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It is probably because Saleh is trying to mold players to fit his "System" rather than a system who fits the player.

Brian Costello

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Defensive tackle Quinnen Williams is one of the Jets’ top players. It is hard to debate that. But unlike some of his teammates, he plays fewer than two-thirds of the defensive snaps.

Why?
Williams has played 62 percent (346 snaps) of the Jets’ defensive plays this season. It would seem smart for that number to be at 80 or 90 percent, since Williams is an impactful player, but head coach Robert Saleh believes in a heavy rotation along the defensive line because of what he is asking in his scheme. Defensive linemen are asked to penetrate and get in the backfield on every down in Saleh’s system, unlike two-gap systems, in which linemen read and react more.

“The objective really for the entire D-line is to not have any of them play more than 40 snaps in a game. That’s the goal,” Saleh said before the Jets face the Bills on Sunday at MetLife Stadium. “The amount of strain we ask from play-to-play, if you are able to play 90 percent, to us, and everyone’s different, but the 3-4 teams can because they’re more gap controlled, stay on the line of scrimmage.

“We ask so much out of our D-line that if you can go four plays in a row or play 90 percent, then you’re probably BS’ing on the football field, in our mind and you’re not executing the technique as it’s designed.”

The Jets’ interior defensive line got roasted last week against the Colts, but has been one of the team’s strengths this season. Williams has gotten the most snaps at 62 percent, but he has remained around Saleh’s goal of 40 snaps a game for most of the year. He had 59 snaps against the Titans, but that was because of Derrick Henry and the focus on stopping the run in that game. He played 50 snaps against the Falcons and in the second Patriots game. In every other game he was right near 40 snaps or below.

The other defensive linemen have also been rotational. Folorunso Fatukasi has played 56 percent of the snaps. Sheldon Rankins is at 54 percent. Nathan Shepherd is at 35 percent.

“Quinnen is a phenomenal football player, but we also think Sheldon Rankins is a phenomenal football player,” Saleh said. “We love Foley (Folorunso Fatukasi), we love Shep (Nathan Shepherd), so there’s a really cool four-man rotation, really deep four-man rotation and on the interior. The objective is to keep those guys as fresh as possible, especially when you get to those two-minute situations at the end of half, at the end of game, so they can give you everything they got. Four straight shots and get off the field.”

 

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"Defensive tackle Quinnen Williams is one of the Jets’ top players. It is hard to debate that..." Exactly why we are, once again, heading deeper into the ditch.   For some odd reason, this franch

Quinnen is an ok player.  Hes not a star, hes not a pro bowler. He is a huge disappointment relative to where he was drafted.

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12 minutes ago, DonCorleone said:

Do you think that in this 3 game stretch Quinnen has played well?

Everyone who is not an elite talent has stretches  like this, especially  when you are in a rotation  like this. We are getting into Leo territory now expecting  this guy to wreck every O he plays against. 

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In fairness nobody on defense has played well.  And who trusts these coaches to put players in the best position to succeed esp. on defense?   The one thing the jets did right last year was stop the run, and somehow, with the same DL, these coaches took the same guys and made them suck.  Could each guy play better, yes.  At least Q has 5 sacks in 9 games, which is not bad.

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22 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Everyone who is not an elite talent has stretches  like this, especially  when you are in a rotation  like this. We are getting into Leo territory now expecting  this guy to wreck every O he plays against. 

3 games is a lot also, I am blaming Saleh for most of that, not Quinnen. Read the original post.

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1 minute ago, Warfish said:

QW is a JAG.  

Like most of our supposed "best players", he's far more fan-hype-hot-air that anything resembling great play on the field.

He's Mims but on Defense.

This is why I want to draft offense.  How many years did we draft defensive players who were overrated.  Quinnen, Leonard Williams, Sheldon Richardson, Darren Lee, Calvin Pryor, Milliner, Coples, Kyle Wilson, Gholston.   Yuck!

