Pauline: Jets thirsty for Trevor Penning at 10.

[BurnleyJet]

I’d take him just not at 10, why pick a tackle unless you think Becton is done?

We have to many holes to take one at 10, especially one that’s likely to be there 10 picks later.

[T0mShane]

8 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Brandon Shell = ok I just wanted to see if you were still reading this.

I *always* read through your posts, even if I have to freebase extra Ritalin to do it. You always say interesting things. 
 

Personally, I’d imagine your scenario is the most likely one to play out. As @derp mentioned, Douglas is a fairly conservative GM and tossing Becton after two years would be a dramatic move. That said, I can also imagine a scenario where Saleh wants to clean up his locker room and starts with Becton and Mims, and Douglas (as Pauline suggests) falls in love with Penning, and concocts a way out of his 2020 disaster of a draft. Becton just posted some professional pictures on his Instagram where he’s posing in side viewwearing a white Henley and he looks like a giant melted candle. If you game it out, I think trading Becton somewhere and bringing back a flashy wideout would be counted as a huge win among Jets fans and the media at large, while clearing the decks of a potentially huge train wreck if/when Becton sucks or gets injured again. As an aside, I was just listening to the Daniel Jeremiah podcast and he was talking about the Seahawks trading DK Metcalf somewhere as though it was a possibility that absolutely exists (if not inevitable). The Seahawks projected starter at LT is someone named a Stone Forsythe. Doesn’t the thought of flipping Becton for DK Metcalf and making Jamal Adams suffer all the more excite you? 

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

2 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

I’d take him just not at 10, why pick a tackle unless you think Becton is done?

We have to many holes to take one at 10, especially one that’s likely to be there 10 picks later.

Because Fant is only under contract for one more year and they may not want to pay him what he’s going command.  And as someone on the radio recently pointed out, the Jets are one injury away from Connor McDermott being their starting OT - the Jets can still like Becton as a player but also have concerns about his durability track record.

[Untouchable]

2 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

I’d take him just not at 10, why pick a tackle unless you think Becton is done?

We have to many holes to take one at 10, especially one that’s likely to be there 10 picks later.

Agreed

Doesn’t make any sense unless you’re moving on from Becton.

You don’t draft an OL in the Top 10 to ride the bench for a year and serve as a backup swing tackle.

If you’re keeping Becton and Fant, then take a developmental OT in the 3rd round like Waletzko or somebody.

EDGE and WR should be the picks in Round 1 unless Hutchinson, Thibodeaux and Walker all go in the Top 3. In that case, take Gardner at #4 and then either a wideout like Wilson at #10 or one of the 2nd tier edgerushers like Karlaftis or Johnson.

[NIGHT STALKER]

11 hours ago, CanadaSteve said:

And all I am suggesting that I disagree with Mandarich.  Not thinking I took anything out of context.

Ok, and I disagree with saying that Becton could be Ogden...convo over.

[CanadaSteve]

29 minutes ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

Ok, and I disagree with saying that Becton could be Ogden...convo over.

Excellent.  I didn't agree with that either. All is good.

[Spoot-Face]

11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Hey, don't look at me; I'm not the one advocating they use a top 10 pick (let alone top 4) on yet another LT for the team, not to mention the 3rd OL drafted in round 1 in as many years. I think there are better uses for the pick, including trading it. 

Oh, I know. Your post just inspired me to think out loud and share my thoughts. Our thoughts seem to be pretty aligned.

[doitny]

2 hours ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

Because Fant is only under contract for one more year and they may not want to pay him what he’s going command.  And as someone on the radio recently pointed out, the Jets are one injury away from Connor McDermott being their starting OT - the Jets can still like Becton as a player but also have concerns about his durability track record.

well then worry about Fant next year then. theres another draft for you to fall in love with another Tackle.

your worried about us being an injury away from McDermont but not being a injury away from Mims starting? from what i seen last year im more concerned with Mims starting.

or that Lawson is coming off an ACL and JFM only had 6 sacks. 

i get what your saying but you can get insurance for Becton in the mid rds. 

