Saleh - "We'll definitely hire a senior offensive assistant"

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

I wonder if Gary Kubiak joined if he’s bring one or multiple sons with him to be QB coaches, offensive assistants etc.

It would be insurance in case MLF still isn’t getting it done next year and as play-calling duties taken and eventually relieved of his job…all hypotheticals but you need to buy umbrellas before it starts raining not after.

Unless of course you're @AVM

[Cbucco19]

27 minutes ago, football guy said:

The best way I can describe LaFleur’s role: he wants to run the offense as if he were playing Madden. He wants to build the playbook, the scheme, the game plan, and call the plays, but he wants the positional coaches to do the dirty work. He wants the positional coaches to translate his intentions to the players and have them be the primary communicators/teachers of their own positional groups. Extremely unrealistic and naive to think that would work

Adding a guy like Kubiak would basically be anointing him as the co-OC titles be damned. He would have a greater role in terms of helping manage the offensive staff day-to-day, being more involved in the nitty gritty work with the QBs, while supporting MLF.

 

Saleh will unfortunately get himself fired by keeping his Best friend . The players don’t love lafleur , his relationship is bad with Zach according to Steve young and the team is predictable and doesn’t score tds ??‍♂️

[ChewyandtheJets]

I have 3 questions:

Is this the Gary Kubiak who won the SB as HC with Denver and then had to retire due to healthy or stress?

 If so in what world does he return to the league as an offensive assistant in Robert Salehs’s staff?

 Am I missing something?
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NYJCAP2]

Todd Haley was on NFL radio part time this year. Might want to give him a call…

[Ron Rico]

This team is a clown car. 

[SpankyJohnson]

4 hours ago, Claymation said:

Have you seen the designs of the run plays? They take for ever to develop and there is always a free defender running unabated to the ball carrier. It's like they design plays on their electric football game or something.

I've always thought this as well.  It's like he's outsmarting himself.  
Just line up and smash it down their throat.  

[Scott Dierking]

17 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

however, in most business, when you run your business poorly, you lose money, he can run it poorly, and still make a lot of $$

In the NFL, a high tide raises all ships. It is unfortunate for us.

[Ron Rico]

Awesome solution! Hire another coach Lafleur can ignore.

[Untouchable]

2 minutes ago, Coquito said:

Awesome solution! Hire another coach Lafleur can ignore.

The only person on the planet more well versed in this offense than Kubiak is Mike Shanahan himself.

Dude has won a Super Bowl as a HC, backed up John Elway for a decade and has been rooted in this offense since its inception.

If little Mikey gave him any lip, he’d smack the gum out of his mouth and tell him to go fetch his morning coffee. Two creams, three sugars.

[#27TheDominator]

2 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

The only person on the planet more well versed in this offense than Kubiak is Mike Shanahan himself.

Dude has won a Super Bowl as a HC, backed up John Elway for a decade and has been rooted in this offense since its inception.

If little Mikey gave him any lip, he’d smack the gum out of his mouth and tell him to go fetch his morning coffee. Two creams, three sugars.

I get that Kubiak is respected and knows the offense, but what makes you think he could play tough guy with LaFleur?  Being young is generally an advantage in a fight and Kubiak is the one that collapsed on the field.  I think he'd be a great addition and I hope they'd make the move sooner rather than later.

[Untouchable]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

I get that Kubiak is respected and knows the offense, but what makes you think he could play tough guy with LaFleur?  Being young is generally an advantage in a fight and Kubiak is the one that collapsed on the field.  I think he'd be a great addition and I hope they'd make the move sooner rather than later.

Kubiak could be hooked up to a CPAP machine and still fold up LaFleur and stick him in his pocket.

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

I get that Kubiak is respected and knows the offense, but what makes you think he could play tough guy with LaFleur?  Being young is generally an advantage in a fight and Kubiak is the one that collapsed on the field.  I think he'd be a great addition and I hope they'd make the move sooner rather than later.

