Popular Post DoubleDown Posted November 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2022 Please change the thread title to "Josh Allen makes politically correct statement about Zach Wilson." 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghost Posted November 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2022 This is equivalent to a girl having a “nice personality.” Like he sucks ass in football but he’s a nice and cool dude. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I see it now.... ZW says.... Woo Hoo... the guys in blue are open every play this is easy picking..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 9 hours ago, DoubleDown said: Please change the thread title to "Josh Allen makes politically correct statement about Zach Wilson." Please change every thread title to Jets Fans rip on Zach Wilson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Please change every thread title to Jets Fans rip on Zach Wilson These fans don't deserve a good team. I kind of enjoy hearing their stories of misery going to jets games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 14 hours ago, Darnold's Forehead said: I don't even think Zach is trying to "be the hero" half the time. I really just think he's shook, seeing ghosts, etc. I counted 8 plays where Wilson prematurely ran out of the pocket and threw it away, not including the picks. That's 8 completely wasted plays that the rest of the offense had nothing to do with. Including his picks, that's ~25% of pass plays where Wilson did not even throw to a receiver. OL blocks enough for an on time throw to be made, but instead Wilson panics and gives his playmakers zero chance. Horrible ints and boneheaded decisions are not Wilson's biggest issue. I REALLY hope the coaches are not simply telling him to "just throw it away," because later on in the game he started chucking them out of bounds way too early, like he was giving up. He cannot handle the slightest bit of pressure and he bails way too quickly, which ruins the WR's routes because when they're supposed to be getting the ball, Zach's got his back to them. Below are two back to back plays, 9 minutes left trying to come back and he just freaks out and completely disconnects from the play (only a 4 man rush!). Zach screws his receivers, OL and OC like this constantly. The more I watch him the more I think he just has no idea what he's doing. This is also not factoring in his huge issue with ball placement and touch. The Jury would take less than 30 minutes to come back with guilty on all counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: These fans don't deserve a good team. I kind of enjoy hearing their stories of misery going to jets games. Shyeah, that's it. ? You didn't even watch the video Darnold's Forehead posted, did you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 14 hours ago, bitonti said: Couldn't have said it better Non Zach notes about this game the patriots are very beatable this year and Jets defense played their t!ts off To give up 22 points when the pats had like 5 drives start on short fields due to the turnovers and the FG miss and Manns shank was a great job. The pick 6 being called back too. There were plenty of people bashing this 8 man rotation but Quinnen is having a career year Braden Mann irks me too. It's not like he was a high pick but a drafted punter should be better Maybe the Jets could have found a punter who shanks it without using a draft pick on him Dude, they have been beatable since 2020. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 23 hours ago, JetPotato said: Correct. Allen runs FORWARD. LOL Josh basically telling Zach to stay in pocket and go thru at least 3 progressions before bailing aka trust players to be where playbook says. He tries to Pop Warner it all the time and after primary covered he scrambles thinking he facing Montana State CBs and will find someone open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDecker Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Not exactly the same but definitely can see some parallels and what Allen is referencing happened in his Patriots game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 17 hours ago, More Cowbell said: I actually have no idea what you are talking about. I know the gif was a bit cryptic but I didn't expect this. It looks like Mike Glennon vs. Josh Rosen as far as I am concerned.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/2/2022 at 12:38 PM, MykePM said: Josh Allen should stop comparing Zach Wilson to Josh Allen? Josh Allen is an enormous monster who plays fearlessly. Zach is 6-1, 215 and turns his back on the D even in situations where he’s in no imminent danger. Josh should have mentioned that part, lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Could have seen this scenario from miles away with Wilson back when he was getting all the pre-draft hype. There is no substitute for putting in the work to develop the footwork, pocket habits, repeatable mechanics under pressure, football IQ, etc. it takes to succeed at this level. They ran the ball a ton at BYU behind a very good BYU OL that was giving him IDK what felt like maybe 7s to throw at times during a COVID year vs awful competition where the best team they faced was Coastal Carolina. Even so, he could rely on his athleticism, arm, and legs to bail him out of the rare bad protection situation in college. But it just doesn’t work in the NFL where everybody is faster, bigger and stronger. You can’t extend plays forever and you will get punished for trying. Saleh is doing a disservice to his QB telling him and the world he can “go and be Superman” whenever a play breaks down. The injury could be in the back of his mind, too. Last year he wouldn’t hesitate to take off given so much space. The preseason injury occurred on a routine scramble. He’s afraid of getting hit in the pocket and afraid of getting hurt out of the pocket. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I hope I'm wrong and I will gladly eat crow, but Zach is not going to have a good game against Buffalo. They will give him enough rope and he will hang himself with it. How to beat Zach? Make him comfortable. When he's comfortable, he does stupid sh*t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, Green DNA said: It looks like Mike Glennon vs. Josh Rosen as far as I am concerned.. Actually it's a whiplash with SuicidalSince98 constantly changing positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightattendant Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/2/2022 at 12:11 PM, Mario said: How many explosives do you think ZW has on Sunday? Are we counting the ones in his pants during blitzes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Could have seen this scenario from miles away with Wilson back when he was getting all the pre-draft hype. There is no substitute for putting in the work to develop the footwork, pocket habits, repeatable mechanics under pressure, football IQ, etc. it takes to succeed at this level. They ran the ball a ton at BYU behind a very good BYU OL that was giving him IDK what felt like maybe 7s to throw at times during a COVID year vs awful competition where the best team they faced was Coastal Carolina. Even so, he could rely on his athleticism, arm, and legs to bail him out of the rare bad protection situation in college. But it just doesn’t work in the NFL where everybody is faster, bigger and stronger. You can’t extend plays forever and you will get punished for trying. Saleh is doing a disservice to his QB telling him and the world he can “go and be Superman” whenever a play breaks down. The injury could be in the back of his mind, too. Last year he wouldn’t hesitate to take off given so much space. The preseason injury occurred on a routine scramble. He’s afraid of getting hit in the pocket and afraid of getting hurt out of the pocket. the fear of getting hit might have caused the lack of a run in the 4th down play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Could have seen this scenario from miles away with Wilson back when he was getting all the pre-draft hype. There is no substitute for putting in the work to develop the footwork, pocket habits, repeatable mechanics under pressure, football IQ, etc. it takes to succeed at this level. They ran the ball a ton at BYU behind a very good BYU OL that was giving him IDK what felt like maybe 7s to throw at times during a COVID year vs awful competition where the best team they faced was Coastal Carolina. Even so, he could rely on his athleticism, arm, and legs to bail him out of the rare bad protection situation in college. But it just doesn’t work in the NFL where everybody is faster, bigger and stronger. You can’t extend plays forever and you will get punished for trying. Saleh is doing a disservice to his QB telling him and the world he can “go and be Superman” whenever a play breaks down. The injury could be in the back of his mind, too. Last year he wouldn’t hesitate to take off given so much space. The preseason injury occurred on a routine scramble. He’s afraid of getting hit in the pocket and afraid of getting hurt out of the pocket. I think Wilson puts in the work. The problem is, as you stated at the end, he's afraid of getting hit. There is a famous Brazilian Jiu Jitsu coach (I forgot his name) who when he was sparring with black belts at the dojo would normally handle them pretty easily, but the minute you asked him to do it in front of a crowd, he would freeze and get dominated. No matter how much you practice, people are either born with the ability to stay calm and perform or they aren't. I would comfortably bet a reasonable amount of money (for me) that Wilson will never significantly improve under pressure because he just doesn't have the nerve for it. To quote Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, maury77 said: I think Wilson puts in the work. The problem is, as you stated at the end, he's afraid of getting hit. There is a famous Brazilian Jiu Jitsu coach (I forgot his name) who when he was sparring with black belts at the dojo would normally handle them pretty easily, but the minute you asked him to do it in front of a crowd, he would freeze and get dominated. No matter how much you practice, people are either born with the ability to stay calm and perform or they aren't. I would comfortably bet a reasonable amount of money (for me) that Wilson will never significantly improve under pressure because he just doesn't have the nerve for it. To quote Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." I disagree. Wilson performed in college in front of a lot of people. I think this is more about offseason work. People talk about Allen, but he literally spent 3 months with full days with his QB coach in the 2020 off-season to fix his mechanics to where they were natural. Mahomes does the same thing. We even had long debates because Darnold had the same QB coach and that QB coach said something about an 'unamed QB' (that many suspected was Darnold) and the difference between him and Allen being "You get guys who work on it then do it once and walk off the field thinking they got it.. Allen does it once then works on it a hundred more times." Yes, Zach works with Beck in the offseason. I know we don't know the full scale of his offseason activities, but Wilson needs to spend a LOT of time to make those mechanics natural so that when he's trying to make something happen.. it's not something wild. His issues aren't ones that generally can be fixed during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, DoubleDecker said: Not exactly the same but definitely can see some parallels and what Allen is referencing happened in his Patriots game. Thing is, Josh Allen doesn't look frantic here. He stood calmly in the pocket until he had to bail, didn't drift backwards, just made a bad decision on letting it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 hours ago, PFSIKH said: Dude, they have been beatable since 2020. yes now they are VERY beatable and we still couldn't do it ugh emoji 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, maury77 said: I think Wilson puts in the work. The problem is, as you stated at the end, he's afraid of getting hit. There is a famous Brazilian Jiu Jitsu coach (I forgot his name) who when he was sparring with black belts at the dojo would normally handle them pretty easily, but the minute you asked him to do it in front of a crowd, he would freeze