What are the reasons to not draft Watson?

[Greensleeves]

1 hour ago, SenorGato said:

Might as well be speaking another language. So at the core, none of this shows up in 1200+ passes over 3+ seasons sooooolely because it's college? That's how it works - all that is out the door because something about how the ball is supposed to look? How does this stuff not sound insane or at least way too vague to buy? 

He had above average talent to throw to and still managed to throw over 30 int's the last two years. You need to be accurate to be a great QB. He is a great leader, but he has below average arm strength and is not accurate. The 1200+ passes show us that he can throw a lot of picks and miss receivers. He is a winner, which is a big part of it, but to use a #6 on a QB without arm strength that throws a ton of picks is questionable at best. Another poster already showed that when Trubisky played several of the same teams he played much better against them without the weapons. Fewer int's too.

[JetFaninMI]

2 hours ago, flgreen said:

Taking QB's early in back to back drafts can be, and has been done.  Boy it takes a set of chops to do it, particularly when you have a 2nd round pick, and your current starter from last year is a 4th rounder you traded up for.

If you hit, no one cares, if you miss again, and again, and again, you become the laughing stock of the league.  Tough to do

Not to be a prick but we pretty much are already there. Watson is a tough kid. He has the tools to be a starter in this league. I hear all this talk about playing in NY and how hard it is. The guy played through injuries(including a knee injury) and still did well. He has the mental toughness to play in NY and can get you a first down with his legs. Most importantly he has BALLS and is not a guy who will fold up like a cheap suit when the pressure is on. The kid has faced adversity and is not an immature Geno type who will wilt under pressure. He is well suited for the west coast offense as well according to scouting reports and in a cold weather city like NY where running the ball is paramount he is an ideal guy. He has flaws but they are coach able according to scouts and they say he has all you want in a starter in this league.There are no guarantees of course  but for this team, at this time, he should be on the board and highly considered to be the pick.

[Obrien2Toon]

What successful NFL qb does he compare to?

These guys who come from these type of offenses and use their legs for a lot of their success never pan out in the nfl

[jetfan39]

4 hours ago, SenorGato said:

I need it laid out for me because I can not think of one.

he won't be around when we pick in the 4th round.  we need too many other positions before we pick another project.

[Greenseed4]

How big are his hands?

[Gas2No99]

9 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

How big are his hands?

9.75"

[Mogglez]

Pros:

- Has the work ethic and leadership you look for in the face of a franchise.

- A gamer.  Has shown that he plays his best football on the biggest stages.

- Despite the low velocity, he has a quick release to compensate.

- Mobile.  Can extend plays with his legs and is always a threat to take off and pick up chunks of yardage.

Cons:

- Played in a stat padding system with crazy talent that allowed a guy like Tajh Boyd to put up gaudy numbers.

- Struggles a bit beyond his first read.  He seems like he's a smart guy, but sometimes this is just too much to overcome for players.  The frustrating part is the inconsistencies.  One play he'll dissect a blitz beautifully and thread it for a TD, the next series he can get easily be fooled by a disguised coverage and throw a brutal pick.

- Despite the quick release, the number 49 can't be ignored.  He can only compensate for so much.  I was pretty surprised by that number myself.

- Horrible footwork and lazy lower half mechanics that probably play a big part into his crazy low velocity.  That can most likely be fixed.  However, how much can be fixed is the big question.

- Turnovers.  He did it a lot in college and that was with top talent around him.  The competition around him is going to get a lot better, the defenses will be more complicated, and there will likely be a drop off in talent around him.

- Needs to rework his throwing motion.  Again, not impossible.  Can probably be fixed under the right guidance.

 

Overall, I liked Watson when I first saw him play...but he never materialized into the guy I thought he would become as an NFL prospect.  To me, he's a mid to late 2nd round talent.  He's gonna go in the 1st round though.  For his sake I hope it's to the right team that will allow him to sit, work on his flaws, and jump in when he's cooked long enough and ready to take the reigns.  

At 6, I really hope we don't reach on him.  Passing on a pass rusher like Solomon Thomas, or some of top offensive talent like Mike Williams or OJ Howard, for Watson, would be a huge mistake.  The value just isn't there, IMHO....

Now, if you asked me to pick a QB with a gun to my head?  He's my guy.  All the others piss me off.  If we do take him...I will not love it, I won't lie.  I'd much rather go with what he have, hope to God Hack works out, pick the BPA, and start all over agaon next year with a much better crop of guys to choose from if Hack falters.  That all being said...if Macc and Co. love the guy and pick him, I could live with it because QB is so f*cking important.  He better be damn sure that this is the horse he wants to tie his wagon to though.  Right now I'm not so sure.