[playtowinthegame]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Becton just posted some professional pictures on his Instagram where he’s posing in side viewwearing a white Henley and he looks like a giant melted candle. If you game it out, I think trading Becton somewhere and bringing back a flashy wideout would be counted as a huge win among Jets fans and the media at large, while clearing the decks of a potentially huge train wreck if/when Becton sucks or gets injured again. As an aside, I was just listening to the Daniel Jeremiah podcast and he was talking about the Seahawks trading DK Metcalf somewhere as though it was a possibility that absolutely exists (if not inevitable). The Seahawks projected starter at LT is someone named a Stone Forsythe. Doesn’t the thought of flipping Becton for DK Metcalf and making Jamal Adams suffer all the more excite you? 

Pete Carroll could greet Becton in Seattle by lifting his shirt up and doing the truffle shuffle. 

[T0mShane]

Becton and #4 for DK and #9. Who says no?

[Integrity28]

2 hours ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

Because Fant is only under contract for one more year and they may not want to pay him what he’s going command.  And as someone on the radio recently pointed out, the Jets are one injury away from Connor McDermott being their starting OT - the Jets can still like Becton as a player but also have concerns about his durability track record.

This.

Given that Fant is in a short contract and Becton is a question mark. I see OT as a top tier need. It just so happens there are a lot of good ones in this class, so it’s stupid not to take one.

It is not doctrine that all 1st rounders  must be day 1 starters, which I think informs a lot of thinking on JN.

You have to lean into the strength of the draft class. OT, Edge and WR. Just so happens that’s ideal for us.

[Integrity28]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Becton and #4 for DK and #9. Who says no?

The Seahawks. 

I do think there’s substance to this, but Becton’s value is lower.

[More Cowbell]

On 4/9/2022 at 10:54 AM, T0mShane said:

“Penning could come off the board as early as No. 10 to the New York Jets. I’ve been reporting since the Senior Bowl that Penning is a favorite of general manager Joe Douglas. As we spoke about during last week’s edition of the Draft Insiders, the saga with Mekhi Becton continues.

Jets coaches have confided to several players the team will go offensive tackle early in the draft. Whether early means the fourth selection, 10th pick, or the top of Round 2, I cannot tell at this point.”

When was the last time a GM leaked who he wanted outside of the first or second overall pick?

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

The Seahawks. 

I do think there’s substance to this, but Becton’s value is lower.

Probably. Thought it might be attenuated by the fact the Jets have to turn around and give DK $100 million dollars in cash, but then I remembered what the Dolphins coughed up for Tyreek.

[derp]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I *always* read through your posts, even if I have to freebase extra Ritalin to do it. You always say interesting things. 
 

Personally, I’d imagine your scenario is the most likely one to play out. As @derp mentioned, Douglas is a fairly conservative GM and tossing Becton after two years would be a dramatic move. That said, I can also imagine a scenario where Saleh wants to clean up his locker room and starts with Becton and Mims, and Douglas (as Pauline suggests) falls in love with Penning, and concocts a way out of his 2020 disaster of a draft. Becton just posted some professional pictures on his Instagram where he’s posing in side viewwearing a white Henley and he looks like a giant melted candle. If you game it out, I think trading Becton somewhere and bringing back a flashy wideout would be counted as a huge win among Jets fans and the media at large, while clearing the decks of a potentially huge train wreck if/when Becton sucks or gets injured again. As an aside, I was just listening to the Daniel Jeremiah podcast and he was talking about the Seahawks trading DK Metcalf somewhere as though it was a possibility that absolutely exists (if not inevitable). The Seahawks projected starter at LT is someone named a Stone Forsythe. Doesn’t the thought of flipping Becton for DK Metcalf and making Jamal Adams suffer all the more excite you? 

I would clarify that my position is more Douglas being pragmatic than conservative, and that sticking an FCS tackle at a new position in front of a young quarterback is behind risky, it’s reckless. And I think we’ll agree the team is bad enough that you can’t potentially redshirt the tenth pick. 