That kind of hiring would be to appease the fans and media, but since saleh is still the head coach it still be like MLF having his older brother as the HC, who is forced to hire someone to allegedly keep MLF in check.  But Kubiak would know saleh and MLF are aligned such that why would anyone come here thinking they could actually make an impact?  These guys are going to do what they’re going to do.  We’ve heard what the coaches think, they blamed everything on wilson.  

[#27TheDominator]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

That kind of hiring would be to appease the fans and media, but since saleh is still the head coach it still be like MLF having his older brother as the HC, who is forced to hire someone to allegedly keep MLF in check.  But Kubiak would know saleh and MLF are aligned such that why would anyone come here thinking they could actually make an impact?  These guys are going to do what they’re going to do.  We’ve heard what the coaches think, they blamed everything on wilson.  

Not necessarily.  Some of these guys just like to keep their hand in and they can provide a steadying influence.  Like when the Jets brought in Tom Moore.  He wasn't going to be the OC, but he provided value.  

[FootballLove]

I didn't pay my taxes because I wanted to quiet the IRS room.

 

 

(didn't work for me either)

[Flea Flicking Frank]

24 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

In the NFL, a high tide raises all ships. It is unfortunate for us.

yep

[FootballLove]

LeFleur coaches and calls plays from the booth. Says he can see the field better, which, of course is true.

But separating yourself from the men in the trenches also separates yourself from the human emotions of the game. The sweat, the blood, the high fives.

I get why he removed himself from the action to coach from ahigh, But I wonder if he's missing an important element of the game. Sitting next to Zack and talking things out between series. Talking to the lineman and running backs when plays go off the rails. Stuff like that. Seeing his men up close, hearing all the small comments made on the sidelines.

[Cbucco19]

14 hours ago, football guy said:

The best way I can describe LaFleur’s role: he wants to run the offense as if he were playing Madden. He wants to build the playbook, the scheme, the game plan, and call the plays, but he wants the positional coaches to do the dirty work. He wants the positional coaches to translate his intentions to the players and have them be the primary communicators/teachers of their own positional groups. Extremely unrealistic and naive to think that would work

Adding a guy like Kubiak would basically be anointing him as the co-OC titles be damned. He would have a greater role in terms of helping manage the offensive staff day-to-day, being more involved in the nitty gritty work with the QBs, while supporting MLF.

 

@football guy jets should allow lafleur to take his brother as oc .., so saleh doesn’t have to fire him

[football guy]

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

I get that Kubiak is respected and knows the offense, but what makes you think he could play tough guy with LaFleur?  Being young is generally an advantage in a fight and Kubiak is the one that collapsed on the field.  I think he'd be a great addition and I hope they'd make the move sooner rather than later.

I don't think LaFleur likes to be the tough guy. He's an introvert and is conflict avoidant. He would happily relinquish some responsibility and fall in line once a detailed plan were to be established, with the biggest piece he would like to relinquish is dealing with the QBs. Kind of ridiculous if you ask me but the reality is that he wants to be a passing game coordinator with an OC title, and you can accomplish that by hiring a Passing Game Specialist/Senior Level staff member on offense. That person would be tabbed to lead the players and coaches in the QB room while also having the high level collaboration with the OC to understand how to best get the QBs to play within the vision of the OCs offense... it would also give the team a chance to "develop" their young coaches they want to hold onto. I don't agree with it, but that's the direction I most expect. 

I see the report going around that MLF treated Zach with "tough love" - I think this is less of an intentional thing and more of a MLF personality thing. It's not like he was purposefully hard on him, rather, he treated Zach like he treats all the players: "do it the way we tell you to" mentality, while expecting his positional coaches to be the surrogates that answer the hard questions from the players. This is how Shanahan runs his ship, but naturally Kyle gets much different results which gives him the credibility to get away with it. He's also a more experienced/talented at dealing with QBs and a better overall coach than MLF is, but it's not like he hasn't had his own issues with players for the same reasons (see Jimmy Garoppolo). They all know Shanahan calls the shots, but he relies on the chain of command to relay the message to the player and push the buttons that need to be pushed to ensure that player executes what Shanahan calls. 

