Can Zach Wilson ever become an alpha like this guy?

[Beerfish]

You do not have to be an alpha male to be a good QB.  If it is not in your nature the worst thing is trying to pretend what you are not, people know you are full of shi*

You guys should know from your work environments that for every genuine alpha leader who is good and competent and a leader of men there are 5 posers and fakes.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

24 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

“Toxic masculinity” is the preferred nomenclature, I believe 

yeah, that stuff sucks too

[football guy]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

This place is full on toxic.  
 

I’m trying to stay positive but I’ve never seen a fan base attack it’s most important player so much. For zero reason.  For a kid by ALL accounts is working his ass off and has shown immense year over year progress.  
 

I think I’m giving myself a time out - team in a 3 game winning streak and this is what we get.  Sad. 

You gotta love the fans that hated on guys like Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers looking up to them as saviors while hating on their own second year quarterback for the exact same reasons why they hated on Hurts and Allen in the first place ?

[32EBoozer]

1 minute ago, football guy said:

You gotta love the fans that hated on guys like Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers looking up to them as saviors while hating on their own second year quarterback for the exact same reasons why they hated on Hurts and Allen in the first place ?

Usually, overly critical people have low self-esteem. 

[hotrodcharlie]

Wilson doesn't have that and likely never will. 

Not every player is a leader, giving him the C was just dumb, but that's okay. I'm more concerned about his play than his status in the locker room. He needs to be more decisive out there 

[frankiepapa]

Imagine if he was 2-1 these last 3 weeks instead of a PERFECT record coming out of the gate in his sophomore season, taking over the game in the 4th Qtr in Pittsburgh and making enough plays within each game-plan to secure victories while eliminating any catastrophic mistakes?

Just saying, no we didn't throw the ball a lot Sunday against green bay but probably the most critical drive he threw a first down pass to Davis, then the 40 yard pass to Davis that set up the hall td on the next play...critical scoring drive...

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[Warfish]

31 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

You do not have to be an alpha male to be a good QB.  If it is not in your nature the worst thing is trying to pretend what you are not, people know you are full of shi*

You guys should know from your work environments that for every genuine alpha leader who is good and competent and a leader of men there are 5 posers and fakes.

"That Leadership Stuff, It's All Overrated" - Jeff George, Washington Redskins Quarterback

[Warfish]

20 minutes ago, football guy said:

You gotta love the fans that hated on guys like Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers looking up to them as saviors while hating on their own second year quarterback for the exact same reasons why they hated on Hurts and Allen in the first place ?

Do you honestly believe Zach Wilson will be rivaling Josh Allen in QB production metrics any time soon?

If so, let me know when we can expect that to start happening.

[Mogglez]

5 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

This place is full on toxic.  
 

I’m trying to stay positive but I’ve never seen a fan base attack it’s most important player so much. For zero reason.  For a kid by ALL accounts is working his ass off and has shown immense year over year progress.  
 

I think I’m giving myself a time out - team in a 3 game winning streak and this is what we get.  Sad. 

This place has, quite frankly, sucked for the last month.  I like some of the people on a personal level, but I find myself participating less and less lately with the general community, so I’m right there with you.  It’s not fun anymore.

[More Cowbell]

2 hours ago, Bronx said:

 

He only makes a speech like that to a room full of Milfs

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

If Zach sucks this year in a playoff loss I will change my screen name  to Jet Nut’s Fat Bitch! If he doesn’t I’ll keep The Crusher. 

You might want to rethink the phrasing on that. 

[65 Toss Power Trap]

Absolutely.

[bitonti]

10 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

This place has, quite frankly, sucked for the last month .  I like some of the people on a personal level, but I find myself participating less and less lately with the general community, so I’m right there with you.  It’s not fun anymore.

bUt tHeY WoN ThReE gAmE$ Sr8T

[BornJetsFan1983]

2 hours ago, Bronx said:

 

I hope so! He did it in college. 

[PS17]

2 hours ago, dbatesman said:

the **** does this even mean

[munchmemory]

Whilst giving a motivational speech at NYC's Stonewall Inn?  Absolutely.

[Bungaman]

Once again ... 

[Beerfish]

57 minutes ago, Warfish said:

"That Leadership Stuff, It's All Overrated" - Jeff George, Washington Redskins Quarterback

You are confusing leadership with 'Alpha male'

Stafford, foles, flacco, eli manning, dilfer, brad johnson.  How many of these guys are alpha males.

We have no clue about zac wilson yet.

 

[Warfish]

Just now, Beerfish said:

You are confusing leadership with 'Alpha male'

Stafford, foles, flacco, eli manning, dilfer, brad johnson.  How many of these guys are alpha males.

We have no clue about zac wilson yet.

Got a year and a quarter of a clue so far...

[Maynard13]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

This place is full on toxic.  
 

I’m trying to stay positive but I’ve never seen a fan base attack it’s most important player so much. For zero reason.  For a kid by ALL accounts is working his ass off and has shown immense year over year progress.  
 

I think I’m giving myself a time out - team in a 3 game winning streak and this is what we get.  Sad. 

You tell em Captain

[Maynard13]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

You are confusing leadership with 'Alpha male'

Stafford, foles, flacco, eli manning, dilfer, brad johnson.  How many of these guys are alpha males.