Kind of as I said before, if you’ve got two risky options - and I still think Becton who’s played well at the NFL level is less risky than a FCS guy moving from LT to RT - then absent one option being clearly less risky (which is a matter of opinion, but they’re both clearly risky) cost comes into play. And you’re getting less than the tenth pick for Becton, so Penning needs to be clearly less risky to spend more capital on him, and I think that’s a tough sell.

The other thing we haven’t discussed is - if they wanted to flip Becton, the obvious approach would’ve been to sign a veteran tackle. Ideally bringing back Moses who was cheap and positive and just moving on from Becton quickly, but if not him then someone comparable. Much more logical with a young QB.

I could very much see a trade down in the second or a third round pick spent on someone like Abraham Lucas and letting him compete for the starting RT spot and provide depth. It’s appropriate capital for the position, an insurance policy, fits all the long term tackle uncertainty scenarios, and Douglas was with the Eagles when the Andre Dillard pick was made out of Washington State and they both hit the short shuttle threshold. That’d still be rich for the taste of some but in that area of the draft I think you can take a maybe backup, and I don’t think you can take a maybe backup at 10 when the team is as bad as it is.

The one counter to my argument I’ll give is that moving Becton if they think he’s done and taking Penning would maybe be akin to moving Darnold and taking Wilson. The big difference there is you can’t find a capable starting QB in FA for $5M a year if you don’t like Darnold, and you can do that at RT. Plus contract timing etc. And he really needs to make sure Wilson succeeds, I don’t think Penning assures that like an affordable veteran RT does. It’s just clearly bad asset management.

[BurntDice]

On 4/9/2022 at 11:02 AM, T0mShane said:

Just not seeing how spreading info about possibly using pick 10 on the fourth OT is beneficial to the Jets, though.

Pauline is constantly wrong. Look at what he was saying last year regarding the draft and fa. Don’t think he was right about anything except Zach which seemed like the consensus. Look at fa this year. He didn’t get anything right yet again. This dude has no sources left and just throws sh*t at the wall hoping it sticks 

[Spoot-Face]

55 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Becton and #4 for DK and #9. Who says no?

I'd do it, and I'm not even a Becton detractor.

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

1 hour ago, doitny said:

well then worry about Fant next year then. theres another draft for you to fall in love with another Tackle.

your worried about us being an injury away from McDermont but not being a injury away from Mims starting? from what i seen last year im more concerned with Mims starting.

or that Lawson is coming off an ACL and JFM only had 6 sacks. 

i get what your saying but you can get insurance for Becton in the mid rds. 

You don’t worry about OT next year if you think the BPA on your board at 4 or 10 is an OT who you view as a ten year starter.  OT is too valuable of a position to punt it to the next year with the assumption that there will be as good of a player available to you.  Good GMs don’t just draft for the upcoming season - they draft for the futite.

[varjet]

Filling your tackle vacancy in FA is always a challenge.  So if we think we are going to have one in 2023, we need to deal with it now.  I think if you match up Penning to prior drafts you see a player getting picked 25-50.  JD would be very thirsty for him at 35, or even 20-25, but not so much 10.  

Look at the good teams like GB and KC, for example.   They get first round draft picks too.  They need WRs.    The Jets cannot reasonably expect a good WR who can play in 2022 to last until 35.  Maybe someone you develop for 2023, but not for 2022.  

Penning could drop to 35, as could perhaps one of the Gs/Cs.  The Jets also need a C for 2022, unless CM gets extended.   Fant can be franchised, CM cannot.  There are always FA C available, but they usually do not want to sign with the Jets.  

Our second string C/G should be guys who can step in in 2023.  That is not Feeney or GVR.  Same thing with the second string T.  That is not McDermott.  

