Larz Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, section314 said: This is upbeat because it may not disqualify some of the younger guys like a Johnson or Petulo who haven’t called plays yet. Sounds like MLF was shown the door because he’s a socially inept Dick, not because he was young or not qualified. Wilson said he let mistakes go in practice, had no plan for practice, and late in the year defenses knew what they were doing, a poster here did an analysis on his opening drives , they were predictable trash, and the 1st quarter scoring was 31st. He got too cute in the red zone, abandoned the FB position after Bawden got hurt after using it all summer. He’s a crap teacher, crap coach, crap coordinator. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Larz said: Wilson said he let mistakes go in practice, had no plan for practice, and late in the year defenses knew what they were doing, a poster here did an analysis on his opening drives , they were predictable trash, and the 1st quarter scoring was 31st. He got too cute in the red zone, abandoned the FB position after Bawden got hurt after using it all summer. He’s a crap teacher, crap coach, crap coordinator. He is the worst OC we have ever had. And Saleh enabled him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 ohhhh fuddddggggeeee! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 8 hours ago, Jdub03 said: It would never happen, but a Greg Roman, Justin Fields combo would be interesting. With Chicago having the #1 pick, it's possible they take the more traditional Bryce Young. Although, they'll get a boat load in a trade down scenario. If there is some team that will pay a lot for Fields I'd do that in heart beat if I was the Bears. Oh they would get eviscerated by fans an media but it would be the smart thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Good for MLF if that is true. I said very early on I thought he was going to the Rams, we shall see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: Is Brian Johnson a strong possibility? Gut feeling if he wants the job I think it will be his. There's a lot of support for him around the league, but also some connections among the Jets decision makers. He's known for being innovative, adaptable, and has strong communication skills. He's pretty much the opposite of MLF in the sense that he connects with players well and takes guys under his wing. As far as connections with the organization: Joe Douglas is still close with a lot of people in the Philadelphia Eagles and University of Florida football programs. There's also Rex Hogan who worked with a lot of the guys on the PHI staff and also was in the same building as Brian Johnson at the college level as well. But the underrated aspect to all of this is Robert Saleh's connection. Matt LaFleur and the Packers interviewed Brian Johnson for their OC position last year and came away extremely impressed. Saleh consults with former coaches and players (Mike Shanahan, Steve Young, Alex Smith, etc.) as well and their recommendation is part of the reason why they hired Greg Knapp in the first place... both Steve Young and Alex Smith are big Brian Johnson guys. Johnson was Alex Smith's former backup and roommate. Not that anyone cares about him on here, but there are also connections to Zach Wilson as well... Zach was a huge Utah Ute fan growing up and first connected with Brian Johnson at their yearly summer camps. To my knowledge they stayed in contact throughout his adolescence. As we all know, Steve Young and Alex Smith are two of Zach's higher profile mentors. Being that the Jets are sincere about wanting to develop Wilson, bringing in a guy who he's familiar with that has the reputation, temperament, diligence, and track record for developing QBs is a compelling reason in addition to everything else Johnson brings to the table 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dcat Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 31 minutes ago, section314 said: This is upbeat because it may not disqualify some of the younger guys like a Johnson or Petulo who haven’t called plays yet. Sounds like MLF was shown the door because he’s a socially inept Dick, not because he was young or not qualified. I think his personality issues were a factor but just like @football guy's recent post, it is a multitude of things. My crude approach to LaFleur is still that he was put in the wrong role, in the wrong place ant the wrong time. He's young enough to make a big comeback if he makes an effort to fix some of his leadership issues, namely relationships and communication with his guys, 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, johnnysd said: He is the worst OC we have ever had. And Saleh enabled him. until the next one and the one before him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, football guy said: The firing of MLF is not black and white. It wasn't solely due to Zach's development, it wasn't solely due to offensive production, it wasn't solely due to a present disconnect with the players. Many times coaches are fired as a scapegoat, but I don't think this is one of those times. Good coaches get fired- it happens. Kyle Shanahan has been fired as an OC. The problem with LaFleur really came down to his inability to clearly communicate. Is he articulate? Yes. Intellegent? Yes. Ethical? Yes. Transparent? No. Confrontational? No. It's one thing to be confrontational in an abrasive way, another to be confrontational in a positive way. One is a means to push people in a way to incite a conflict, the other is a means to challenge people in a way to solve collective problems. If you can't be clear and concise with people who work with and for you (from players, to staff, to head coach, to front office), it's going to be very hard to identity and resolve problems collectively. Mike LaFleur lacked these aspects of his personality/approach. He said the right things in the media and behind closed doors that made him sound like a leader (i.e. "its on me"), but actions speak louder than words. It was something that was clear last offseason, with MLF and Saleh agreeing that he needed to be a better leader and a better communicator. Unfortunately he didn't take those strides. Whoever they add as the OC is going to be someone they feel can be the opposite of what MLF was from a personality standpoint. Communication and leadership traits will be key. which is all the more shocking that they hired him in the firstplace when Saleh and JD are so big on communication and leadership themselves. Its not like Saleh didn't know who MLF was beforehand... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 hours ago, johnnysd said: Disagree but you are one of the biggest Zach haters so you will never see anything different. I don’t hate Zach I just acknowledge reality 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, C Mart said: until the next one and the one before him. 1 year from now it will be Hackett’s fault Zach can’t complete a scripted 2 yard check down pass on 2nd and 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Dcat said: I think his personality issues were a factor but just like @football guy's recent post, it is a multitude of things. My crude approach to LaFleur is still that he was put in the wrong role, in the wrong place ant the wrong time. He's young enough to make a big comeback if he makes an effort to fix some of his leadership issues, namely relationships and communication with his guys, Yes and don't get me wrong, I think people read comments about him and see the "tough love" statement that Steve Young made and confuse that with MLF being an a$$hole. Couldn't be further from the opposite. If anything, he wasn't an a$$hole enough. He was not able to play the "good cop, bad cop" game at all. He didn't challenge the players man-to-man. He wouldn't criticize them when they needed to be. The guy doesn't even curse. On the flip side, he didn't get close with players and was somewhat reserved. That's not good either. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, football guy said: Yes and don't get me wrong, I think people read comments about him and see the "tough love" statement that Steve Young made and confuse that with MLF being an a$$hole. Couldn't be further from the opposite. If anything, he wasn't an a$$hole enough. He was not able to play the "good cop, bad cop" game at all. He didn't challenge the players man-to-man. He wouldn't criticize them when they needed to be. The guy doesn't even curse. On the flip side, he didn't get close with players and was somewhat reserved. That's not good either. He was very critical of Becton that 1st summer and made some surprising comments during pressers. I have not heard he be critical of any other player like that since...maybe Mims a little bit but not much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 10 of the 32 NFL teams need an OC. I wonder if the Jets will get the cream of the crop ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 21 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: He was very critical of Becton that 1st summer and made some surprising comments during pressers. I have not heard he be critical of any other player like that since...maybe Mims a little bit but not much. He doesn't like the fatties 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said: He doesn't like the fatties lol maybe or maybe because he needs a step latter to talk to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetblue95 Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Tranquilo said: Is Brian Johnson a strong possibility? well he definitely will be able to hit the high notes and get people's attention 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 Lol after Bill Callahan said no, it's like they said "fuk- anyone else over there want to do this?" 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Lol after Bill Callahan said no, it's like they said "fuk- anyone else over there want to do this?" I have no idea if Chad O'Shea could be a decent OC for us But I would really hate to see us go from one WR Coach/passing game coordinator right to another. On the other hand, at least O'Shea did spend a year as an OC in Miami under Brian Flores. Hoping we can do better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 An interesting thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lith said: I have no idea if Chad O'Shea could be a decent OC for us But I would really hate to see us go from one WR Coach/passing game coordinator right to another. On the other hand, at least O'Shea did spend a year as an OC in Miami under Brian Flores. Hoping we can do better. Agreed. But I'd like to see them figure out a way to pair Roman w/a good passing game coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 46 minutes ago, jetblue95 said: well he definitely will be able to hit the high notes and get people's attention Frankie Vallie my choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Let us hold hands and pray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetblue95 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Let us hold hands and pray that would be a ballsy move for saleh to hire reich, who easily could be seen as coach in waiting if the team gets off to a slow start and woody/JD decide to make a mid-season move 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Let us hold hands and pray Reich and Carr is probably the best case scenario, assuming LJ isn’t getting dealt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 52 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Lol after Bill Callahan said no, it's like they said "fuk- anyone else over there want to do this?" Which one is Chad O’Shea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 Jets already had a preliminary conversation with Reich. If he doesn’t land a HC job sounds like he’ll be open to an official interview 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, football guy said: Jets already had a preliminary conversation with Reich. If he doesn’t land a HC job sounds like he’ll be open to an official interview Robert Saleh walking into that interview if it ever happens... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said: Let us hold hands and pray I’d be so happy to be so wrong lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, football guy said: Jets already had a preliminary conversation with Reich. If he doesn’t land a HC job sounds like he’ll be open to an official interview You want Balsy?If Reich would keep Ulbrich, offer him the HC job today. Woody’s Hess moment.And it probably gets you Johnson and Petulo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 54 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Reich and Carr is probably the best case scenario, assuming LJ isn’t getting dealt Don’t play with my heart like that lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Lith said: I have no idea if Chad O'Shea could be a decent OC for us But I would really hate to see us go from one WR Coach/passing game coordinator right to another. On the other hand, at least O'Shea did spend a year as an OC in Miami under Brian Flores. Hoping we can do better. He also spent a few yrs with the Vikes when Brad Childress was the HC..Perhaps Childress could be the Senior offensive assistant (he spent 2019 w/the Bears in that role)...Childress is from the Andy Reid tree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post C Mart Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, section314 said: You want Balsy?If Reich would keep Ulbrich, offer him the HC job today. Woody’s Hess moment.And it probably gets you Johnson and Petulo. To think a year ago at this time nobody here wrote, "keep Ulbrich" 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, C Mart said: To think a year ago at this time nobody here wrote, "keep Ulbrich" I honestly think how he transformed the defense this year saved Saleh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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