TuscanyTile2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Story about the guy (Damon Arnette) the Raiders drafted 7 picks after they took Ruggs. https://dailysnark.com/2021/11/05/raiders-cb-damon-arnette-posts-video-waving-guns-around-threatening-to-kill-someone/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 League may have to dip in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 5 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Story about the guy (Damon Arnette) the Raiders drafted 7 picks after they took Ruggs. https://dailysnark.com/2021/11/05/raiders-cb-damon-arnette-posts-video-waving-guns-around-threatening-to-kill-someone/ This is what happens when you move to Vegas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Hex said: This is what happens when you move to Vegas I just made this its own thread since I didn't think people were still clicking on this one. Right as I did that, you posted this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I just made this its own thread since I didn't think people were still clicking on this one. Right as I did that, you posted this. Darn! I think it deserved its own thread anyways 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Hex said: This is what happens when you move to Vegas Crazy people in every sport. Vegas isn't the problem. Aaron Hernandez was a prime example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: Crazy people in every sport. Vegas isn't the problem. Aaron Hernandez was a prime example. Ah yes, THE PATRIOT WAY. Been a long time now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Not to mention the language in that video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I think Arnette was always known as a bit of a problem child in college, so not as surprised about him having issues now he is a pro. The Ruggs one is much more surprising to me just because of his back story with his friend who died in a car crash. Money, fame and entitlement can do scary things to people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 18 hours ago, Hex said: This is what happens when you move to Vegas 12 hours ago, Fantasy Island said: Crazy people in every sport. Vegas isn't the problem. Aaron Hernandez was a prime example. Easily could’ve been Chris Herndon who was driving 100mph drunk and smashed into another car. Same off season a Jets LB was popped driving drunk the wrong way through the Lincoln tunnel. It was dumb, blind luck neither of those resulted in fatalities. When stuff like this happens isn’t not the time to try to make a point that “our players are good boys while team X has a rotten culture.” Stupidity doesn’t care about the color of your jersey. Every team is filled with young, rich, somewhat entitled athletes with prefrontal cortexes still under development. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, jgb said: Easily could’ve been Chris Herndon who was driving 100mph wrong way through Lincoln Tunnel. Or Marcus Maye. It's just blind luck that these guys didn't also end up killing someone while driving drunk. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbstern Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 4:57 PM, HighPitch said: And assuming he was smart enough to protect his assets, this clown will probably only do 5 years max. When he comes out, he will be a late 20’s millionaire. The mom and dad? They will still be in therapy. I can just see it now: 2026. Dateline NBC. Interview. The Henry Ruggs foundation. Created by a repentant Ruggs while he was in prison to bring awareness to drunk driving. Sobbing...”I was young, I didnt know how to handle the fame and money....I felt invincible” ” See I told you he has a soul...”...gastieau lives meanwhile theres a coffin with a burnt girl in it and parents still in therapy The math won't work out that way. His four year deal was worth $16 mil. About $9 mil of that was guaranteed signing bonus. In theory, between 1.5 years comp and signing bonus, he earned about $11 mil. BUT, the Raiders will likely seek to void the fully guaranted signing bonus (possible when the person receiving the bonus does something morally repugnant and illegal). His total comp for his 1.5 years in the league, if the bonus guarantee is voided, will be about $6 mil. He'll have to pay back the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus, assuming he has it. Factor in: Agent fees, federal and state taxes. That's easily 50% of the gross. Unknown: Cost of legal fees to represent him in this case. Unknown: Income from endorsement deals (now dead, too). Unknown: What investments he might have made since the signing. Also unknown: How much $$$ he gave away or blew on things like Corvettes, jewelry, vacations, etc. My guess is, if he's lucky, his girlfriend, daughter and mom will have enough money to be comfortable for a few years, and Mr. Ruggs will then be broke. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/7/2021 at 8:19 AM, jgb said: Easily could’ve been Chris Herndon who was driving 100mph drunk and smashed into another car. Same off season a Jets LB was popped driving drunk the wrong way through the Lincoln tunnel. It was dumb, blind luck neither of those resulted in fatalities. When stuff like this happens isn’t not the time to try to make a point that “our players are good boys while team X has a rotten culture.” Stupidity doesn’t care about the color of your jersey. Every team is filled with young, rich, somewhat entitled athletes with prefrontal cortexes still under development. It was Dylan Donahue who entered the wrong way at the Lincoln Tunnel. Herndon had the 5 AM DWI accident on Rte 80 East in Rockaway Township right at the Rockaway mall exit. Couple of major jerks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dcat said: It was Dylan Donahue who entered the wrong way at the Lincoln Tunnel. Herndon had the 5 AM DWI accident on Rte 80 East in Rockaway Township right at the Rockaway mall exit. Couple of major jerks. I really don't get it. I've driven before after a couple. I'm sure once or twice I was over the limit. And I drove like a grandma. Complete stops. 5 miles under the limit. 5 car lengths back. Etc. Not justifying it at all but what is with combining the booze with the reckless driving? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/7/2021 at 8:14 AM, mrcoops said: I think Arnette was always known as a bit of a problem child in college, so not as surprised about him having issues now he is a pro. The Ruggs one is much more surprising to me just because of his back story with his friend who died in a car crash. Money, fame and entitlement can do scary things to people. Money, fame and entitlement can do scary things to *fools* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, jgb said: I really don't get it. I've driven before after a couple. I'm sure once or twice I was over the limit. And I drove like a grandma. Complete stops. 5 miles under the limit. 5 car lengths back. Etc. Not justifying it at all but what is with combining the booze with the reckless driving? Makes me think they drive that way all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Makes me think they drive that way all the time. I think you prob nailed it. Also doubt my '88 Camry could've exceeded any speed limits anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, jgb said: I really don't get it. I've driven before after a couple. I'm sure once or twice I was over the limit. And I drove like a grandma. Complete stops. 5 miles under the limit. 5 car lengths back. Etc. Not justifying it at all but what is with combining the booze with the reckless driving? Probably because you were right at the legal limit of .08 (in most states) which for most people is an impairment, but only a slight impairment, so you still had enough sense to realize I shouldn't be driving but since I am, I'm going to be extra extra careful. Now....at .18 (or whatever Ruggs was at) the idea of, hey check out how fast I can go in my suped up car, seems like a really fun idea. That's because you're so impaired, not only are things like reflexes, awareness etc. impaired, but so is your thought process. Add on the idea that this is a young athlete who's ego makes him thinks he's on top of the world, and disaster strikes. Years and years ago, when I was a DUI prosecutor, I would have so many cases with people who were just at or above the legal limit. Many times they got pulled over, not for issues like swerving or rolling through stops signs, but things like having the little white light that illuminates the license plate out, or other real simple things. But not "driving like a drunk". This is why you've seen a ton of commericals in the past few years re: Buzzed driving is Drunk driving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: Probably because you were right at the legal limit of .08 (in most states) which for most people is an impairment, but only a slight impairment, so you still had enough sense to realize I shouldn't be driving but since I am, I'm going to be extra extra careful. Now....at .18 (or whatever Ruggs was at) the idea of, hey check out how fast I can go in my suped up car, seems like a really fun idea. That's because you're so impaired, not only are things like reflexes, awareness etc. impaired, but so is your thought process. Add on the idea that this is a young athlete who's ego makes him thinks he's on top of the world, and disaster strikes. Years and years ago, when I was a DUI prosecutor, I would have so many cases with people who were just at or above the legal limit. Many times they got pulled over, not for issues like swerving or rolling through stops signs, but things like having the little white light that illuminates the license plate out, or other real simple things. But not "driving like a drunk". This is why you've seen a ton of commericals in the past few years re: Buzzed driving is Drunk driving. Thanks IJ. Makes sense. I wonder if the ubiquity of ride-hailing apps has reduced drunk driver arrests/accidents. Not that there was ever an excuse -- any bar in the world would call you a cab and let you leave your ride in the parking lot until the next morning, one bar in my hometown the owner would drive