We have no clue about zac wilson yet.

 

Zach aint a Aplha. He's a Milpha.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, football guy said:

You gotta love the fans that hated on guys like Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers looking up to them as saviors while hating on their own second year quarterback for the exact same reasons why they hated on Hurts and Allen in the first place ?

I love that when he plays well it was we’ll see, I’ll reserve judgement, when he struggles I have stats.  

I also like the Sanchez comparison, the team won not Sanchez.  Yet 2 of he 3 wins under ZW were games where he lit it up in the first 4th, and were comeback wins won on his arm.  

[20andOut]

Best start in years and this site is still miserable

 

[Bronx]

5 minutes ago, 20andOut said:

Best start in years and this site is still miserable

 

Thanks to Breeze Hall and Sauce.

[Sonny Werblin]

The jump that Hurts made this year was predicted by no one. Every Philly fan i know was done with him by the end of last season. Frankly, the transformation of Hurts has been nothing short of miraculous. The distance Zach must go to be aa good as Hurts is quite short compared to how far Hurts has come.

[oatmeal]

3 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Isn't alpha males exactly what we are trying to get rid of in society??

LMFAO 

[Embrace the Suck]

4 hours ago, Warfish said:

 

My reason for doubting and being critical of Zach Wilson is his ongoing very low production at the QB position.

The same way I would be critical of a cleanup hitter who didn't get hits, hit home runs or produce RBI's, I am critical of a QB who does not produce completions, TD's and Passing Yards while minimizing INT's.

Zach Wilson was 31st in the NFL in Completion % in 2021 (55.6%).  So far in 2022 he is 32nd. (56.0%)

Zach Wilson was 29th in the NFL in Passing TD % in 2021 (2.3%).  So far in 2022 he is 34th (1.3%).

Zach Wilson was 6th worst in INT% in 2021 (2.9%).  So far in 2022 he is 16th (2.7%).

Zach Wilson was 30th in Passing Yards Per Game (179.5).  So far in 2022 he is 30th (190.7).

Zach Wilson was 31st in QB Rating (69.7).  So far in 2022 he is 32nd (73.9).

This IS a reason.  You do not have to like it.  You do not have to accept it.  You do not have to believe it's his fault.  You can think whatever you like.

But make no mistake, there are reasons to doubt Zach Wilson and to question his future as a Franchise QB. 

Like with Mark Sanchez before him, the TEAM is winning in spite of Zach, not because of Zach so far.

Are those numbers supposed to be surprising? Zach was drafted to a team at #2 because the team he was drafted to sucked ass. So it's no surprise that in 2021, as a rookie, he ranked quite low. Zach has only played in 3 games in 2022 so he probably wouldn't have much yardage compared to those who started every game; particularly those in a pass first offense. He may not be the guy in the end, but it's as if some want a decision now just in case he actually gets better this season.

[oatmeal]

3 hours ago, football guy said:

You gotta love the fans that hated on guys like Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers looking up to them as saviors while hating on their own second year quarterback for the exact same reasons why they hated on Hurts and Allen in the first place ?

[RedBeardedSavage]

It's a weird thread.

That speech was neither particularly inspirational or meaningful. 

And then you have the Zach contingent upset that people are skeptical about Zach.

This sh*t isn't so complicated. When Zach starts playing like a franchise quarterback consistently, most Jets fans will be like "yup, this the dude".

I still think he can, but he hasn't yet, and since he hasn't yet, you understand that there will be those saying he never will because nearly everything that could've gone wrong, has gone wrong for over a decade. 

Anyways, props to @Beerfish with a great post in here. 

[Jet Nut]

4 hours ago, dbatesman said:

the **** does this even mean

It’s another thread where the same people can bitch and moan about the QB

 

[usanyj]

5 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

This place is full on toxic.  
 

I’m trying to stay positive but I’ve never seen a fan base attack it’s most important player so much. For zero reason.  For a kid by ALL accounts is working his ass off and has shown immense year over year progress.  
 

I think I’m giving myself a time out - team in a 3 game winning streak and this is what we get.  Sad. 

This x1000000

[slimjasi]

4 hours ago, football guy said:

You gotta love the fans that hated on guys like Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers looking up to them as saviors while hating on their own second year quarterback for the exact same reasons why they hated on Hurts and Allen in the first place ?

LMAO 

Nailed it 

[Lith]

5 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I had people on this site last year telling me you could never win w/a QB like Jalen Hurts.

I was probably one of them.

[Supersonic]

6 hours ago, JohnnyBravo said:

Jets fans are rightfully skeptical because we have been burned so many times by these young QBs.

Its the same old song 

QB gets drafted, QB struggles, people say we need to be patient, Jets move on after 3-4 seasons. 

Zach isn’t getting the benefit of the doubt in large part because Darnold is so fresh in everyone’s mind. 

Nonsense.  "Rightfully Skeptical", lol.  You're making a choice based on your own insecurity.  If you're not smart enough to realize a young, inexperienced QB needs time to develop, that's on you.  If you are,  then you're just a really sh!tty fan.

[JohnnyBravo]

https://youtu.be/eq_3NMz7Q64

Can a beta make a throw like this?