Update on QW and Josh Allen

[BCJet]

Just thought it was time for an update on the popular Quinnen Williams - Josh Allen discussion.

This is from Michael Nania at Jetsxfactor.

Against the Bills in Week 8, Williams set a career-high with five pressures, tied for third-most among interior defensive linemen that week. Two appearances later, he went he had seven pressures against the Chargers, another new career-high, and tops among IDL in Week 11.

Williams is currently ranked 13th among IDL with a combined total of 4.3 stops and pressures per game (stops are tackles that constitute a “failure” for the offense). He is also one of only three IDL with a 70.0+ Pro Football Focus pass rushing grade, a 70.0+ PFF run defense grade, 20+ pressures, and 20+ stops, along with Cameron Heyward and DeForest Buckner.

In the running game, Williams is arguably the most active defensive tackle in the NFL, leading IDL with 2.2 stuffs (tackles in the run game short of the first down marker for a gain of 2 yards or less) per game.

He also has 34 total tackles and 3.5 sacks on the season.

As for Josh Allen, he has 13 total tackles, 2.5 sacks and is currently on IR. 

No one is saying edge isnt a move valuable position or that Allen isnt a good player, but for all the talk about trading QW and how he is a bust, I think its pretty safe to say he is turning into an excellent player and for a player who is still 22 years old, has a ceiling of an elite DT.

[Barkus]

Qw is definitely improving. He is still young and should continue to get better. Hopefully we can get some improvement off the edge which should help him out even more.

[Jetster]

4 minutes ago, Barkus said:

Qw is definitely improving. He is still young and should continue to get better. Hopefully we can get some improvement off the edge which should help him out even more.

We have NO ONE on the edge to worry about. Bud Dupree would help that! 

[jetlaw]

Quinnon has really stepped up. Let’s build around him, Becton and mimms.


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[BCJet]

11 minutes ago, Jetster said:

We have NO ONE on the edge to worry about. Bud Dupree would help that! 

Dupree is such a great fit here.  If we had someone with his speed an pass rush ability, it would make QW that much more effective.  John Franklin Myers has also been very good as an inside rusher on passing downs, and seems like a real find along the DL as a 3-4 DE and then pass rushing DT.  

[RoadFan]

QW's college tape was outstanding.  Dominant.

He IS a pass rusher and will be a defensive centerpiece for this team. 

There is a reason teams made offers to acquire him, and one team made the 'whopper' offer.  Douglas kept him anyway.  JD knows how good this kid can be.

Warren Sapp wasn't dominant until year 3.

 

[The Crusher]

4 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

QW's college tape was outstanding.  Dominant.

He IS a pass rusher and will be a defensive centerpiece for this team. 

There is a reason teams made offers to acquire him, and one team made the 'whopper' offer.  Douglas kept him anyway.  JD knows how good this kid can be.

Warren Sapp wasn't dominant until year 3.

 

Like someone mention earlier once we have a legitimate edge guy or even two Q will blossom. If he can be 75% the disruptive force Sapp was he will live up to his draft slot. Nice to see some young Jet talent improving for a change. 

[RoadFan]

2 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Like someone mention earlier once we have a legitimate edge guy or even two Q will blossom. If he can be 75% the disruptive force Sapp was he will live up to his draft slot. Nice to see some young Jet talent improving for a change. 

I was hoping for a Derrick Brooks.

John Lynch bring the opportunity for way too many safety quips...

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

It wasn't the right pick at the time, but that is now irrelevant. We have a blossoming defensive tackle who will hopefully turn into a perennial pro-bowler. Nobody knows what the future will bring, but Q is trending in the right direction, and he is the type of player that contributes to winning football. 

[JustInFudge]

I was one upset about QW >>> Josh Allen

Allen has been a huge disappointment this year.  Rumor is the coaching staff asked him to lose weight for some reason and he's just not as powerful as he once was and now he's the focus where he used to have Ngakoue and Campbell taking some of the attention away.  Still, huge disappointment. 

[Philc1]

I liked both players in the draft and in the long term both will be stars

 

glad to see the QW-venom club quiet

[Philc1]

56 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

QW's college tape was outstanding.  Dominant.

He IS a pass rusher and will be a defensive centerpiece for this team. 

There is a reason teams made offers to acquire him, and one team made the 'whopper' offer.  Douglas kept him anyway.  JD knows how good this kid can be.

Warren Sapp wasn't dominant until year 3.

 

But what about injured Jonah who is moving to RT?

[Integrity28]

QW has been one of a few bright spots.

[genot]

Too all those who wanted to dump QW, in year two, who also want to dump Darnold in year three. Consider this. A QB is far more dependant on those around him doing their jobs than a DT. If their not doing their job, it makes it very difficult for a QB, to do theirs.

[Philc1]

3 minutes ago, genot said:

Too all those who wanted to dump QW, in year two, who also want to dump Darnold in year three. Consider this. A QB is far more dependant on those around him doing their jobs than a DT. If their not doing their job, it makes it very difficult for a QB, to do theirs.

Jets fans love trashing their own players.  Watch Sam make the pro bowl next year on a different team

[Jimmy 2 Times]

3 minutes ago, genot said:

Too all those who wanted to dump QW, in year two, who also want to dump Darnold in year three. Consider this. A QB is far more dependant on those around him doing their jobs than a DT. If their not doing their job, it makes it very difficult for a QB, to do theirs.

Sam has played with a poor supporting cast.  If he was making the simple reads and executing the easy plays where his guys are open, I'd agree with you.  Unfortunately he's looking at open receivers and not pulling the trigger.  There has been numerous videos documenting this proof.  One of the worse was when he had a wide open guy on the slant, but held on for another two seconds which led to his shoulder injury.