[King P]

1 hour ago, Obrien2Toon said:

What successful NFL qb does he compare to?

These guys who come from these type of offenses and use their legs for a lot of their success never pan out in the nfl

Drew Brees

Here's his scouting report. You can't tell me this doesn't sound exactly like Watson

Quote

Analysis
Positives... Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages...Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle...Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket...Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move... Throws across his body with great consistency...Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion...Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes...Shows good judgement and keen field vision...Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure...Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity...Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains...Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center...Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush.

Negatives...Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun...Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws...Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.

 

 

 

[Gangrene]

5 hours ago, SenorGato said:

I need it laid out for me because I can not think of one.

Matt Stopsky lays it out very well if you have time to read this ...

 

Mitchell Trubisky (Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

With the 2017 Draft only a little more than a week away, it’s time to start speculating about who the New York Jets are going to take at No. 6.  Most credible mock drafts have it down to two positions, quarterback or safety. I’ll cover both, but for this article we are looking at the quarterbacks who are being rumored for the Jets at No. 6.

There are five quarterbacks who have been rumored to be First Round picks for the last ten months. Those players are Mitchell Trubisky from UNC, DeShaun Watson from Clemson, Pat Mahomes II from Texas Tech, DeShone Kizer from Notre Dame and Brad Kaaya from Miami. The two quarterbacks that have been linked to the Jets are Trubisky and Watson. We’ll break them down using five separate categories. First, is how to look at their basic traits and measurables; that means height, weight, athletic ability, etc. Secondly, is their arm talent and passing skills. Third, is their ability in the pocket. Fourth, is the mental side of the game. Lastly, any intangibles, overall grade and scheme fit. From looking at these five categories we will be able to decide which quarterback the Jets should take at No. 6.

Basics

Watson and Trubisky are almost identical in size. They both come in at 6’2 and weigh between 220 and 225. As for athletic ability, most people assume that DeShaun Watson is a better athlete. However, that isn’t exactly true. Although Watson does look faster and quicker on film, Trubisky tested just as well at the combine. In Indianapolis, Trubisky posted a faster 3-Cone time and only came in 0.01 second slower than Watson’s 40 yard dash time. Watson, though, made better use of his athletic ability, posting very good rushing numbers for a Quarterback. In total, Watson had 629 yards on the ground with nine rushing touchdowns compared to Trubisky’s 308 yards and five touchdowns. 

2016 Rushing Stats
Player	Team	Pos.	Attempts	Yards	Yd/Cry	TD
Watson, DeShaun	Clemson	QB	165	629	3.8	9
Kizer, DeShone	Notre Dame	QB	129	472	3.7	8
Trubisky, Mitchell	UNC	QB	93	308	3.3	5
Mahomes, Patrick	Texas Tech	QB	131	285	2.2	12

When looking at how they performed against top talent the difference really starts to show. I consider top talent meaning a Power 5 team, a ranked team, or how they competed in a bowl game. When looking at those numbers, Watson posted 43.5 yards per game compared to Trubisky’s 18.9 and Watson had a whole yard per carry advantage over Trubisky.

2016 Rushing Stats Per Game v. 5RB
Player	Team	Pos.	Attempts	Yards	Yd/Cry	TD
Watson, DeShaun	Clemson	QB	11.8	43.5	3.7	0.7
Kizer, DeShone	Notre Dame	QB	11.4	34.7	3.0	0.8
Mahomes, Patrick	Texas Tech	QB	10.9	19.1	1.8	0.9
Trubisky, Mitchell	UNC	QB	7.1	18.9	2.7	0.5

As for injury history, Watson had a few injuries that held him out of a few games in 2014, but he hasn’t had anything recently. Trubisky doesn’t have anything of mention at all. Lastly, we need to look at their experience, their 2016 ESPN QBR, and their accolades. Watson had a better QBR, but not by much. He came in at 1.5 points higher than Trubisky. As for experience, we’ll have to calculate two things. Wins and number of years in college. For wins, Watson is obviously going to have the edge. Watson has been a starter since 2014, while Trubisky only grabbed the starting position this year. The win numbers were all calculated by hand, so I apologize if there is a small degree of error. 