and get dominated. No matter how much you practice, people are either born with the ability to stay calm and perform or they aren't. I would comfortably bet a reasonable amount of money (for me) that Wilson will never significantly improve under pressure because he just doesn't have the nerve for it. To quote Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." I could see this too. It's kind of like another way of saying he's choking, right? Sancho had a similar problem in that he was supposedly a whiz on the chalkboard and film room. Could answer every question. But very little of that knowledge and savvy translated to football field, or at least not enough for him to actually play the QB position at a high level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: yes now they are VERY beatable and we still couldn't do it ugh emoji this is the worst part that game was just there for the taking the only thing they couldn't allow to happen was to beat themselves Herm Edwards, who famously considered punting a "successful drive", would have annihilated Zach Wilson for those turnovers Saleh is fine with it apparently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 You guys are overthinking this Wilson is a young player that needs time to develop Pretty simple 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/2/2022 at 12:15 PM, CanadaSteve said: I get it....Zach Wilson fans are holding on desperately. If you want to sit on the ledge a little longer, we will sit here. I got all day. Wilson is 4-1. He has been excellent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan4life90 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, VJphillyfan said: Wilson is 4-1. He has been excellent In spite of him, not really because of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Just now, Jetsfan4life90 said: In spite of him, not really because of him. Just a very simpleminded and obtuse way of looking at it. Zach Wilson is a top 6 or 7 qb in the nfl already. Will end up being too 1. Chris Simms has magic brain powers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I hope Zach is the guy and that it all clicks. If it clicks, with his athletic ability, the Jets will be a dangerous team. Sauce vs Diggs is going to be fun to watch this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: I disagree. Wilson performed in college in front of a lot of people. I think this is more about offseason work. People talk about Allen, but he literally spent 3 months with full days with his QB coach in the 2020 off-season to fix his mechanics to where they were natural. Mahomes does the same thing. We even had long debates because Darnold had the same QB coach and that QB coach said something about an 'unamed QB' (that many suspected was Darnold) and the difference between him and Allen being "You get guys who work on it then do it once and walk off the field thinking they got it.. Allen does it once then works on it a hundred more times." Yes, Zach works with Beck in the offseason. I know we don't know the full scale of his offseason activities, but Wilson needs to spend a LOT of time to make those mechanics natural so that when he's trying to make something happen.. it's not something wild. His issues aren't ones that generally can be fixed during the season. My point wasn't about Wilson being able to play in front of crowds, it was that he gets the yips when he feels pressure in the pocket. You can't coach that out of him. It was the same thing I saw in Blaine Gabbert, who I also thought would be a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 5 hours ago, SouthernJet said: LOL Josh basically telling Zach to stay in pocket and go thru at least 3 progressions before bailing aka trust players to be where playbook says. He tries to Pop Warner it all the time and after primary covered he scrambles thinking he facing Montana State CBs and will find someone open https://www.nfl.com/videos/marc-ross-zach-wilson-a-huge-concern-for-jets-right-now https://www.nfl.com/videos/marc-ross-zach-wilson-a-huge-concern-for-jets-right-now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 My point wasn't about Wilson being able to play in front of crowds, it was that he gets the yips when he feels pressure in the pocket. You can't coach that out of him. It was the same thing I saw in Blaine Gabbert, who I also thought would be a bust. Never say never .... I heard the same adamance about Josh Allen's accuracy issues after year 1.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Jetsfan4life90 said: In spite of him, not really because of him. 5 hours ago, VJphillyfan said: Just a very simpleminded and obtuse way of looking at it. lol. 6 hours ago, VJphillyfan said: Wilson is 4-1. He has been excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 6 hours ago, VJphillyfan said: Wilson is 4-1. He has been excellent 6 hours ago, VJphillyfan said: Just a very simpleminded and obtuse way of looking at it. Zach Wilson is a top 6 or 7 qb in the nfl already. Will end up being too 1. Chris Simms has magic brain powers As stated, I will sit with you all day on the ledge while you sober up. Kool-Aid is VERY intoxicating and dangerous, but I am here for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Coquito said: I hope I'm wrong and I will gladly eat crow, but Zach is not going to have a good game against Buffalo. They will give him enough rope and he will hang himself with it. How to beat Zach? Make him comfortable. When he's comfortable, he does stupid sh*t. He actually is one of the best QBs when he’s comfortable. It’s when he’s not comfortable that he implodes and plays like the worst of Manziel and Leaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 7 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said: You guys are overthinking this Wilson is a young player that needs time to develop Pretty simple We’re worried that he won’t develop in time, friend you see, we don’t know how long our window of ‘just a qb away type of good’ is, so we want the QB we drafted with the 2nd most valuable pick to actually produce. He’s putting up numbers that only rookies normally get away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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