you home himself if you were bombed -- but now it's barely even an inconvenience. I'm sure they have them but bars should have lockers on time lock for you to lock up your keys that can't be opened until the next day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, jgb said: Thanks IJ. Makes sense. I wonder if the ubiquity of ride-hailing apps has reduced drunk driver arrests/accidents. Not that there was ever an excuse -- any bar in the world would call you a cab and let you leave your ride in the parking lot until the next morning, one bar in my hometown the owner would drive you home himself if you were bombed -- but now it's barely even an inconvenience. I'm sure they have them but bars should have lockers on time lock for you to lock up your keys that can't be opened until the next day. Keyshawn said it best... Something along the lines of, 'I always felt like more of a baller when I stepped out of a big black SUV that someone else was driving - they get out and open the door for me. I don't get why any of these kids drive themselves anywhere.' Not only is at super easy to not have this issue, it's actually much cooler. That much money, I'm letting some dude drive me around in the back of a Mercedes G Wagon - no question. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: Probably because you were right at the legal limit of .08 (in most states) which for most people is an impairment, but only a slight impairment, so you still had enough sense to realize I shouldn't be driving but since I am, I'm going to be extra extra careful. Now....at .18 (or whatever Ruggs was at) the idea of, hey check out how fast I can go in my suped up car, seems like a really fun idea. That's because you're so impaired, not only are things like reflexes, awareness etc. impaired, but so is your thought process. Add on the idea that this is a young athlete who's ego makes him thinks he's on top of the world, and disaster strikes. Years and years ago, when I was a DUI prosecutor, I would have so many cases with people who were just at or above the legal limit. Many times they got pulled over, not for issues like swerving or rolling through stops signs, but things like having the little white light that illuminates the license plate out, or other real simple things. But not "driving like a drunk". This is why you've seen a ton of commericals in the past few years re: Buzzed driving is Drunk driving. Since you were a DUI prosecutor thought you'd appreciate this story. Once at UNC I was the designated driver. We were athletes so we took it seriously because 1 offense and you were off the team (no second chances for non-revenue sport athletes lol). 2am, bar closes, the other dudes are bombed and I'm stone sober. We get to my teammate's car... it's a manual... I had driven one maybe twice not to mention I am a horrendous driver in any case. So I start driving. Bucking, stalling, screeching tires, the whole 9 yards. We get pulled on suspicion of my driving drunk because I was so terrible. I explain the situation to the cop. He looks at the Passenger (car owner). Cop: "This your car?" P: "Yep." *hiccup* Cop: "So you can drive a stick?" P: "Of courze." Cop: "You all going to the same place?" P: "Yezzir." Cop: "How far?" P: "'Bout a mile." Cop gives it a think. Cop: "OK, willing to wager you drunk is less dangerous than your buddy sober. You drive, I follow. One mile over the limit I'm taking you to jail." Ah the good ol' days. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 11:41 AM, TuscanyTile2 said: Story about the guy (Damon Arnette) the Raiders drafted 7 picks after they took Ruggs. https://dailysnark.com/2021/11/05/raiders-cb-damon-arnette-posts-video-waving-guns-around-threatening-to-kill-someone/ They just released Arnette...talk about a bad draft class... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, IndianaJet said: They just released Arnette...talk about a bad draft class... "The Mayock 7" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 8:41 AM, TuscanyTile2 said: Story about the guy (Damon Arnette) the Raiders drafted 7 picks after they took Ruggs. https://dailysnark.com/2021/11/05/raiders-cb-damon-arnette-posts-video-waving-guns-around-threatening-to-kill-someone/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD-m9seBbN8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: They just released Arnette...talk about a bad draft class... And all for something so minor like posting a video brandishing multiple guns and threatening to kill someone. Man, the Raiders sure know how to find society's finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, munchmemory said: And all for something so minor like posting a video brandishing multiple guns and threatening to kill someone. Man, the Raiders sure know how to find society's finest. I don’t man, I’ve had my moments when someone wouldn’t leggo of my eggo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 1:39 PM, DetroitRed said: Ruggs is a POS. Million $ athlete who has no excuse to drive drunk. In the year 2021, why can't we make every car produced , drunk driver proof? it's only a matter of time until all vehicles require a breathalyzer to be cleared before the engine turns over. Behaviorally, these tragic stories are not dissuading 20 something year olds - in large part due to cognitive impairment. When you're plastered, entire sections of your brain go on standby. It's like asking someone who sleepwalked -- "Why did you eat all the ham, Charlie?!.." 