Player	Team	Wins	Win %	16 Wins	16 Win %	16 5RB Wins	16 5RB Win %	Nat’ Titles	Major Bowl Wins	Minor Bowl Wins	Conference Titles	16 QBR
Watson, DeShaun	Clemson	32	82.1%	14	93.3%	12	92.3%	1	2	0	2	84.9
Kaaya, Brad	Miami	23	59.0%	9	69.2%	6	66.7%	0	0	1	0	71.4
Mahomes, Patrick	Texas Tech	13	44.8%	5	41.7%	3	20.0%	0	0	0	0	84.3
Kizer, DeShone	Notre Dame	12	52.2%	4	33.3%	2	22.2%	0	0	0	0	70.3
Trubisky, Mitchell	UNC	8	61.5%	8	61.5%	6	54.5%	0	0	0	0	83.4

Now, college wins may not sound important, but they are. After looking over the last three years of Pro-Bowl, All-Pro and MVP quarterbacks, only one of them had less than 14 wins, and that was Drew Brees. When looking at these numbers, please note that anyone drafted before 2005 it was a little difficult to get the numbers on. However, I’m willing to wager I’m not off by much at all. Only one quarterback of the 22 different quarterbacks who have been selected to the Pro-Bowl or All-Pro rosters over the last three years have had less than 14 college wins. That seems significant to me. That makes Trubisky’s eight total college wins a serious issue. 

As for years in college, again you may not think it’s important. Yet, history tells us otherwise. Of the six All-Pro quarterbacks we’ve had in the last three years, only Aaron Rodgers came out of college before entering a fourth year. When expanding the pool to include Pro-Bowlers we add four more. Those four are Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Teddy Bridgewater and Alex Smith. The one thing that I’d argue that each of the Quarterbacks I mentioned previously have in common, is that they all had undeniable first round talent coming into the draft. Watson and Trubisky do not have that. Luckily for Trubisky, he was in college for four years. Watson, though, is leaving as a true junior. Will this have any impact? I don’t know, but I do see what history has shown us. 

Finally we get to their accolades. DeShaun Watson had an unbelievable college career. He’s a two time Heisman Finalist, a two time Davey O’Brien Award winner and two time Manning Award winner, which goes to the nation’s “top” Quarterback, a Walter Camp Award winner and two time Finalist, which is given to the nation’s “best” player, a First Team All-American, a Second Team All-American, an ACC Player of the Year, an ACC Offensive Player of the Year, a First Team All-ACC player, a Second Team All-ACC player, a two time ACC Champion, an Orange Bowl Champion, a Fiesta Bowl Champion and a National Champion. Mitchell Trubisky was Third Team All-ACC this year. 

Passing Skills

Both quarterbacks have an excellent release and can use a little bit of work to their footwork.  Trubisky’s arm is pretty good for a NFL QB, while Watson’s isn’t. On film, Watson could throw the deep pass but his throws would float at times. Then he came into the combine and threw at 49 MPH. For comparison, that is the slowest of any major quarterback in this draft. Clocking how fast a quarterback throws at the combine is a pretty recent thing. Still, of the ones that have been timed that have become Pro-Bowlers and All-Pros, all of them came in at least at 54 MPH, expect Tyrod Taylor who came in at 50 MPH. Mitchell Trubisky came in at 55 MPH. This may not seem like a huge deal, but football is a game of inches. Taking off five MPH from your throw allows a Cornerback or Safety a lot of time to make up those inches on your target. It becomes an even bigger issue when you watch Watson on film. Statically, Watson was pretty accurate coming in second only behind Trubisky in completion percentage. However, Watson’s ball placement is an issue. In college, the window a quarterback has to throw to a receiver is much bigger than in the NFL. In the NFL, the players are faster, bigger and better. What might be a completion in college could be an interception at the next level. The only real way to tell how accurate a quarterback is going to be from college to the pros, is looking at his ball placement. Unfortunately, his is inconsistent. At times, he looks very good. He’ll put the ball exactly where it needs to be. Other times, and more often than you would like to see, he doesn’t put it in the proper spot. It might still be in an area where the receiver can catch it, but in the NFL, there might be a corner on that receivers hip or a safety coming over the top.

