Skeet Ulrich Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Mahomes, Watson, Allen. I wish Chris Johnson could hire Maccagnan again just so they could fire him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chrebetfan80 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 how long before some wise guy comes in to try making the point that none were the first overall pick? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PS17 Posted December 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2020 Good thing we got the best player available with those draft picks. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said: Mahomes, Watson, Allen. I wish Chris Johnson could hire Maccagnan again just so they could fire him. Or even Russel Wilson. ALL available... but we were needy at safety. This is a safety league haven’t you heard? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said: Mahomes, Watson, Allen. I wish Chris Johnson could hire Maccagnan again just so they could fire him. Without giving up any assets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Don’t forget MVP Lamar. Macc was like those Loony Toons when Elmer Fudd or whatever swings 3 times at the same pitch and strikes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Gase would ruin em all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Willie White Shoes Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Let's face it. If the Jets drafted Allen, he would be total garbage right now. Allen and Darnold were pretty even their rookie seasons, then the Jets went south and the Bills built a team with a real coach. Switch places and Darnold is a golden boy and Allen is a mess. Just sayin' Darnold is a victim, not the cause. That said, I think he is ruined here and its time to move on. The lesson is that the Jets need to bring along the next QB the right way - with an OL, receivers, and a coach who can coach. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just now, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Let's face it. If the Jets drafted Allen, he would be total garbage right now. Allen and Darnold were pretty even their rookie seasons, then the Jets went south and the Bills built a team with a real coach. Switch places and Darnold is a golden boy and Allen is a mess. Just sayin' Darnold is a victim, not the cause. That said, I think he is ruined here and its time to move on. The lesson is that the Jets need to bring along the next QB the right way - with an OL, receivers, and a coach who can coach. I refuse to believe that no matter who we draft we are predestined for the same result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Dude - are we really going to play the "We could have drafted....." game at this point in the history of the franchise? I think the issue of who we've missed out on has been covered Ad nauseam 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryFields Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Let's face it. If the Jets drafted Allen, he would be total garbage right now. Allen and Darnold were pretty even their rookie seasons, then the Jets went south and the Bills built a team with a real coach. Switch places and Darnold is a golden boy and Allen is a mess. Just sayin' Darnold is a victim, not the cause. That said, I think he is ruined here and its time to move on. The lesson is that the Jets need to bring along the next QB the right way - with an OL, receivers, and a coach who can coach. I actually thought Darnold looked better his rookie year and they were pretty close last year. Obviously this season Allen has emerged into a stud and Darnold likely played himself out of a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamLurker Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said: Mahomes, Watson, Allen. I wish Chris Johnson could hire Maccagnan again just so they could fire him. Well, Jets fans and Media treated Watson and Mahomes like they are treating Justin Fields to be fair lol... And treated Darnold as they treated Lawrence. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 41 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Let's face it. If the Jets drafted Allen, he would be total garbage right now. Sam doesn't have 1/10th the arm talent that Allen possesses... Josh Allen with his cannon for a rocket arm would've turned Robby Anderson into an absolute NFL superstar (Sam didn't have the arm strength to utilize Robby's natural ability). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, GreenFish said: Mahomes, Allen, Watson. Whew damn I need a triple mocha espresso. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, jgb said: I refuse to believe that no matter who we draft we are predestined for the same result. I’ve read a similar post just like this here. It’s like deja vu. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morny Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 5 hours ago, jgb said: I refuse to believe that no matter who we draft we are predestined for the same result. I agree with your overall point (for example, both Watson and Mahomes would be studs for us, as bad as we are), however in terms of Allen i do feel like had he come to us he'd have been trash. Whereas the Bills purposely built schemes and the roster at each stage of his development to suit his talents/hide his weaknesses, all the while coaching him and improving them flaws, we have done nothing of that with Darnold. If we had got the raw Josh Allen with shaky accuracy Mac wouldn't have changed his drafting/FA signings at all, and we would have still signed Gase, and we'd be in the same mess. Allen is amazing now, he is outstanding, but he was a project coming out and the Bills handled him perfectly. We would have made an absolute pigs ear of it. FWIW I feel the same about Lamar Jackson - we'd have tried to turn him into a traditional drop-back pocket passer and not done anything to build an offense around his rushing skills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Let's face it. If the Jets drafted Allen, he would be total garbage right now. Allen and Darnold were pretty even their rookie seasons, then the Jets went south and the Bills built a team with a real coach. Switch places and Darnold is a golden boy and Allen is a mess. Just sayin' Darnold is a victim, not the cause. That said, I think he is ruined here and its time to move on. The lesson is that the Jets need to bring along the next QB the right way - with an OL, receivers, and a coach who can coach. Elite QB's aren't victims they take control of their destiny. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Wonderboy said: I’ve read a similar post just like this here. It’s like deja vu. Nice wordplay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, morny said: I agree with your overall point (for example, both Watson and Mahomes would be studs for us, as bad as we are), however in terms of Allen i do feel like had he come to us he'd have been trash. Whereas the Bills purposely built schemes and the roster at each stage of his development to suit his talents/hide his weaknesses, all the while coaching him and improving them flaws, we have done nothing of that with Darnold. If we had got the raw Josh Allen with shaky accuracy Mac wouldn't have changed his drafting/FA signings at all, and we would have still signed Gase, and we'd be in the same mess. Allen is amazing now, he is outstanding, but he was a project coming out and the Bills handled him perfectly. We would have made an absolute pigs ear of it. FWIW I feel the same about Lamar Jackson - we'd have tried to turn him into a traditional drop-back pocket passer and not done anything to build an offense around his rushing skills. Gotcha, thanks for the explanation. Jets certainly haven't won any awards for QB development. 13 minutes ago, Biggs said: Elite QB's aren't victims they take control of their destiny. Yep. FQBs make their own weaponzzz, not the other way around. Austin Collie was on pace for 1,400 yards and 14 TDs with Manning in 2010, before he got hurt. After that year, 600 yards and 1 TDs for the remainder of his career. Obviously better weaponz are better, always. But if a QB is worst-in-the-league level for three straight years, no weaponzzz in the world are gonna make him a good QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said: Mahomes, Watson, Allen. I wish Chris Johnson could hire Maccagnan again just so they could fire him. He’ll probably sign Bell to a mega deal again before he gets fired...again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 We also could have stayed Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Tom Brady,... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Watson was the fish that got away. How Macc decided that he had his QB in Hackenberg & passed on Watson for a damn box safety will be viewed as a cautionary tale for every GM going forward! And the most painful part was if you did a poll on this site with real Jet fans Watson would have been the pick by a LANDSLIDE & none of us get PAID to make these decisions. That one really hurts because of the draft capital that had to be wasted to move up to #3 in 2018. Just Painful. A lot of coaches would take this job with Watson here. Very good QB & even a better person. Total swing & miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Plus Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson. Plus perhaps Aaron Rodgers, if we'd traded up slightly rather than traded down for Doug Jolley. And he certainly doesn't count as a great or maybe even very good QB, but certainly Matt Ryan over Vernon Gholston would have been better, no? Just one meaningless win cost us even that. The list of solid or HOF QB's this franchise could have realistically drafted grows by the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Plus Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson. Plus perhaps Aaron Rodgers, if we'd traded up slightly rather than traded down for Doug Jolley. And he certainly doesn't count as a great or maybe even very good QB, but certainly Matt Ryan over Vernon Gholston would have been better, no? Just one meaningless win cost us even that. The list of solid or HOF QB's this franchise could have realistically drafted grows by the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 9:27 PM, jgb said: Don’t forget MVP Lamar. Macc was like those Loony Toons when Elmer Fudd or whatever swings 3 times at the same pitch and strikes out. bugs as the pitcher with the super slow pitch!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 6:28 AM, Wonderboy said: Mahomes, Allen, Watson. Whew damn I need a triple mocha espresso. It’s crazy Mike Maccagnan is still unemployed, I can’t figure out why, he was the Exec of the year you know! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, BurnleyJet said: It’s crazy Mike Maccagnan is still unemployed, I can’t figure out why, he was the Exec of the year you know! So was Jerry Jones the year before I think. Does that guy who decides that award still have a job? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Yeah, but we didn't. We had a beach ball coming down the middle of the plate. The one you can't miss on. The Johnson brothers swung and wound up hitting SAR's Porsche in the lot. He thanked them for the damage and reupped his season tickets at the decade discount. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 23 hours ago, nyjunc said: We also could have stayed Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Tom Brady,... i think i'd leave rice off that list. didn't they draft toon instead? imo toon was every bit as good of a receiver as rice except he got clobbered making those catches over the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 the thing about these qbs the jets had a chance at is that at least 3, mahommes, allen, wilson, went to teams that were getting established or ascending. watson went to a team that was plateauing. had these guys gone to the jets they would have been on a team in decline. remember maccagnan was still stocking the shelves. timing is everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 12:35 AM, GreenFish said: "We like Geno..." "We like Bryce..." "We like Christian..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 1:05 AM, The Gun Of Bavaria said: Dude - are we really going to play the "We could have drafted....." game at this point in the history of the franchise? I think the issue of who we've missed out on has been covered Ad nauseam Well the list keeps growing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamLurker Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 The people saying if we drafted Allen, he would be trash are actually correct.... I stand correct, and agree with them. Most of what Allen is doing is due to 1) Supremely talented team 2) Great coaching 3) Play calling We have none of these 3 things hahaha. Therefore, Allen would be a bust here. He was borderline bust until this year when they hauled in some talent. Put Sam in BUF, I would argue BUF would be better, cause Sam is a better pure QB than Allen......Yes.....I said that....... Now, Lamar, Hurts, Watson, or Mahomes would still be solid, because they are supremely talented athletes. I mean, Lamar does not really have a stacked team, nor does Hurts. We seen how bad Philly was with Wentz in there, but they look day and night with Hurts. The best current QBs, are athletic guys with Brees, Ben, and Brady on the decline. This is why Fields and Trevor makes sense to the Jets, because athletic QBs can mend a bad OL. They can mend WRs ability to get open by extending plays. They can mend a lack of running game, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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