This hasn't sat particularly well with our QBs because by nature the position requires special treatment - specifically communication - and Rob Calabrese does not effuse the kind of confidence or clear messaging in that room to make everyone feel like they're clearly on the same page from player through coordinator. What frustrated Zach a lot was the changing messages without coming from MLF directly himself. When the Jets were winning the message was avoid negative plays: don't take sacks and don't turn over the ball. When he ran around and avoided sacks against MIA, GB, and DEN, he was rewarded for it. Then he did it against NE with mixed results, and there was a new message without much opportunity to speak through it with the OC himself. The same was similar with Elijah Moore which led to the infamous mid-season blowup, and Denzel Mims who couldn't get out of the dog-house... again, a lot of it is probably due to not having the kind of coach in those rooms who makes the players feel like "the buck stops with them", which Miles Austin and Rob Calabrese struggled to do. Robert Saleh has taken responsibility for this and that's another reason why I think MLF will get a pass- Saleh will take blame for not surrounding him with more veteran coaches. 

[JetPotato]

17 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

I wonder if Gary Kubiak joined if he’s bring one or multiple sons with him to be QB coaches, offensive assistants etc.

It would be insurance in case MLF still isn’t getting it done next year and as play-calling duties taken and eventually relieved of his job…all hypotheticals but you need to buy umbrellas before it starts raining not after.

If MLF isn't getting the job done next year (meaning the team is still losing), he's not the only one going.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Lafluer is still employed? Jesus.

[bitonti]

22 hours ago, Matt39 said:

For such a high stakes high paying league the Jets sure don’t treat it as such. 

they make the same money win or lose

the Jets don't get paid by the win they get paid for the attempt 

understand that and you'll understand every move the Jets make

[BornJetsFan1983]

Here is my submission for consideration for the position. I think he be best senior we could get

 

[NYJCAP2]

20 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Pay attention Jet fans… 

For 10+ years you have been sold the idea of needing a veteran, mentor QB on the roster to give you hope that the young QB won’t suck.

Now, as folks start to get restless once again, they are deploying a new tactic, wher we need a veteran, mentor OC.

My expectations for improvement couldn’t be lower right now. “Finish” t-shirts. All smiles upon letting the phins into the playoffs and capping off a historic collapse. Unrelenting excuse making for everyone.

I mean everyone here thinks this is rocket science…  it’s the same noise every year.

The one formula this organization hasn’t tried is drafting a QB relatively high, and let him sit behind a vet in continuous offensive system. The only person to do it was Parcels/Pennington. And injuries aside the formula works.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Throwing bagfuls of money at Kubiak as OC was the move to make 2 years ago.

I'd still take him in a nanosecond though.

Saleh really showed his naivete / folly as a first-time HC surrounding himself with a bunch of other newbie coordinators.

Could have reached out to Fangio too.  Lifer coaches like him don't stay "in hiatus" or "retired" for very long.  And they can always be lured back.

Look at Tom Moore and Dean Pees.  These guys have retired and unretired countless times.

 

[carlito1171]

At this point....wake me up in a year when we bring in Korn, Ferry, Casserly, Wolf and whoever else needs to pad their retirement funds with Woody's money to find a new HC and GM 

[Claymation]

5 hours ago, Untouchable said:

The only person on the planet more well versed in this offense than Kubiak is Mike Shanahan himself.

Dude has won a Super Bowl as a HC, backed up John Elway for a decade and has been rooted in this offense since its inception.

If little Mikey gave him any lip, he’d smack the gum out of his mouth and tell him to go fetch his morning coffee. Two creams, three sugars.

I didn't know Gary liked it light and sweet.

[carlito1171]

4 hours ago, FootballLove said:

I get why he removed himself from the action to coach from ahigh, But I wonder if he's missing an important element of the game. Sitting next to Zack and talking things out between series. Talking to the lineman and running backs when plays go off the rails. Stuff like that. Seeing his men up close, hearing all the small comments made on the sidelines.

he's far from the only coach that calls the offense from the booth....Ken Dorsey does for the Bills....amongst others....

The issue is the inexperience of the QB coach on the field with Zach. How often do you see Calabrese with Zach talking about the last series during a game? It's usually Zach with the tablet sitting next to Flacco or White......if a coach decides to sit in the booth there needs to be an extension of him on the sidelines....with the Jets there's a clear disconnect in that area. 