2016 Passing Stats
Player	Team	Comp.	Attempts	Comp. %	Yards	TD	INT
Mahomes, Patrick	Texas Tech	388	591	65.7%	5,052	41	10
Watson, DeShaun	Clemson	388	579	67.0%	4,593	41	17
Trubisky, Mitchell	UNC	304	446	68.2%	3,748	30	6
Kaaya, Brad	Miami	261	421	62.0%	3,532	27	7
Kizer, DeShone	Notre Dame	212	361	58.7%	2,925	26	9

Trubisky had a similar issue, but not as bad as Watson. Between 0-10 yards, Trubisky is pretty damn good. However, once you get past that mark he has the same ball placement issue that Watson has, and maybe even worse when looking at their deep ball accuracy. Watson is a better deep ball passer and that is backed up by ProFootballFocus. Watson is ranked eighth in deep pass adjusted completion percentage while Trubisky is ranked 18th. This makes sense considering Trubisky’s style of play compared to Watson. Watson loves the big play and he’s pretty good at it. Trubisky checks down a lot more and even when he does go deep, he’s not the best. But where Trubisky absolutely beats Watson, is in ball security. Trubisky had six INTs last year, two of them coming in the Hurricane Matthews game against Virginia Tech. He did make some very bad decisions at times, especially under pressure, but only six is pretty good. Watson had 17 INTs last year and he also put the ball on ground a few times throughout his career. People are calling Watson a gun slinger, but he’s not. He’s just a turnover machine. His combination of inconsistent ball placement and forcing throws leads to that extremely high number of interceptions. 

According to the films I watched this year, both of them were pretty even on how they did on key downs. DeShaun Watson converted 47.3% of the plays I saw from 2016 and Mitchell Trubisky converted 46.6% of the plays I saw from same year. Lastly, we need to compare their statistics. Watson put up much better numbers but also threw the ball over 100 more times throughout the season. However, when comparing against top teams, Watson only had three more attempts per game but had over 30 more yards per game with a higher completion percentage. 

2016 Passing Stats Per Game v. 5RB
Player	Team	Comp.	Attempts	Comp. %	Yards	TD	INT
Mahomes, Patrick	Texas Tech	33.2	51.2	64.8%	409.9	3.2	1.0
Watson, DeShaun	Clemson	26.8	39.3	68.3%	319.2	2.7	1.2
Trubisky, Mitchell	UNC	24.5	36.3	67.4%	284.7	2.2	0.5
Kaaya, Brad	Miami	20.6	33.7	61.1%	283.3	2.1	0.3
Kizer, DeShone	Notre Dame	17.9	32.0	55.9%	259.7	2.0	0.8

In the Pocket

Both Trubisky and Watson were excellent at avoiding pressure in the pocket. As I mentioned before, both are great athletes, so it’s not surprising that these two can buy time. Watson, though, takes off too early too often. Trubisky, on the other hand, would rather buy time and complete the ball down the field. Where they do separate from one another is their pocket presence and poise. Trubisky’s presence is pretty good for a first-time starter. Unique defenses and pressure gave him a bit of a problem, but statistically he did fine. Under pressure he made some bad decisions, but he still ranked fifth in adjusted completion percentage under pressure according to ProFootballFocus. Watson wasn’t as good. His feel for pressure and pose wasn’t the best, especially against Alabama, and he was only 11th in adjusted completion percentage under pressure according to ProFootballFocus. 

Mental Side of the Position

Mitchell Trubisky went through his progressions a lot more than DeShaun Watson did. I think this showed the most in the National Title game. Everyone remembers the two big touchdowns at the end of the game. Some people called them pick plays, some called them illegal. Either way, Watson didn’t have to read a thing for those plays to work. He just had to get the ball there. To his credit, he did. But, throughout the game he showed that he does not go through his progressions all that well post-snap. Trubisky does go through all of his progressions, but like a first-time starter, will get caught up on his first read too often and force the pass. Both were still Top 10 in Adjusted Completion % vs. the Blitz according to ProFootballFocus, with Trubisky being Top 3. 

Trubisky’s decision making looks like a player who only started for one year. He floated passes over the middle when under pressure and he forced some passes. However, Watson, with his 17 INTs, really forced some passes. Trubisky also showed that he can make a play or two on his own. Watson, although he has the talent to and can, didn’t always make the play better. Bottom line though, Trubisky went from a backup to a possible Top 10 selection in a year, while Watson went from a player I had a First Round grade on to a player I now have a late Third Round grade on.   

Summary

The things you’ll get from both of these players is competitive toughness, an unbelievable motor, and inconsistency in play. We know the inconsistency for Trubisky comes from a lack of experience. But why is Watson inconsistent? We don’t know and that is a major issue. 