 

He's just not processing the information the defense is showing him.  

[genot]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

Sam has played with a poor supporting cast.  If he was making the simple reads and executing the easy plays where his guys are open, I'd agree with you.  Unfortunately he's looking at open receivers and not pulling the trigger.  There has been numerous videos documenting this proof.  One of the worse was when he had a wide open guy on the slant, but held on for another two seconds which led to his shoulder injury.

 

He's just not processing the information the defense is showing him.  

Could it be that he hasn't had the time to develop chemistry with these receivers, and that combined with no pass protection, has made him unsure of where to go with the ball. I mean, i agree that there have been times that he missed open receivers. Ultimately, the blames on him. Alot of good QB's miss easy completions in hope of pushing the ball downfield, or they feel more comfortable trying to het the ball to a different guy. Nobody notices that, when the offense is scoring points, and the team is winning

[nycdan]

While we're at it, we ought to bring Ed Oliver into this discussion as a lot of people were bemoaning passing on tiny-DT after years of crapping on tiny-LB.

2020

QW: 34 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 7 TFL, 7 QBH

EO: 21 tackles, 1 sack, 3 TFL, 4 QBH

That's with Oliver on a better all-around defense and with one more game played.

Not saying Oliver won't be very good for a long time, but right now, nobody should have any regrets about passing on him and we should absolutely be excited for seeing how QW's game progresses as we improve the overall team around him.

[rangerous]

Qwill is going to be another jets player who is judged more on his draft position than what he actually brings at his position.  True enough defensive tackles can be found in later rounds and so maybe a different position should’ve been drafted but qwill is becoming one of those players the other teams will have to worry about.  The jets need more guys like him.

[Obrien2Toon]

Mac is a genius!!

[Pac]

[New York Mick]

If I wasn’t so lazy I’d pull up the few hundred post by a few here saying how Allen was the best player ever coming out of college, the next LT, game changer, a future HOF etc etc 

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

I was one upset about QW >>> Josh Allen

Allen has been a huge disappointment this year.  Rumor is the coaching staff asked him to lose weight for some reason and he's just not as powerful as he once was and now he's the focus where he used to have Ngakoue and Campbell taking some of the attention away.  Still, huge disappointment. 

My dream wish is that after we fire Gase, Jacksonville hires him as their OC.   I want to see them with a top 3 pick for the next 5 years.  The team should never have been allowed into the NFL.  @#$% them!

Sorry, it's Thanksgiving and I'm drinking.

Happy Thanksgiving all!!!!!!

[Saul Goodman]

As someone else said above, bad pick, due to position (we really needed offense; Josh Allen wouldn’t have been a much better pick either). But Quinnen is definitely a good player. 

Maybe we should pass the Baby Huey nickname onto our softie left tackle ?

[Fantasy Island]

9 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

If I wasn’t so lazy I’d pull up the few hundred post by a few here saying how Allen was the best player ever coming out of college, the next LT, game changer, a future HOF etc etc 

I was one of them.

[Fantasy Island]

21 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Mac is a genius!!

Hackenberg to Sheppard.  A plethora of excrement.

[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, New York Mick said:

If I wasn’t so lazy I’d pull up the few hundred post by a few here saying how Allen was the best player ever coming out of college, the next LT, game changer, a future HOF etc etc 

Yet you're lazy enough to exaggerate these hypothetical posts you're too lazy to quote. lol

I was one of the people lamenting not taking Allen, but if changing my mind and loving Quinnen is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

[New York Mick]

42 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Yet you're lazy enough to exaggerate these hypothetical posts you're too lazy to quote. lol

I was one of the people lamenting not taking Allen, but if changing my mind and loving Quinnen is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

I thought taking any defensive player was stupid. You also weren’t one of the ones telling me I only watched one game and had no idea what I was talking even though I watched a ton of college football and I didn’t, there are a ton of post saying how amazing he was. 

[jago]

Bless you thank you mac?

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

Great post.  The buzz about Josh Allen has really cooled off this year.

[kdels62]

I never thought too highly of Josh Allen. I was high on Ed Oliver and he’s been a nonfactor 

[jeremy2020]

Remember all the Leonard threads trying to justify him? The jamal one? Good times. 

[CanadienJetsFan]

4 hours ago, genot said:

Could it be that he hasn't had the time to develop chemistry with these receivers, and that combined with no pass protection, has made him unsure of where to go with the ball. I mean, i agree that there have been times that he missed open receivers. Ultimately, the blames on him. Alot of good QB's miss easy completions in hope of pushing the ball downfield, or they feel more comfortable trying to het the ball to a different guy. Nobody notices that, when the offense is scoring points, and the team is winning

You’re making too much sense. Don’t you know that Sam has been officially labeled a bust on this site?

 

I’d be ok with Sam as the Jet QB. But the ball is literally in his court. He needs to Go out there and win a few games. That’ll put the tank for Lawrence talk on ice.

I hope That his shoulder is healed and that he can play the last six games. Now that he has his receiving corps healthy, and has had the last couple of games to observe, He should be able to go out there and put up some points.

He’s got to grow some stones & take the bull by the horns. For his own sake, if he goes out there and wets the bed, no teams going to think he’s worth a high draft pick for him. That means Marriottaville for Sam.

 

[DetroitRed]

So funny seeing how people jump the gun


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[kdels62]

Although Quinnen may be a good player, he was still a bad draft pick. However, as we pívot away from Darnold and towards Lawrence (Wilson) he’s a nice foundational piece.