Jamal's true feelings?

[chirorob]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

1. States at #1 that the NY media has driven players out of NY “time and time again.”

2. Is only able to name one player.

3. That player was Odell Beckham Jr.

 

Parents, don’t let your kids grow up to be bloggers. Spring for J-school.

Odell Beckham, who was paid by the Giants.

That guy is full of crap

[rangerous]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Except Oliver is an athletic freak and Aaron Donald is his ceiling.  5 sacks compared to 2.5 sacks is a pretty big gap too, by the way.  100 % better production.  Oliver got his 5 sacks in 7 starts.  Aaron Donald got 9 sacks in 12 starts as a rookie.

Josh Allen would have been a good pick too.  Trading down was the best option.  As usual, Macc chose door # 4, and it was the wrong decision.

qwill is going to be a pretty darn good player.  i don't think he's going to turn out like leo.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, rangerous said:

qwill is going to be a pretty darn good player.  i don't think he's going to turn out like leo.

Simply not being Leo or not being a bust isn't good enough.  He was a # 3 overall pick who was highly productive in college.  He needs to become a monster. 

I'm tired of these DTs who get taken high and to see Jets fans praise them for being run stuffers.  It's like fans need to cling to any little thing to convince themselves it was a good pick and the player is good.  

No excuses for QW.  Produce.

[nyjunc]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

1. States at #1 that the NY media has driven players out of NY “time and time again.”

2. Is only able to name one player.

3. That player was Odell Beckham Jr.

 

Parents, don’t let your kids grow up to be bloggers. Spring for J-school.

The media didn't drive Odell out, Odell did it himself.

[RutgersJetFan]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Yeah yeah 

we're all the mush 

This is going to blow everyone's mind but well run franchises manage to pay more than 4 players (and Sanchez) over 20 years 

what's the consistent factor here? 

the ownership doesn't believe in paying for top quality labor 

unless your name is Curtis Martin and it's 20 years ago

the last 10 years they've either been wildly under the cap floor (like now) "starving the roster" or wildly spending on Bell and mosely (and sometimes Trumaine Johnson) to get up to the floor 

 

do you know what happens when a team stays under the floor? The money is distributed equally among all the players who played for the team during that 4 year period 

again, Johnsons don't want to pay anyone 

if they aren't paying Jamal Adams, then who? 

 

For once you and I are in total agreement for the most part. I just think with the way this same situation has gone down multiple times they are probably better off sending him elsewhere. Think about what all of the previous guys did to the locker rooms in terms of their meltdowns and distractions. At some point this sh*t just becomes not worth it. Like it’s pretty safe to say Adams is way more Wilkerson than he is Ferguson. 

[Snell41]

Jamal wants to be the big fish in the pond, he can’t do that in NY. He’ll never be big enough or good enough.


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[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Except Oliver is an athletic freak and Aaron Donald is his ceiling.  5 sacks compared to 2.5 sacks is a pretty big gap too, by the way.  100 % better production.  Oliver got his 5 sacks in 7 starts.  Aaron Donald got 9 sacks in 12 starts as a rookie.

Josh Allen would have been a good pick too.  Trading down was the best option.  As usual, Macc chose door # 4, and it was the wrong decision.

Aaron Donald?
Oliver will never be Aaron Donald. 

Ceiling, lol

 

 

 

 

 

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I was on the Pay Adams Train a few months ago, but the way this has all gone down is kinda gross. It's hard to fathom any scenario where the Jets pay him and then they all live happily ever after. Between Fitz and Santonio and Revis and Wilkerson the Jets have so much experience with these oddball extension situations the last decade and this one seems to fit right in with all of them, and every single time it has ended terribly. 

In ranking them, I don’t think Jamal has the same degree of criminality to him that Santonio had, but Jamal is a worse person and less talented player

[Bugg]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

True, at least not for some of the tests that actually matter for a pass rusher.

We should have taken Ed Oliver.

How is this GREAT!? Would you take a wideout or corner or back who refused to run the 40?A Qb who refused to throw? A Defensive Tackle who did not partake in benching 225 pounds; the mind boggles. The whole point of the position is extending your arms, pushing forward, leveraging and knocking OL guys back to collapse the pocket. Vaguely recall that Joe Klecko (probably using some strong stuff) was   asked to stop at 50 reps because, well, that was enough, we get it, you are a beast.

Mike Maccagnan would not be denied! His success in taking lazy fatbody DTs named Williams sporting #92 was already well known, let's do it again! To hell with LTs and edges and wideouts, MORE DTs!

[BUM-KNEE]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

What happened to all the filth posters who were defending Jamal a wee six months ago? 

Hey! Filth poster?

Keep it playa....

[Bugg]

4 hours ago, bitonti said:

Yeah yeah 

we're all the mush 

This is going to blow everyone's mind but well run franchises manage to pay more than 4 players (and Sanchez) over 20 years 

what's the consistent factor here? 

the ownership doesn't believe in paying for top quality labor 

unless your name is Curtis Martin and it's 20 years ago

the last 10 years they've either been wildly under the cap floor (like now) "starving the roster" or wildly spending on Bell and mosely (and sometimes Trumaine Johnson) to get up to the floor 

 

do you know what happens when a team stays under the floor? The money is distributed equally among all the players who played for the team during that 4 year period 

again, Johnsons don't want to pay anyone 

if they aren't paying Jamal Adams, then who? 