Looking at the Jets now, we have Bryce Petty, last year’s Second Round pick Christian Hackenberg and, recently acquired, Josh McCown. We’re not exactly sure what the offense is going to look like under new Offensive Coordinator John Morton, so it’s hard to really put a scheme fit on this. So we’ll just go with the best possible player. So which quarterback should the Jets should take with the 6th pick is……neither one. 

Now, don’t get me wrong, this is not me saying I have confidence in the quarterbacks we have, because I don’t. However, neither one of these guys should be playing for the New York Jets next year. Mitchell Trubisky has shown that he has the tools to be a franchise quarterback, he just needs time. Why would we pick up a new project when we are already working on Christian Hackenberg? Do I like Trubisky more than Hackenberg? Yes, so much more. But, wasting a pick on a project quarterback this high in the draft is dumb. Before we take another project, let’s at least see what Hackenberg can do on the field. As for Watson, I have a higher grade on Trubisky than I do on Watson and that’s if they started right now out of school. Watson is an electric player but he is a turnover machine. Personally, the last thing I think the Jets need after Sanchez, Smith, and Fitzpatrick is a turnover machine. 

If the Jets feel the need to add a quarterback, there are plenty of players they can add in the later rounds. There is a chance they can grab Pat Mahomes or DeShone Kizer if they fall out of the First Round. If they don’t fall, then they can get Josh Dobbs from Tennessee, Nathan Peterman from Pittsburgh, Chad Kelly from Ole Miss, Cooper Rush from Central Michigan, Jerod Evans from Virginia Tech, CJ Beathard from Iowa, Brad Kaaya from Miami, Davis Webb from California, etc. most of which will go in Day 3. There is absolutely no need to reach for a quarterback in this draft. The difference between most of the early round quarterbacks and later round quarterbacks is not enough to justify reaching at No. 6. 

Thanks for reading the article. I’ll have one up about safeties later this week. As you know, I mentioned ProFootballFocus a bunch in this article. If you would like to get more details on their draft book, please visit profootballfocus.com. Their draft book is one of the most unique books on the market.

 

 

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[RutgersJetFan]

At least half of you goons looked up velocity on Wikipedia before posting. 

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, King P said:

Drew Brees

Here's his scouting report. You can't tell me this doesn't sound exactly like Watson

 

 

 

I don't see Brees as much as I see Vince Young without (hopefully) the mental issues and a weaker arm (but better delivery and release).  I see so many similarities in their games and Watson has said that he models his game off of Young in the past.  Now he didn't put up the same crazy rushing numbers Young did on a consistent basis but he showed that he's capable of it in 2015 and I'd argue that he's a better passer than Vince was in college.  I also think that it's fair to say that VY is his ceiling and floor.  The tantalizing part of that is if Young didn't mentally collapse, I truly believe that the guy could have (and would have) been a very special player.  It also helps that I actually got super into football right before VY came to the pros and his class was the first I ever reaaaaaally paid attention too.  I didn't watch Drew at Purdue until well after his career had taken off.

[Pointdexter]

Mike Mayock on Watson's pro day:

"But his footwork was much improved because they're working on the feet and the hips, trying to sync that up with his arm strength," Mayock said. "Now his arm strength at all three levels is outstanding -- short, medium, deep"

Really throws a twist into the poor arm strength argument.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793413/article/deshaun-watson-draws-mixed-reviews-at-clemson-pro-day%3FnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcollege-football&p.ct=CFB+24/7&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23ffffff&p.bgc1m=%23000000&sr=amp

[Smashmouth]

8 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

 

ahh the video with the garbage music 

[DetroitRed]

If we take him, that means we take a QB 4 years in a row


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[Smashmouth]

4 hours ago, Gangrene said:

Matt Stopsky lays it out very well if you have time to read this ...

 

Mitchell Trubisky (Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

With the 2017 Draft only a little more than a week away, it’s time to start speculating about who the New York Jets are going to take at No. 6.  Most credible mock drafts have it down to two positions, quarterback or safety. I’ll cover both, but for this article we are looking at the quarterbacks who are being rumored for the Jets at No. 6.

There are five quarterbacks who have been rumored to be First Round picks for the last ten months. Those players are Mitchell Trubisky from UNC, DeShaun Watson from Clemson, Pat Mahomes II from Texas Tech, DeShone Kizer from Notre Dame and Brad Kaaya from Miami. The two quarterbacks that have been linked to the Jets are Trubisky and Watson. We’ll break them down using five separate categories. First, is how to look at their basic traits and measurables; that means height, weight, athletic ability, etc. Secondly, is their arm talent and passing skills. Third, is their ability in the pocket. Fourth, is the mental side of the game. Lastly, any intangibles, overall grade and scheme fit. From looking at these five categories we will be able to decide which quarterback the Jets should take at No. 6.

