be totally rebuilt, a secondary that needs to be totally rebuilt, they've cut their best receiver, their second best receiver is coming off major surgery to his hip which puts a lot of pressure on the younger guys, their LB's are suspect at best right now. So right now on 3/8/17 (before the start of FA to be fair) I don't see a team that's loaded with talent.

I see a young team with a lot of question marks. I don't see what a journeyman game manager type of QB does for that team. Of course anything could happen in the NFL and a team can surprise you. But with the complete overhaul that seems to be going on, I don't think giving the job to a guy like Hoyer is the way to go when we know what that player is. And that's what the Jets would be doing IF the scenario is Hoyer, Petty, and Hack in a competition heading into camp.

 

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6 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

This has to be for peanuts and signed with the understanding that he is coming strictly as a mentor. Winner of Hack/Petty competition starts and Hoyer helps them study.... bottom line!

I don't think Hoyer would sign here though without the potential to see legitimate playing time. I would love that scenario, but why would he come here then? He's capable enough to compete for a job somewhere.

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1 minute ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

I don't think Hoyer would sign here though without the potential to see legitimate playing time. I would love that scenario, but why would he come here then? He's capable enough to compete for a job somewhere.

I agree, he's basically Fitz.... Good enough to play but bad enough to lose the job at any point in time. He has to agree to be the backup. If Mac brings in Hoyer to start I will not be happy about it.

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Hoyer?  these aren't bad stats at all. and even though he was 1-4 with the bears he has an overall winning record.  he's got experience in 5 different offensive systems and throwing to and against a wide range of players and defensive schemes. imho he is a good choice for a back-up /spot starter behind hack or petty

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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
2009 24 NWE   8 5 0   19 27 70.4 142 0 0.0 0 0.0 17 5.3 5.3 7.5 28.4 82.6 55.6 2 18 4.28 4.28 6.9     1
2010 25 NWE   8 5 0   7 15 46.7 122 1 6.7 1 6.7 42 8.1 6.5 17.4 24.4 69.3 61.7 0 0 8.13 6.47 0.0     0
2011 26 NWE   8 3 0   1 1 100.0 22 0 0.0 0 0.0 22 22.0 22.0 22.0 7.3 118.7 88.4 0 0 22.00 22.00 0.0     0
2012 27 ARI qb 6 2 1 0-1-0 30 53 56.6 330 1 1.9 2 3.8 53 6.2 4.9 11.0 165.0 65.8 36.1 4 30 5.26 4.04 7.0     1
2013 28 CLE qb 6 3 3 3-0-0 57 96 59.4 615 5 5.2 3 3.1 47 6.4 6.0 10.8 205.0 82.6 53.9 6 48 5.56 5.22 5.9 1 1 1
2014 29 CLE QB 6 14 13 7-6-0 242 438 55.3 3326 12 2.7 13 3.0 81 7.6 6.8 13.7 237.6 76.5 42.5 24 160 6.85 6.11 5.2 4 4 8
2015 30 HOU QB 7 11 9 5-4-0 224 369 60.7 2606 19 5.1 7 1.9 49 7.1 7.2 11.6 236.9 91.4 56.1 25 185 6.14 6.31 6.3 1 1 7
2016 31 CHI qb 2 6 5 1-4-0 134 200 67.0 1445 6 3.0 0 0.0 64 7.2 7.8 10.8 240.8 98.0 61.1 4 18 7.00 7.58 2.0     4
Career       49 31 16-15-0 714 1199 59.5 8608 44 3.7 26 2.2 81 7.2 6.9 12.1 175.7 84.8   65 459 6.45 6.22 5.1 6 6 22
3 yrs NWE     13 0   27 43 62.8 286 1 2.3 1 2.3 42 6.7 6.1 10.6 22.0 80.2   2 18 5.96 5.40 4.4     1
2 yrs CLE     17 16 10-6-0 299 534 56.0 3941 17 3.2 16 3.0 81 7.4 6.7 13.2 231.8 77.6   30 208 6.62 5.95 5.3 5 5 9
1 yr ARI     2 1 0-1-0 30 53 56.6 330 1 1.9 2 3.8 53 6.2 4.9 11.0 165.0 65.8   4 30 5.26 4.04 7.0     1
1 yr CHI     6 5 1-4-0 134 200 67.0 1445 6 3.0 0 0.0 64 7.2 7.8 10.8 240.8 98.0   4 18 7.00 7.58 2.0     4
1 yr HOU     11 9 5-4-0 224 369 60.7 2606 19 5.1 7 1.9 49 7.1 7.2 11.6 236.9 91.4   25 185 6.14 6.31 6.3 1 1 7
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7 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

If I thought the Jets had a ton of talent and were just missing a QB I would be totally for a guy like Hoyer coming in and competing for the starting job. Because he can manage a game and potentially get the Jets to the playoffs if things broke right for them. Similar to what Fitz was almost able to accomplish in 2015. Even if you thought the Jets benefited from a soft schedule that year you would have to agree that going into the season, with the moves they made, you thought the team had talent. We didn't know Cromartie was finished yet, or Revis was nearing the end. So you thought the defense could be back to playing at an elite level. The offense looked pretty good with the addition of Marshall and pairing him with Decker.

But when I look at this Jets team, I see an Offensive line that's in shambles and needs to be totally rebuilt, a secondary that needs to be totally rebuilt, they've cut their best receiver, their second best receiver is coming off major surgery to his hip which puts a lot of pressure on the younger guys, their LB's are suspect at best right now. So right now on 3/8/17 (before the start of FA to be fair) I don't see a team that's loaded with talent.

