Long Island Leprechaun Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Paradis said: yea... and to that point - how does one make such a horrific error of judgement on that level? I know it happens, but not THAT badly, that often. Not at QB. Sure you get your fair share of Gabberts and Ponders but they still get a stretch run on the field for a few seasons (as oppose to Hack who couldn't even pull up 2nd string duties. How is that a guy who EVERYONE knew was not NFL material, still get drafted that high? How!?! How the hell does that happen??? Mac's making MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I'm assuming that's cause he's a rare commodity. Otherwise, i'll take the fcking job. You're right. Can only imagine O'Brien whispered in his ear or something. If he had drafted Hack around the 7th, we'd all shrug, but a 2nd is really crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I guess they needed his roster spot plus Gruden realized he couldn't beat out Cook or Manuel and didn't want to spend time on him. I think he could make a CFL team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post southparkcpa Posted June 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2018 This says more about MAC and confirms what many here believe. Hes nothing special. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Whew, now I don’t have to become a Raider fan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: Whew, now I don’t have to become a Raider fan. Next stop - New England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 There are Qbs like Drew Willy who never took a snap in the NFL even though on active rosters but had (have) a career in the CFL. I know Willy wasn't a 2nd round pick but he got a chance to play in Canada. I'd like to see Hack play in regulation games and see how he does before he hangs them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Surprised no one . Him against Manziel in the Gray Bowl. Book it and stuff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said: Well the Raiders have to eat the contract, as opposed to the Jets, so still a win. Well, you know, a win if you ignore the whole being a horrifically awful player they drafted thing. His 2018 base was not guaranteed -- the Raiders don't have to eat anything. We still have to eat the $800K from his signing bonus that was pro-rated across 4 years. Only thing the trade did was save us the embarrassment of having to cut a 2nd round pick who never set foot on the field after two seasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 While it's a black eye for Mac it does vindicate bowles' decision to never give him a chance to get on the field. It also proves that bowles wasn't responsible for his lack of development because if there was anything to develop he wouldn't have been cut this fast by the raiders. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Surprised no one . Him against Manziel in the Gray Bowl. Book it and stuff Sadly I don't think hack has the talent to be a backup in the CFL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Lith said: His 2018 base was not guaranteed -- the Raiders don't have to eat anything. We still have to eat the $800K from his signing bonus that was pro-rated across 4 years. Only thing the trade did was save us the embarrassment of having to cut a 2nd round pick who never set foot on the field after two seasons. Yeah, I forgot that it's only first-rounders whose rookie contracts are fully guaranteed, so it doesn't even do that much. Although I'm not sure there is any embarrassment that was saved no matter what they did. Only thing they had going for them when making that move was, "So... Darnold, right?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Sadly I don't think hack has the talent to be a backup in the CFL. Wow. Ok. Fine. RIP Hack. How about them Caps?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 So when does he start bitching that Gruden and his staff didn't coach him properly? Fkcing loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I thought Gruden was high on this kid when he got drafted? I guess he changed his mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Yeah I apologize to coach Bowles for being mad that he never put him in over Petty...still kinda pisses me off a little simply because we were always anticipating it, but yeah this validates his handling of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Even if he is right next to it he can't hit the ocean. Also I have blasted the hack pick from day one and been his worst critic. I still think bowles is a total a$$hole for not playing him even a series in that the last game of the year. Me too admittedly, wanted Hack to be good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 In before Hack press conference where he says that he's "frustrated" with Raider's coaching staff's development of him, especially in light of his new throwing motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, southparkcpa said: This says more about MAC and confirms what many here believe. Hes nothing special. Not sure you can judge him on one bad pick. (Yes, he's made some other bad ones.) I wanna see what this year's class looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: Yeah, wouldn't want to miss out on the opportunity of Bowles being to blame for the incompetence of others, regardless if the entire NFL ends up agreeing. I watched todd bowles play Darrel revis and mol wilk game after game after game when they were outright dogging it and making huge money. This narrative that the best players play is total bs for this coach. Also if hack was so bad he was not worth even thinking about in the last game he should have4 been cut and add good old joel stave to the roster. The jets had zero to play for, had awful Qbing from petty, were shutting down games and giving up but when it comes to giving a series to a guy sh*tty or not who had been on the team for two years they get righteous? Wake me up when bowels actually does play the best players and wake me up when he does not give up mid game like he did in the denver game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Raideraholic said: I doubt it, and I wouldn't be suprised they sign another Qb.