Basics

Watson and Trubisky are almost identical in size. They both come in at 6’2 and weigh between 220 and 225. As for athletic ability, most people assume that DeShaun Watson is a better athlete. However, that isn’t exactly true. Although Watson does look faster and quicker on film, Trubisky tested just as well at the combine. In Indianapolis, Trubisky posted a faster 3-Cone time and only came in 0.01 second slower than Watson’s 40 yard dash time. Watson, though, made better use of his athletic ability, posting very good rushing numbers for a Quarterback. In total, Watson had 629 yards on the ground with nine rushing touchdowns compared to Trubisky’s 308 yards and five touchdowns. 

2016 Rushing Stats
Player	Team	Pos.	Attempts	Yards	Yd/Cry	TD
Watson, DeShaun	Clemson	QB	165	629	3.8	9
Kizer, DeShone	Notre Dame	QB	129	472	3.7	8
Trubisky, Mitchell	UNC	QB	93	308	3.3	5
Mahomes, Patrick	Texas Tech	QB	131	285	2.2	12

When looking at how they performed against top talent the difference really starts to show. I consider top talent meaning a Power 5 team, a ranked team, or how they competed in a bowl game. When looking at those numbers, Watson posted 43.5 yards per game compared to Trubisky’s 18.9 and Watson had a whole yard per carry advantage over Trubisky.

2016 Rushing Stats Per Game v. 5RB
Player	Team	Pos.	Attempts	Yards	Yd/Cry	TD
Watson, DeShaun	Clemson	QB	11.8	43.5	3.7	0.7
Kizer, DeShone	Notre Dame	QB	11.4	34.7	3.0	0.8
Mahomes, Patrick	Texas Tech	QB	10.9	19.1	1.8	0.9
Trubisky, Mitchell	UNC	QB	7.1	18.9	2.7	0.5

 

 

The rushing stats for the three QB's other than Trubisky is exactly why I would not consider any of them. Watson with 165 Attempts and 629 yards is just bad for a few reasons. With as dominant an offense as they had he should never have been running that much and putting himself in harms way. That tells be maybe he's too quick to run which will not work in the NFL and its been proven time and again that these types of QB's just fail in the NFL not so much in the regular season but in the playoff's when the better defenses show up. Compare Cam Newton to Russel Wilson Wilson is a smart running QB and does not take big hits Newton is not and gets hammered more often than his franchise would like to see. If Newton Keeps that up he will begin to decline and we may already be seeing the beginning of that decline based on the bad year he just had.

Trubisky still has the athleticism to escape the rush and run when needed but he seems to be much more of a pass first QB than the other guys and the stats show it .

While I agree with most here that next year is probably the year we draft another QB if the young guys on our roster fail in a big way I feel this year if any QB will have a chance at success it would be Trubisky after a year on the bench in the NFL with that being said  I don't think any of them start right away or are ready to start right away.

[HighPitch]

Trubisky all the way. Mahomes a lil later. Peterman intrigues me too

[DetroitRed]

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If you like Tape, put on the Darnold film. Blows that away


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[HessStation]

9 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Again Watson would be the best QB on the roster if you don't agree then I don't know what to tell you. 

Dude I usually stick up for you but you're full blown trolling with pre-school level logic this thread and I'm still only on Page 1. 

[DetroitRed]

If you like Joe Namath, Darnold will be like the second coming. This city will be all over him come next spring. We may not be in position to draft him, but next years Qb class is worth the bad season


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[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

10 hours ago, SenorGato said:

I need it laid out for me because I can not think of one.

Good Thread, some well thought out reasons not to draft Watson, I have more doubt then I did before this thread but still think Watson is the best QB in the draft this year, even with all of the concerns in his game, I do think leadership and "winning" ability matter, it's a coin flip and you have to be in it to win it...