25 years from now, when any motorized machine requires proof of sobriety, we'll look back on these DUI-times like we do now on those days before seatbelts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Paradis said: it's only a matter of time until all vehicles require a breathalyzer to be cleared before the engine turns over. Behaviorally, these tragic stories are not dissuading 20 something year olds - in large part due to cognitive impairment. When plastered, entire sections of your brain go on standby. It's like asking someone who sleep-walked -- "Why did you eat all the ham, Charlie?!.." 25 years from now, when any motorized machine requires proof of sobriety, we'll look back on this times like those days before seatbelts. I would sign up for this today. I cringe thinking about some drunk coming through a light and killing my wife or kid. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 hours ago, rbstern said: The math won't work out that way. His four year deal was worth $16 mil. About $9 mil of that was guaranteed signing bonus. In theory, between 1.5 years comp and signing bonus, he earned about $11 mil. BUT, the Raiders will likely seek to void the fully guaranted signing bonus (possible when the person receiving the bonus does something morally repugnant and illegal). His total comp for his 1.5 years in the league, if the bonus guarantee is voided, will be about $6 mil. He'll have to pay back the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus, assuming he has it. Factor in: Agent fees, federal and state taxes. That's easily 50% of the gross. Unknown: Cost of legal fees to represent him in this case. Unknown: Income from endorsement deals (now dead, too). Unknown: What investments he might have made since the signing. Also unknown: How much $$$ he gave away or blew on things like Corvettes, jewelry, vacations, etc. My guess is, if he's lucky, his girlfriend, daughter and mom will have enough money to be comfortable for a few years, and Mr. Ruggs will then be broke. No state income tax in NV, which is where he received his signing bonus. But yeah the Raiders are going to get a portion of that back - or at least seek it - and if they do that'll probably get done before any lawsuit settlement, leaving the decedent's family SOL unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, munchmemory said: I would sign up for this today. I cringe thinking about some drunk coming through a light and killing my wife or kid. Agreed. 100% I don't have the research to back it up -- but i would comfortably assume that all the "awareness" campaigns, DUI-mitigating services, and law-enforcement efforts have plateaued in terms of curbing incident rates... In other words, those who were going to respond to that type of intervention - have. No amount of slogans, threats of incarceration, and easy to use driver services was going to stop guys like Ruggs from thinking he was ready for the quarter mile that night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: "The Mayock 7" Quote Mayock acknowledged there was "significant concern" regarding Arnette before the draft. "Obviously, we missed. That is 100 percent on me," he said, per ESPN.com. https://www.nfl.com/news/raiders-releasing-former-first-round-cb-damon-arnette Quote His career in Vegas will end after just 13 games played and three total passes defensed over two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 hours ago, ZachEY said: Keyshawn said it best... Something along the lines of, 'I always felt like more of a baller when I stepped out of a big black SUV that someone else was driving - they get out and open the door for me. I don't get why any of these kids drive themselves anywhere.' Not only is at super easy to not have this issue, it's actually much cooler. That much money, I'm letting some dude drive me around in the back of a Mercedes G Wagon - no question. I’d go with the back of a different food truck each time but 100% agree! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Don’t know if someone has posted this but more felony dui charges have been brought against Ruggs. If convicted facing 46 years in prison. Still not long enough IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 4:45 PM, Dcat said: Wow, have we descended to the lowest level of us telling each other what we are allowed or not allowed to feel after a tragedy? How about no? Took the words right out of my mouth. It is possible to feel bad for both without needing to pass judgement. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Legit question: If the Jets went through the past month the Raiders did, would you be back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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