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remember when everyone got so upset that it was proposed trading QW for Watson?  the board nearly had a meltdown!  i'd still go back to trade this sack of potatoes for watson, even with the accusations levied against him.  

maybe it's time for the jets to stop drafting defensive linemen.  QW, Leo, Sheldon, Wilkerson - all high draft picks and are total losers.

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I was at a Jet thing sitting next to Bob Wischusen right after the Jets signed Mo Wilkinson to his big deal.   Told me at the time it was a huge mistake, said rushing the passer is the toughest thing to do on the field and requires maximum effort and a big heart.   He was right then and the same holds true many years later.  This defense has absolutely no heart and its led by the line which was supposed to be our strength.  Aside from the Titans game they have had zero impact.  They race in with ears pinned back time and time again even after its painfully obvious they were allowed in as set up for a screen.  They get zero pressure on the quarterback without blitzing.   Thought we had hired a fiery and smart defensive leader but that was clearly a false bill of sale.  With regard to Quinnen, no doubt he has a lot of talent but he has to be wondering what he got himself into here because his coaching at Alabama had to have been ight years better than anything he has seen in the pros.      

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2 hours ago, DonCorleone said:

It is probably because Saleh is trying to mold players to fit his "System" rather than a system who fits the player.

Brian Costello

NY Post

Defensive tackle Quinnen Williams is one of the Jets’ top players. It is hard to debate that. But unlike some of his teammates, he plays fewer than two-thirds of the defensive snaps.

Why?
Williams has played 62 percent (346 snaps) of the Jets’ defensive plays this season. It would seem smart for that number to be at 80 or 90 percent, since Williams is an impactful player, but head coach Robert Saleh believes in a heavy rotation along the defensive line because of what he is asking in his scheme. Defensive linemen are asked to penetrate and get in the backfield on every down in Saleh’s system, unlike two-gap systems, in which linemen read and react more.

“The objective really for the entire D-line is to not have any of them play more than 40 snaps in a game. That’s the goal,” Saleh said before the Jets face the Bills on Sunday at MetLife Stadium. “The amount of strain we ask from play-to-play, if you are able to play 90 percent, to us, and everyone’s different, but the 3-4 teams can because they’re more gap controlled, stay on the line of scrimmage.

“We ask so much out of our D-line that if you can go four plays in a row or play 90 percent, then you’re probably BS’ing on the football field, in our mind and you’re not executing the technique as it’s designed.”

The Jets’ interior defensive line got roasted last week against the Colts, but has been one of the team’s strengths this season. Williams has gotten the most snaps at 62 percent, but he has remained around Saleh’s goal of 40 snaps a game for most of the year. He had 59 snaps against the Titans, but that was because of Derrick Henry and the focus on stopping the run in that game. He played 50 snaps against the Falcons and in the second Patriots game. In every other game he was right near 40 snaps or below.

The other defensive linemen have also been rotational. Folorunso Fatukasi has played 56 percent of the snaps. Sheldon Rankins is at 54 percent. Nathan Shepherd is at 35 percent.

“Quinnen is a phenomenal football player, but we also think Sheldon Rankins is a phenomenal football player,” Saleh said. “We love Foley (Folorunso Fatukasi), we love Shep (Nathan Shepherd), so there’s a really cool four-man rotation, really deep four-man rotation and on the interior. The objective is to keep those guys as fresh as possible, especially when you get to those two-minute situations at the end of half, at the end of game, so they can give you everything they got. Four straight shots and get off the field.”

 

And Saleh is a joke.

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1 hour ago, FactsOnly said:

Another bust DLineman, the same gimmick the Jets have been pushing for the past 10 years

but @doitnywants to go all defense and give Clown Salad the keys

 

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laugh all you want, the joke will be on you when we draft all defense.

this defense is on its way to being the worst defense in the history of the NFL. your crazy to think were going to draft some Center or Guard in the 1st rd.

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Well if our defensive strategy is to only play each linemen 40 snaps/game, I hope we won’t be using a lot of resources in terms of high draft picks and contract extensions on those players. Seems a waste to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick, or grant a large contract, to players who are just part of a rotation and sit on the bench that much.
 

Hope Douglas and Saleh are on the same page with this. 

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