IMHO there only 2-3 reasons not to draft Watson;

1- You are tanking the season, looking at QB's next year 

2 - You think Hack and/or Petty can be a franchise QB 

3 - You trade for or draft another QB who can be a franchise QB

[DetroitRed]

That's why I like this offseason. They stripped this team down , And may trim some more. Let's be horrible, and celebrate every Bills, Doplhin and Pats Td. Laugh all our way to a top Qb

 

 

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[Dcat]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You really, really, really want to put this guy in the Jets locker room to help balance out all the me-first losers on the roster, by the arm talent is pretty meh and there's a better than aberage chance we'll be in position to draft one of the big three guys next year. If Watson was there in round two, you could deal with it. But at 6? It'd be dicey AF

Watson's weak arm in Met Life wind will be like watching Fitz or Pennington all over again.  No thanks.  I'd rather have a Vinny Testaverde arm. If only he had a brain to go with it.   We Jets fans have been through enough noodle arms in our lifetime.   Give me a guy with a cannon for an arm, accuracy and smart decision making.   Pennington and Fitzpatrick had terrible arms but good/decent smarts.  Geno Smith has a strong arm but is as dumb as a rock, can't read defenses and makes the worst decisions.  Sanchez had a fair arm but was also a terrible decision maker and couldn't read/see the whole field.    All our QBs had at least one debilitating defect and it always sucks because of that.   

I cannot believe that anyone would want to go through this again with an arm like Watson's.  I watched a fair amount of Clemson.  Watson's WRs were pretty good and helped bail him out a ton.  Watson is the definition of overrated.   Give me Trubisky, Mahomes, Peterman or Webb instead. 

[CanadaSteve]

10 hours ago, pointman said:

Cause the mighty Mike Mayock said so? 

Mayock is right about 85 percent of the time.  I would take his word about a prospect than many others.  Except maybe Tony Pauline. 

 

[varjet]

1 hour ago, DetroitRed said:

If we take him, that means we take a QB 4 years in a row


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Didn't Ron Wolf say to do that?

Drafting QBs is like building a stock portfolio.  You buy investments with good value.  In an NFL that is a passing league, a Trubisky is a good investment.  

Trubisky is from  Cleveland.  They don't have a qb either.  We need to watch this space.  

[BurnleyJet]

Mahomes, is the only one I'd draft and it would not be 1st round.

Kids got a monster arm. No more noodle arm guys. I actually like to just stock up this year, and go for QB broke next year.

[RESNewYork]

7 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said:

What successful NFL qb does he compare to?

These guys who come from these type of offenses and use their legs for a lot of their success never pan out in the nfl

Reminds me of Russell Wilson

[NoBowles]

One of the biggest concerns I have about Watson is that with the speed in the NFL, he will not be throwing to nearly as wide open receivers as he was at Clemson. If you watch Clemson games, opponents were so concerned about his running ability, he often was throwing to receivers without anyone within 10 yards. That will not translate at all to the NFL. He will be able to continue to b a running threat for a while, but that always catches up to QB's, and then the question is, can he stand in the pocket and beat a defense? Possibly, but he has not shown in anyway that he can, and his meh arm makes it less likely, particularly in the North East in December/January. Essentially, he is a very low probability to be an elite QB, and you just can't take a very low probability elite QB prospect with the 6th pick in the draft, because not only do you give up on the 6th pick in the draft, you pretty much eliminate any possibility of taking a high QB the following year. If he is there with the 2nd round pick, which is a possibility, Id love to grab him, but with the 6th, absolutely not, its another 5 year death blow for the Jets.

[flgreen]

7 hours ago, JetFaninMI said:

Not to be a prick but we pretty much are already there. Watson is a tough kid. He has the tools to be a starter in this league. I hear all this talk about playing in NY and how hard it is. The guy played through injuries(including a knee injury) and still did well. He has the mental toughness to play in NY and can get you a first down with his legs. Most importantly he has BALLS and is not a guy who will fold up like a cheap suit when the pressure is on. The kid has faced adversity and is not an immature Geno type who will wilt under pressure. He is well suited for the west coast offense as well according to scouting reports and in a cold weather city like NY where running the ball is paramount he is an ideal guy. He has flaws but they are coach able according to scouts and they say he has all you want in a starter in this league.There are no guarantees of course  but for this team, at this time, he should be on the board and highly considered to be the pick.

That's the thing, he doesn't have all the tools.  He has all the intangibles, but he just doesn't have the arm to be a franchise QB in the NFL.  He had THE weakest arm at the combine of all of them.  Probably going to be in the league quite awhile , but IMO I really just don't see him as a winning starting QB.

[JustInFudge]

9 hours ago, dbatesman said:

We're also throwing a pretty spectacular college career in the dumpster based on one radar gun reading, but to each his own, I guess.