 

They have drafted so poorly there haven't really been many guys who you would want to pay. Had they drafted, say Pat Mahomes over Adams, they would happily  cut that big ass check . No argument about the Johnsons being worthless tools, but the GMs here have been from hunger on draft day. 

[slats]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Let’s get back to deriding Jamal and his fans.

I swear to god, the minute @Maxman says it's okay to ban you...  

[T0mShane]

33 minutes ago, slats said:

I swear to god, the minute @Maxman says it's okay to ban you...  

I am a content creator with many engagements. I am #unbannable.

[JoJoTownsell1]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

What happened to all the filth posters who were defending Jamal a wee six months ago? 

 

 

[TuscanyTile2]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

What happened to all the filth posters who were defending Jamal a wee six months ago? 

Is calling out Jamal before anyone else your top JN moment of all time?

[slats]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I am a content creator with many engagements. I am #unbannable.

Best use of sad emoji, ever. 

[Lurker89]

[CrazyCarl40]

Jamal’s true feelings? This is the NFL not a Drake song. 

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Is calling out Jamal before anyone else your top JN moment of all time?

I have many Jet-failure trophies mounted above my mantle. Try your best not to be among them, SIR

[Mogglez]

5 hours ago, Bugg said:

They have drafted so poorly there haven't really been many guys who you would want to pay. Had they drafted, say Pat Mahomes over Adams, they would happily  cut that big ass check . No argument about the Johnsons being worthless tools, but the GMs here have been from hunger on draft day. 

Brought this exact point up a week ago to him and it was ducked harder than someone trying to duck a Mike Tyson punch coming at their face.  Don't expect an answer.  In Bit's perfect world, we give Jamal 20 million dollars per year.  No amount of sound logic or reason is changing his mind on that.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

9 hours ago, PepPep said:

These are def. not great arguments IMO for how he's been acting. I man he can want whatever he wants but these are not great reasons for wanting to leave or being deserved of a new contract or trade. 

1. NY Media: Really? You're gonna blame the NY media? It really goes both ways with the NY media. This is the same media that will raise you up to God like elite status if you win and act like a true gentleman. This is the same media that will lead to countless endorsements and an insane flow of $$$ on top of your salary. 

2. Player/Coach turnover: Another cop out for me. So the coach who drafted you, the GM who drafted you are gone. So what. You had your best season under your new coach and D.Coordinator (who is miles ahead of the last one). It'd be one thing if Darnold hated Gase (and maybe he does) but with GW in the house, does Jamal really care about what Gase thinks of him? Would Jamal prefer Macc over JD? No. He would prefer whoever pays him. THATS the issue, not who the GM is. 

3. Jamal is tired: not sure what the exact argument was here. Jamal has been in the league for 3 seasons. What is he tired of exactly? Garrett and McCaffrey are getting paid and they haven't won anything. So the argument is that he's no longer into personal accolades? Really? He's looking for a contender (who are typically cash strapped) and wants to be there long term? Like Garrett or McCaffrey? I'm confused. This argument makes no sense. 

4.  McCaffrey signing: This is by far the only viable argument for Jamal. He wants an extension based on what other players drafted in the same year as him, making the same impact as him around the league are getting. But even then you're looking at a completely different situation with a different GM and owner a different player at a different position, etc. etc. As much as you want to talk about how similar those two situations are, they have just as many differences when you break it down to the details. 

5. The fans don't like him: This is by far the worst argument you can make. The fans absolutely LOVED Jamal until he started posting on social media about getting his contract extension, JD wanting to trade him, and now asking to be traded. Any dislike coming from fans was MOSTLY brought on by himself. It is very easy to have the fans turn on you in ANY city if you wanted to make that happen. And Jamal most definitely did not keep that from happening, if not invited it. Sure there were detractors from the start when he was drafted in the top 10. Fans that disagreed that a safety should have drafted that high. I remember the forums. However, overall, once he started performing at an All Pro level, they were in the minority. Either way, blaming the fans is ALWAYS a terrible way to go. 

Great job trashing this bunch of drivel. Paying Adams would be colossally stupid in the middle of a season-threatening pandemic and with him unable to leave the Jets for 3-4 years.  Let him be unhappy. It will only hurt his value and make a trade or a large contract less likely.  He'll be free in 2023, or 2024. Just around the corner , Jamal.Any year now.  

[Maxman]

5 hours ago, slats said:

I swear to god, the minute @Maxman says it's okay to ban you...  

Check your PM. Or your text messages. Or your post office box.

[Wonderboy]

11 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Classic, textbook case was and always will be Tom Seaver

Hey hey hey don’t mess with Tom Terrfic buddy

[32EBoozer]

17 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Some have returned to say they hate him now.  Others claim they never liked him. 