I see a young team with a lot of question marks. I don't see what a journeyman game manager type of QB does for that team. Of course anything could happen in the NFL and a team can surprise you. But with the complete overhaul that seems to be going on, I don't think giving the job to a guy like Hoyer is the way to go when we know what that player is. And that's what the Jets would be doing IF the scenario is Hoyer, Petty, and Hack in a competition heading into camp.

 

agree with most of this.  the jets were not counting on so many key players falling off a cliff and got caught without some adequate back ups.  but the bright side is they have a decent draft position so they should be able to replace those players and have enough money to get some key free agents.  imho hoyer would be good for this team.  he has a lot of experience and decent stats. 

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8 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

I agree, he's basically Fitz.... Good enough to play but bad enough to lose the job at any point in time. He has to agree to be the backup. If Mac brings in Hoyer to start I will not be happy about it.

I would basically take the season off to work on my short game and putting.

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3 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Hoyer?  these aren't bad stats at all. and even though he was 1-4 with the bears he has an overall winning record.  he's got experience in 5 different offensive systems and throwing to and against a wide range of players and defensive schemes. imho he is a good choice for a back-up /spot starter behind hack or petty

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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
2009 24 NWE   8 5 0   19 27 70.4 142 0 0.0 0 0.0 17 5.3 5.3 7.5 28.4 82.6 55.6 2 18 4.28 4.28 6.9     1
2010 25 NWE   8 5 0   7 15 46.7 122 1 6.7 1 6.7 42 8.1 6.5 17.4 24.4 69.3 61.7 0 0 8.13 6.47 0.0     0
2011 26 NWE   8 3 0   1 1 100.0 22 0 0.0 0 0.0 22 22.0 22.0 22.0 7.3 118.7 88.4 0 0 22.00 22.00 0.0     0
2012 27 ARI qb 6 2 1 0-1-0 30 53 56.6 330 1 1.9 2 3.8 53 6.2 4.9 11.0 165.0 65.8 36.1 4 30 5.26 4.04 7.0     1
2013 28 CLE qb 6 3 3 3-0-0 57 96 59.4 615 5 5.2 3 3.1 47 6.4 6.0 10.8 205.0 82.6 53.9 6 48 5.56 5.22 5.9 1 1 1
2014 29 CLE QB 6 14 13 7-6-0 242 438 55.3 3326 12 2.7 13 3.0 81 7.6 6.8 13.7 237.6 76.5 42.5 24 160 6.85 6.11 5.2 4 4 8
2015 30 HOU QB 7 11 9 5-4-0 224 369 60.7 2606 19 5.1 7 1.9 49 7.1 7.2 11.6 236.9 91.4 56.1 25 185 6.14 6.31 6.3 1 1 7
2016 31 CHI qb 2 6 5 1-4-0 134 200 67.0 1445 6 3.0 0 0.0 64 7.2 7.8 10.8 240.8 98.0 61.1 4 18 7.00 7.58 2.0     4
Career       49 31 16-15-0 714 1199 59.5 8608 44 3.7 26 2.2 81 7.2 6.9 12.1 175.7 84.8   65 459 6.45 6.22 5.1 6 6 22
3 yrs NWE     13 0   27 43 62.8 286 1 2.3 1 2.3 42 6.7 6.1 10.6 22.0 80.2   2 18 5.96 5.40 4.4     1
2 yrs CLE     17 16 10-6-0 299 534 56.0 3941 17 3.2 16 3.0 81 7.4 6.7 13.2 231.8 77.6   30 208 6.62 5.95 5.3 5 5 9
1 yr ARI     2 1 0-1-0 30 53 56.6 330 1 1.9 2 3.8 53 6.2 4.9 11.0 165.0 65.8   4 30 5.26 4.04 7.0     1
1 yr CHI     6 5 1-4-0 134 200 67.0 1445 6 3.0 0 0.0 64 7.2 7.8 10.8 240.8 98.0   4 18 7.00 7.58 2.0     4
1 yr HOU     11 9 5-4-0 224 369 60.7 2606 19 5.1 7 1.9 49 7.1 7.2 11.6 236.9 91.4   25 185 6.14 6.31 6.3 1 1 7

That 2014 was a bad season for him and look at his WRs: Taylor Gabriel, Andrew Hawkins, Travis Benjamin, Miles Austin, Jordan Cameron, Jim Dray and Gary Barnidge.  At least in 2013 he had Josh Gordon for 3 games.

 

Hoyer would be a good veteran to bring in for cheap.

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9 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

NIGHTMARE scenario.

 

Won't be watching this team again until 2020.

No, the nightmare scenario is locking ourselves into an expensive QB who sucks like Jay Cutler for the next three years. Signing a career backup because there's nobody on our roster who can play the position and focusing on drafting "our guy" makes plenty of sense.

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1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

Not sure why people would be upset by this. We don't have a starting-caliber QB on the roster and Hoyer will come relatively cheap.

Because Hoyer probably gets us an extra win or two. And if we're going to be assembling a poopy roster then god dammit do it right. A 1-15 season is better than a 3-13 season.

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10 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Because Hoyer probably gets us an extra win or two. And if we're going to be assembling a poopy roster then god dammit do it right. A 1-15 season is better than a 3-13 season.

This is a good point. I retract my earlier comment. Our starting QB next season should be either DeShaun Watson or Christian Hackenberg. 

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2 minutes ago, section314 said:

Any rumors down there on the N.C.State hoops job? That is a plum job, should get some great guys interested.One guy they should talk to is up here, Iona's coach Tim Cluese.

Its so frustrating.....  as Bilas says.. its a GOOD job, not a GREAT job.  The AD is questionable and that doesn't help.  I call The Wolfpack.. "The NY Jets of the ACC".  On paper they should do better..they just dont seem to.  My other daughter went to UNC so I have some happiness. :)

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