One radar reading during a drill where the point is to complete passes.  In that drill, Watson by far looked like the best prospect throwing the Football.  He had zip, placement and accuracy.  But a couple of bloggers up in the stands point a radar gun at a couple of random passes that Watson didnt know were being clocked and poof - 49 MPH was created and its the first time I've ever heard of it.  Meanwhile, there is no proof that 49 MPH cant succeed in the NFL because the sample size is so small and it's a completely illegitimate effort run by bloggers with nobody else in the industry verifying their "findings". 

Of all the predraft hysteria that is created over the years as the draft process becomes more involved...this MPH thingy that is new to 2017 is the stupidest sh*t I've yet to see.

[thadude]

5 hours ago, Mogglez said:

I don't see Brees as much as I see Vince Young without (hopefully) the mental issues and a weaker arm (but better delivery and release).  I see so many similarities in their games and Watson has said that he models his game off of Young in the past.  Now he didn't put up the same crazy rushing numbers Young did on a consistent basis but he showed that he's capable of it in 2015 and I'd argue that he's a better passer than Vince was in college.  I also think that it's fair to say that VY is his ceiling and floor.  The tantalizing part of that is if Young didn't mentally collapse, I truly believe that the guy could have (and would have) been a very special player.  It also helps that I actually got super into football right before VY came to the pros and his class was the first I ever reaaaaaally paid attention too.  I didn't watch Drew at Purdue until well after his career had taken off.

I agree I think Watson projects as a smarter (but less athletic) version of VY.

 

Like VY he will be initially effective in the NFL and like VY once defenses figure out how to stop him it will be over

 

[Be_a_Jet]

I'm all in for Watson - pretty confident but more just like "f*** it" lets go for it. Crap about waiting for next year is so dumb. So much changes and honestly with exception to Sam Darnold I would take Watson over anyone coming out next year. 

[Dcat]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

One radar reading during a drill where the point is to complete passes.  In that drill, Watson by far looked like the best prospect throwing the Football.  He had zip, placement and accuracy.  But a couple of bloggers up in the stands point a radar gun at a couple of random passes that Watson didnt know were being clocked and poof - 49 MPH was created and its the first time I've ever heard of it.  Meanwhile, there is no proof that 49 MPH cant succeed in the NFL because the sample size is so small and it's a completely illegitimate effort run by bloggers with nobody else in the industry verifying their "findings". 

Of all the predraft hysteria that is created over the years as the draft process becomes more involved...this MPH thingy that is new to 2017 is the stupidest sh*t I've yet to see.

Yet when I watched Clemson, I thought to myself that this guy can't really get any velocity on his longer passes (which weren't that long).  So there is that (for me).  

Watson will be just another guy in the NFL.  Nothing special.  He has some really good attributes (legs, smarts, heart) and some not so NFL-good.  IMO, he is much overrated.  I'd take more of the unknowns over him like Trubisky or Mahomes. 

[thadude]

29 minutes ago, varjet said:

Didn't Ron Wolf say to do that?

Drafting QBs is like building a stock portfolio.  You buy investments with good value.  In an NFL that is a passing league, a Trubisky is a good investment.  

Trubisky is from  Cleveland.  They don't have a qb either.  We need to watch this space.  

Mike Macagnan said himself in an interview on the radio he was going to do that

 

And then he gave Josh McClown a 1 year $6 million deal

 

[Augustiniak]

watson's turnovers are a big problem and he had brutal turnovers two years in a row so it's no fluke.

[JustInFudge]

9 hours ago, SenorGato said:

What do any of these guys have to do with Watson? None of these guys come even a little bit kinda sorta close to what he did in college. They have nothing in common beyond a couple of them winning a NC. Do you not see how insane it reads on my end to knock a guy with this resume for his massive successes and using it as an argument for why he won't succeed? And it's not even like you're looking at the work in total - just the NC win, deciding that doesn't count because JaMarcus Russell won one and scientifically this means all NC winning QBs suck.  

Lol I should have just skipped to the last part...So the Elway/Marino in this draft is a guy with one season under his belt and small scale success during that one season? A guy who couldn't win a starting job for years? None of this makes sense to me, Trubisky has way more in common with those turds listed above than Watson in any objective measure. 

 

 

 

 

I dont recall Jamarcus Russell winning a National Championship.   Either way, they're not even remotely comparable.  Watson was a better passer by every single measurable passing category.  All those comparisons are ridiculous but that one is particularly ridiculous.