[Untouchable]

12 minutes ago, Claymation said:

I didn't know Gary liked it light and sweet.

He doesn’t 

He pours it out at Mikey’s feet and demands a black cup immediately afterwards.

[Untouchable]

23 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

At this point....wake me up in a year when we bring in Korn, Ferry, Casserly, Wolf and whoever else needs to pad their retirement funds with Woody's money to find a new HC and GM 

We can all look forward to Jim Caldwell and Dave Gettleman in 2023.

[#27TheDominator]

58 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Here is my submission for consideration for the position. I think he be best senior we could get

 

He better pick a different ******* number.

[#27TheDominator]

35 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Throwing bagfuls of money at Kubiak as OC was the move to make 2 years ago.

I'd still take him in a nanosecond though.

Saleh really showed his naivete / folly as a first-time HC surrounding himself with a bunch of other newbie coordinators.

Could have reached out to Fangio too.  Lifer coaches like him don't stay "in hiatus" or "retired" for very long.  And they can always be lured back.

Look at Tom Moore and Dean Pees.  These guys have retired and unretired countless times.

 

I like Fangio, but it is pretty obvious that they did not need to bring him in.

[T0mShane]

FWIW, Hughes and Rosenblatt just did a podcast where they suggested the Saleh/Douglas plan is to run it back with LaFleur, but fire Calabrese, bring in Kubiak and Garoppolo/Carr, and keep Zach as a dead-end backup because 1. He has no trade value and 2. They can reasonably convince Woody that there’s still hope of fixing him. Both guys were adamant, however, that everyone at the Jets knows Zach is a sunk cost, and now it’s about papering over the mistake.

The x-factor, as they tell it, is that Woody is very reactionary, and is also very engaged with the base on Twitter, so nobody knows if he’d overrule everyone just to get some cheap love on social media. Hughes suggests that we’ll know by Friday if LaFleur is staying or going. 

[Untouchable]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

FWIW, Hughes and Rosenblatt just did a podcast where they suggested the Saleh/Douglas plan is to run it back with LaFleur, but fire Calabrese, bring in Kubiak and Garoppolo/Carr, and keep Zach as a dead-end backup because 1. He has no trade value and 2. They can reasonably convince Woody that there’s still hope of fixing him. Both guys were adamant, however, that everyone at the Jets knows Zach is a sunk cost, and now it’s about papering over the mistake.

I don’t have a problem with this, honestly.

Sure, I would’ve loved Woody throwing the bank at Payton/Harbaugh, but bringing in Kubiak as the wise old sage to oversee the offense and signing Carr/Garoppolo certainly isn’t the end of the world.

Bolster the OL and the only way this team doesn’t win 10+ games is if we get completely bent over a barrel with injuries.

[Augustiniak]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

FWIW, Hughes and Rosenblatt just did a podcast where they suggested the Saleh/Douglas plan is to run it back with LaFleur, but fire Calabrese, bring in Kubiak and Garoppolo/Carr, and keep Zach as a dead-end backup because 1. He has no trade value and 2. They can reasonably convince Woody that there’s still hope of fixing him. Both guys were adamant, however, that everyone at the Jets knows Zach is a sunk cost, and now it’s about papering over the mistake.

The x-factor, as they tell it, is that Woody is very reactionary, and is also very engaged with the base on Twitter, so nobody knows if he’d overrule everyone just to get some cheap love on social media. Hughes suggests that we’ll know by Friday if LaFleur is staying or going. 

So would they keep white too, as the #2 and keep wilson inactive?

[JustInFudge]

19 hours ago, ChewyandtheJets said:

I have 3 questions:

Is this the Gary Kubiak who won the SB as HC with Denver and then had to retire due to healthy or stress?

 If so in what world does he return to the league as an offensive assistant in Robert Salehs’s staff?

 Am I missing something?
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that's him.  He took a 2 year hiatus and joined Zimmer's staff in Minn. before they were all booted.  I dont know why he'd want to be part of the dysfunction but people know his name so they say it a lot and will continue saying it a lot because it's familiar.