( to try and develop). either way it looks like the jets just lost that conditional draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Not sure you can judge him on one bad pick. (Yes, he's made some other bad ones.) I wanna see what this year's class looks like. well you're right about one bad pick. i'm not a mac or even bowles hater but his first draft was terrible unless mauldin turns a serious corner. he seems to like to take these undervalued reaches but forgets they're undervalued because they've been injured or had some other issues that made it difficult to play in the nfl. hack seems to be one of those reaches but at the second pick he was overvalued. that's doubly bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Lith said: His 2018 base was not guaranteed -- the Raiders don't have to eat anything. We still have to eat the $800K from his signing bonus that was pro-rated across 4 years. Only thing the trade did was save us the embarrassment of having to cut a 2nd round pick who never set foot on the field after two seasons. If this is the case (don’t kill me guys) would it make since to bring him back into camp? If we have to pay him we should put him to work. We can get more recievers on the Field with 4 QBs plus we can revisit the trade option. Worst case we cut him after the preseason 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Why’d it take so long for Macc to dump Hack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, jetsjets said: If this is the case (don’t kill me guys) would it make since to bring him back into camp? If we have to pay him we should put him to work. We can get more recievers on the Field with 4 QBs plus we can revisit the trade option. Worst case we cut him after the preseason No - we need to put all of our resources into developing Darnold. No point in adding a young project who needs to be developed. He has no place with the Jets and probably no place in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, jetsjets said: If this is the case (don’t kill me guys) would it make since to bring him back into camp? If we have to pay him we should put him to work. We can get more recievers on the Field with 4 QBs plus we can revisit the trade option. Worst case we cut him after the preseason We got a conditional 7th for him. What do you expect to trade him for now? You think is value has increased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 How soon before BB picks him up and he stars in NE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, jgb said: We got a conditional 7th for him. What do you expect to trade him for now? You think is value has increased? I believe that pick went out the window when raiders cut him before the start of the season The pic was conditional pending on how many games he was active Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-waive-christian-hackenberg-essentially-negating-recent-trade-with-jets/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Here's what I don't get: How are you that big of a recruit and have a stellar rookie season in college, then completely forget how to play the game? He was good. What happened to this kid? Anyway, he's got a couple of million and a degree....I hope he's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, jetsjets said: I believe that pick went out the window when raiders cut him before the start of the season The pic was conditional pending on how many games he was active That's my point. The only way to execute your plan to pick him up and trade him (again) would be if he appreciated in value above the zero we got for him the first time around even after getting cut after one week by Gruden who was on the record as having a mancrush on him. If anything his value is now: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RoadFan Posted June 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2018 Hackenberg couldn't throw a dirty sock into a laundry basket from 5 feet away. Can we please bury this guy already? He will always be part of Jets draft infamy, but it would be nice to not see his name on the board for awhile. The Jets QB situation looks to be so promising. We don't need to be reminded of the Hackenberg colossal fail every week. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Here's what I don't get: How are you that big of a recruit and have a stellar rookie season in college, then completely forget how to play the game? He was good. What happened to this kid? Anyway, he's got a couple of million and a degree....I hope he's fine. He was never good. Certainly not stellar. His first year was a mirage. This is what I feel I have to explain over and over. Drives me nuts. If a guy puts one year of maybe above average tape, and I stress MAYBE, out there... along with 2 terrible years of college plus 2 more terrible years of pro... The one season is the aberration and not the norm. He didn't "forget how to play" as you put it. HE NEVER FREAKIN' COULD PLAY TO BEGIN WITH! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bleedin Green Posted June 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: I watched todd bowles play Darrel revis and mol wilk game after game after game when they were outright dogging it and making huge money. This narrative that the best players play is total bs for this coach. Also if hack was so bad he was not worth even thinking about in the last game he should have4 been cut and add good old joel stave to the roster. The jets had zero to play for, had awful Qbing from petty, were shutting down games and giving up but when it comes to giving a series to a guy sh*tty or not who had been on the team for two years they get righteous? Wake me up when bowels actually does play the best players and wake me up when he does not give up mid game like he did in the denver game. So your argument is that Bowles' claims to playing the best player are somehow disproven by his disinterest in starting a player who should not have even been on the roster, and is currently on his way out of the NFL? Sure, that doesn't totally contradict itself at all. And this is somehow supported by his lack of benching of All Pro players backed up by JAGs? I'm not even a Bowles fan, but it's tiresome how patently absurd the attempts are to blame him for the incompetence of others, just because some really want it to be true. I don't even disagree with the concept of him poorly handling Revis and Wilk, but those scenarios could not possibly be more unrelated to Hack's waste of space, other than trying to fill a need to whine about Bowles on literally every single piece of news that ever comes up related to the Jets, present or former, no matter how trivial. This is just the most recent instance of some folks around here constantly wanting to use one, and only one, person to excuse the failures of countless others throughout the team. Is it really that difficult for some around here to comprehend the idea of there being more than one person responsible for failures at any given time? Hack was a complete waste of time and money and those responsible for that are Hack and Maccagnan. Sorry if that doesn't fit everyone's narratives, but that doesn't magically change reality. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Maybe he could go be Johnny Footballs backup! What category is going to be in for Madden? MIA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 My take on Hack is he should of transferred when Penn St hired Franklin. He was not a fit in that Offense, took a beating, lost all confidence, etc. Only reason he was a prospect in the ‘16 draft was that freshman season in a pro style offense. Should of never went in the 2nd, but could def see someone taking a flyer on him in rounds 4 thru 6. Thought Houston or NE would take him around there. Mac likely heard a ton about Hack thru O’Brien, got cute/cocky in the war room, reached at 2, probably thought he got a steal. Hack got to camp, coaching staff realized he was completely lost, not all there and that was it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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