A few still think we need to cave in to him.  These are people who should delete their JN accounts.  @bitonti  @FidelioJet  @NYJ1  @Trolly McTrollface

 

#CANCEL-CULTURE!

[rangerous]

16 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Simply not being Leo or not being a bust isn't good enough.  He was a # 3 overall pick who was highly productive in college.  He needs to become a monster. 

I'm tired of these DTs who get taken high and to see Jets fans praise them for being run stuffers.  It's like fans need to cling to any little thing to convince themselves it was a good pick and the player is good.  

No excuses for QW.  Produce.

fair enough.  we should all want game changers with such a high pick in the draft.  give him a chance.  he's still a youngster.  if anything, his position was drafted too high but that's the way mac rolled.

[Dcat]

18 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

 You know okay to have good players?L, right? 
I’ve never seen a fan base praise mediocrity so much and yet always looking to give up any real talent we have.

at some point you have to talented players to win.  

Continuing from the only wise comment you've made:   

Yes, so you don't pay a strong safety an absurd % of your salary cap when you need to pay your Edge, CB, OTs and QB 1st, because if you cave to Adams nonsense, that will make it all the harder to get, pay and retain great players at those positions, all of which are immensley more important than Jamal freaking Adams.

[Jetsfan80]

9 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Brought this exact point up a week ago to him and it was ducked harder than someone trying to duck a Mike Tyson punch coming at their face.  Don't expect an answer.  In Bit's perfect world, we give Jamal 20 million dollars per year.  No amount of sound logic or reason is changing his mind on that.

He also thinks Jamal >>> T.J. Watt.  

Bit's stubborn opinion on the matter is invalid.  

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

Continuing from the only wise comment you've made:   

Yes, so you don't pay a strong safety an absurd % of your salary cap when you need to pay your Edge, CB, OTs and QB 1st, because if you cave to Adams nonsense, that will make it all the harder to get, pay and retain great players at those positions, all of which are immensley more important than Jamal freaking Adams.

 

And meanwhile.....Jamal isn't a free agent!  He's still on the roster the next 2 seasons!  So if Fidelio's goal is to have good players, and Jamal is one of them.....then nothing needs to be done at the moment.

[Philc1]

18 hours ago, chirorob said:

Odell Beckham, who was paid by the Giants.

That guy is full of crap

At least Beckham had a reason to be cocky

[FidelioJet]

2 hours ago, Dcat said:

Continuing from the only wise comment you've made:   

Yes, so you don't pay a strong safety an absurd % of your salary cap when you need to pay your Edge, CB, OTs and QB 1st, because if you cave to Adams nonsense, that will make it all the harder to get, pay and retain great players at those positions, all of which are immensley more important than Jamal freaking Adams.

Except you don’t have to cave, just make him play under his current contract.  Ignore his

Ignore his Twitter nonsense and make him play.   

[y2k8]

9 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Except you don’t have to cave, just make him play under his current contract.  Ignore his

Ignore his Twitter nonsense and make him play.   

Totally agree.

Paying him would be awarding his bad behavior and sets a bad precedent.

Trading him would be rewarding his bad behavior and sets a bad precedent (especially since we'd get pennies on the dollar in return).

The ONLY play here given the rookie contract, 2 years of control and the minimal cap hit is to keep him.

Make him play or let him hold out and go without a paycheck. Either is preferable to trading him or extending him now.

 

[Philc1]

31 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Except you don’t have to cave, just make him play under his current contract.  Ignore his

Ignore his Twitter nonsense and make him play.   

Sounds like JD made a reasonable offer that Adams publicly scoffed at with the “keep it playa” tweet

 

JD is negotiating in good faith.  Adams is being a worse Porzingis 

[14 in Green]

20 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Simply not being Leo or not being a bust isn't good enough.  He was a # 3 overall pick who was highly productive in college.  He needs to become a monster. 

I'm tired of these DTs who get taken high and to see Jets fans praise them for being run stuffers.  It's like fans need to cling to any little thing to convince themselves it was a good pick and the player is good.  

No excuses for QW.  Produce.

So close to being a great post... I agree 100% with everything you said here, the problem is you said it about the wrong #3 pick.

QW isn’t the guy who’s going to make or break this organizations future, it’s the other guy we took a year earlier in the same spot (after giving up a kings ransom to do so) who will.

As you said, No excuses. Produce.

[slats]

18 minutes ago, Trolly McTrollface said:

So close to being a great post... I agree 100% with everything you said here, the problem is you said it about the wrong #3 pick.

QW isn’t the guy who’s going to make or break this organizations future, it’s the other guy we took a year earlier in the same spot (after giving up a kings ransom to do so) who will.

As you said, No excuses. Produce.

Oh look, Trolly McTrollface wants to make this about Darnold. Weird. 

[BUM-KNEE]

31 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Sounds like JD made a reasonable offer that Adams publicly scoffed at with the “keep it playa” tweet

 

JD is negotiating in good faith.  Adams is being a worse Porzingis 

What's a porzingis?