DonCorleone Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 It is probably because Saleh is trying to mold players to fit his "System" rather than a system who fits the player. Brian Costello NY Post Defensive tackle Quinnen Williams is one of the Jets’ top players. It is hard to debate that. But unlike some of his teammates, he plays fewer than two-thirds of the defensive snaps. Why? Williams has played 62 percent (346 snaps) of the Jets’ defensive plays this season. It would seem smart for that number to be at 80 or 90 percent, since Williams is an impactful player, but head coach Robert Saleh believes in a heavy rotation along the defensive line because of what he is asking in his scheme. Defensive linemen are asked to penetrate and get in the backfield on every down in Saleh’s system, unlike two-gap systems, in which linemen read and react more. “The objective really for the entire D-line is to not have any of them play more than 40 snaps in a game. That’s the goal,” Saleh said before the Jets face the Bills on Sunday at MetLife Stadium. “The amount of strain we ask from play-to-play, if you are able to play 90 percent, to us, and everyone’s different, but the 3-4 teams can because they’re more gap controlled, stay on the line of scrimmage. “We ask so much out of our D-line that if you can go four plays in a row or play 90 percent, then you’re probably BS’ing on the football field, in our mind and you’re not executing the technique as it’s designed.” The Jets’ interior defensive line got roasted last week against the Colts, but has been one of the team’s strengths this season. Williams has gotten the most snaps at 62 percent, but he has remained around Saleh’s goal of 40 snaps a game for most of the year. He had 59 snaps against the Titans, but that was because of Derrick Henry and the focus on stopping the run in that game. He played 50 snaps against the Falcons and in the second Patriots game. In every other game he was right near 40 snaps or below. The other defensive linemen have also been rotational. Folorunso Fatukasi has played 56 percent of the snaps. Sheldon Rankins is at 54 percent. Nathan Shepherd is at 35 percent. “Quinnen is a phenomenal football player, but we also think Sheldon Rankins is a phenomenal football player,” Saleh said. “We love Foley (Folorunso Fatukasi), we love Shep (Nathan Shepherd), so there’s a really cool four-man rotation, really deep four-man rotation and on the interior. The objective is to keep those guys as fresh as possible, especially when you get to those two-minute situations at the end of half, at the end of game, so they can give you everything they got. Four straight shots and get off the field.” 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post munchmemory Posted November 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2021 "Defensive tackle Quinnen Williams is one of the Jets’ top players. It is hard to debate that..." Exactly why we are, once again, heading deeper into the ditch. For some odd reason, this franchise continues to accept mediocrity-minus as its gold standard. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 This is really making something out of nothing. DL is the one area we have quality depth. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just now, More Cowbell said: This is really making something out of nothing. DL is the one area we have quality depth. Do you think that in this 3 game stretch Quinnen has played well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oatmeal Posted November 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: This is really making something out of nothing. DL is the one area we have quality depth. It’s not really, Q has been one of the few consistent players and a budding star around the league (remember Houston wanted him) As we can see on offense this staff refuses to adjust on the fly, So now Q, JFM etc, take the heat for the terrible coaching . Remember how Saleh reacted to Mosley changing a play? This is a clown show of epic proportion 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Q is a victim of his draft position. He’d have to be Aaron Donald to live up to where he was drafted - never gonna happen 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freestater Posted November 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2021 Q is the least of our problems. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, DonCorleone said: Do you think that in this 3 game stretch Quinnen has played well? Everyone who is not an elite talent has stretches like this, especially when you are in a rotation like this. We are getting into Leo territory now expecting this guy to wreck every O he plays against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 In fairness nobody on defense has played well. And who trusts these coaches to put players in the best position to succeed esp. on defense? The one thing the jets did right last year was stop the run, and somehow, with the same DL, these coaches took the same guys and made them suck. Could each guy play better, yes. At least Q has 5 sacks in 9 games, which is not bad. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe W. Namath Posted November 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2021 Quinnen is an ok player. Hes not a star, hes not a pro bowler. He is a huge disappointment relative to where he was drafted. 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 What happened to JFM 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Hey Costello, now do JFM…. If you can find him behind his bags of money. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: What happened to JFM Just said the same thing before I saw your reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: What happened to JFM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Everyone who is not an elite talent has stretches like this, especially when you are in a rotation like this. We are getting into Leo territory now expecting this guy to wreck every O he plays against. 3 games is a lot also, I am blaming Saleh for most of that, not Quinnen. Read the original post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Quinnen Williams has all but disappeared If this was a Jeopardy answer my response would be: "What is something that will never be said about Crusher?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Nicco Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 I think he means JFM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: What happened to JFM who ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted November 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2021 QW is a JAG. Like most of our supposed "best players", he's far more fan-hype-hot-air that anything resembling great play on the field. He's Mims but on Defense. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Warfish said: QW is a JAG. Like most of our supposed "best players", he's far more fan-hype-hot-air that anything resembling great play on the field. He's Mims but on Defense. This is why I want to draft offense. How many years did we draft defensive players who were overrated. Quinnen, Leonard Williams, Sheldon Richardson, Darren Lee, Calvin Pryor, Milliner, Coples, Kyle Wilson, Gholston. Yuck! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 remember when everyone got so upset that it was proposed trading QW for Watson? the board nearly had a meltdown! i'd still go back to trade this sack of potatoes for watson, even with the accusations levied against him. maybe it's time for the jets to stop drafting defensive linemen. QW, Leo, Sheldon, Wilkerson - all high draft picks and are total losers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 We were told Q Williams would be a beast in a 4-3 scheme. Yeah, it's not happening. Maybe the foot injury is still affecting him? He looks like a shell of the player he was last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted November 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, munchmemory said: "Defensive tackle Quinnen Williams is one of the Jets’ top players. It is hard to debate that..." Exactly why we are, once again, heading deeper into the ditch. For some odd reason, this franchise continues to accept mediocrity-minus as its gold standard. Can't wait to trade him for a 3rd rounder and draft the same guy with a top 10 pick. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: What happened to JFM Exactly my thoughts ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy and the Jets Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 I was at a Jet thing sitting next to Bob Wischusen right after the Jets signed Mo Wilkinson to his big deal. Told me at the time it was a huge mistake, said rushing the passer is the toughest thing to do on the field and requires maximum effort and a big heart. He was right then and the same holds true many years later. This defense has absolutely no heart and its led by the line which was supposed to be our strength. Aside from the Titans game they have had zero impact. They race in with ears pinned back time and time again even after its painfully obvious they were allowed in as set up for a screen. They get zero pressure on the quarterback without blitzing. Thought we had hired a fiery and smart defensive leader but that was clearly a false bill of sale. With regard to Quinnen, no doubt he has a lot of talent but he has to be wondering what he got himself into here because his coaching at Alabama had to have been ight years better than anything he has seen in the pros. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TuscanyTile2 Posted November 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: What happened to JFM John Franklin MoWilkerson 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, DonCorleone said: It is probably because Saleh is trying to mold players to fit his "System" rather than a system who fits the player. Brian Costello NY Post Defensive tackle Quinnen Williams is one of the Jets’ top players. It is hard to debate that. But unlike some of his teammates, he plays fewer than two-thirds of the defensive snaps. Why? Williams has played 62 percent (346 snaps) of the Jets’ defensive plays this season. It would seem smart for that number to be at 80 or 90 percent, since Williams is an impactful player, but head coach Robert Saleh believes in a heavy rotation along the defensive line because of what he is asking in his scheme. Defensive linemen are asked to penetrate and get in the backfield on every down in Saleh’s system, unlike two-gap systems, in which linemen read and react more. “The objective really for the entire D-line is to not have any of them play more than 40 snaps in a game. That’s the goal,” Saleh said before the Jets face the Bills on Sunday at MetLife Stadium. “The amount of strain we ask from play-to-play, if you are able to play 90 percent, to us, and everyone’s different, but the 3-4 teams can because they’re more gap controlled, stay on the line of scrimmage. “We ask so much out of our D-line that if you can go four plays in a row or play 90 percent, then you’re probably BS’ing on the football field, in our mind and you’re not executing the technique as it’s designed.” The Jets’ interior defensive line got roasted last week against the Colts, but has been one of the team’s strengths this season. Williams has gotten the most snaps at 62 percent, but he has remained around Saleh’s goal of 40 snaps a game for most of the year. He had 59 snaps against the Titans, but that was because of Derrick Henry and the focus on stopping the run in that game. He played 50 snaps against the Falcons and in the second Patriots game. In every other game he was right near 40 snaps or below. The other defensive linemen have also been rotational. Folorunso Fatukasi has played 56 percent of the snaps. Sheldon Rankins is at 54 percent. Nathan Shepherd is at 35 percent. “Quinnen is a phenomenal football player, but we also think Sheldon Rankins is a phenomenal football player,” Saleh said. “We love Foley (Folorunso Fatukasi), we love Shep (Nathan Shepherd), so there’s a really cool four-man rotation, really deep four-man rotation and on the interior. The objective is to keep those guys as fresh as possible, especially when you get to those two-minute situations at the end of half, at the end of game, so they can give you everything they got. Four straight shots and get off the field.” And Saleh is a joke. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Another bust DLineman, the same gimmick the Jets have been pushing for the past 10 years but @doitnywants to go all defense and give Clown Salad the keys 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, freestater said: Q is the least of our problems. A top 3 bust of a pick Defensive Lineman is exactly why the Jets are in this situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, kevinc855 said: What happened to JFM He got paid and has Saleh's staff putting him in the wrong position to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, FactsOnly said: Another bust DLineman, the same gimmick the Jets have been pushing for the past 10 years but @doitnywants to go all defense and give Clown Salad the keys laugh all you want, the joke will be on you when we draft all defense. this defense is on its way to being the worst defense in the history of the NFL. your crazy to think were going to draft some Center or Guard in the 1st rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just Q? Everybody on the defense has disappeared 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Quinnen Williams has all but disappeared If this was a Jeopardy answer my response would be: "What is something that will never be said about Crusher?" To be fair nobody has asked yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Warfish said: QW is a JAG. Like most of our supposed "best players", he's far more fan-hype-hot-air that anything resembling great play on the field. He's Mims but on Defense. OUCH, but still correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Well if our defensive strategy is to only play each linemen 40 snaps/game, I hope we won’t be using a lot of resources in terms of high draft picks and contract extensions on those players. Seems a waste to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick, or grant a large contract, to players who are just part of a rotation and sit on the bench that much. Hope Douglas and Saleh are on the same page with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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