[bitonti]

On 4/9/2022 at 2:41 PM, Spoot-Face said:

Fant being the odd man out and getting traded would certainly be a choice, and not one I would expect.  

if George Fant was part of the team's long-term plans, he'd be signed by now 

they have all this cap space they've been saving for Tyreek Hill or whatever

they could just move it to Fant, front load the deal and have this amazing tackle locked in for 3 years or whatever

the fact they haven't done that already tells us all we need to know about what the Jets think of George Fant 

[jetstream23]

On 4/9/2022 at 7:54 AM, T0mShane said:

“Penning could come off the board as early as No. 10 to the New York Jets. I’ve been reporting since the Senior Bowl that Penning is a favorite of general manager Joe Douglas. As we spoke about during last week’s edition of the Draft Insiders, the saga with Mekhi Becton continues.

Jets coaches have confided to several players the team will go offensive tackle early in the draft. Whether early means the fourth selection, 10th pick, or the top of Round 2, I cannot tell at this point.”

If this is true I'd MUCH rather they just go Ikem at #4 and then move on to the rest of the Draft.  If OT is seriously on their needs like, which I've said I think it is for a while, then just get the best guy in the Draft if both Hutch and Thibs are gone at #4.

 

On 4/9/2022 at 7:55 AM, Mark78 said:

Season of misinformation 

100% but there's a bit of truth in everything.

[Spoot-Face]

39 minutes ago, bitonti said:

if George Fant was part of the team's long-term plans, he'd be signed by now 

they have all this cap space they've been saving for Tyreek Hill or whatever

they could just move it to Fant, front load the deal and have this amazing tackle locked in for 3 years or whatever

the fact they haven't done that already tells us all we need to know about what the Jets think of George Fant 

Even if Fant isn't in their long term plans, which I wouldn't be shocked if he isn't, I still don't think drafting an OT in the first round is the best use of resources, unless they're also trading Becton. Even if the idea is going into the season with a rookie starting at LT, Becton at RT, and Fant as a pretty good swing tackle, I have to question whether having three high 1st round draft picks on the line is a good money sink when it comes time to pay them.

I'd say if this team was already in good shape talent wise, and didn't have massive holes in other parts of the roster, then maybe it might be worth it to shore up the OL, but, alas, this team isn't.

Besides, JD's forte is supposed to be the OL. He should be able to field a good enough OL without drafting a 1st round player for every position.

[GreenFish]

On 4/9/2022 at 9:59 AM, T0mShane said:

Hughes made an interesting comment on his podcast a few weeks ago when answering a question about possibly acquiring JC Tretter. He said the Jets were looking to get “nastier” up front and Douglas and/or Saleh felt like they had some soft guys playing along the OL. Not that Becton has the rep of being soft, but the one thing you read about Penning is that he’s a savage. Feels like they should try to flip Becton for picks and stop hoping he matures, especially if you’re in a position to replace him with a high-level player who’s ready to go to war with you.

If the Jets are trying to get nastier upfront, wouldn't Becton be part of the solution? He’s the nastiest OL player we have. Now, if they have concerns about availability, that’s a different issue.

I’ve heard this nasty concern from beat writers as well. Wonder who they are talking about? Fant seems like the softest guy we have. Maybe GVR but we have already replaced his spot.

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said:

Even if the idea is going into the season with a rookie starting at LT, Becton at RT, and Fant as a pretty good swing tackle

That's exactly the idea

possibly giving Fant a haircut, trading him or cutting him after June 1 to save 10 million. 

Is it what you or I would do? Doesn't matter. It's JD all over. 

put it another way, if they DID gave George Fant that extension it would be the biggest extension JD ever gave out to a Jets player currently under contract 

1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said:

 Besides, JD's forte is supposed to be the OL. He should be able to field a good enough OL without drafting a 1st round player for every position.

Saleh is supposed to be a defensive specialist, he should be able to stock a defense with 4-3 players using mid-to-late round picks and smart FA pickups 

 

 

[Tranquilo]

16 minutes ago, bitonti said:

That's exactly the idea

possibly giving Fant a haircut, trading him or cutting him after June 1 to save 10 million. 

Is it what you or I would do? Doesn't matter. It's JD all over. 

put it another way, if they DID gave George Fant that extension it would be the biggest extension JD ever gave out to a Jets player currently under contract 

Saleh is supposed to be a defensive specialist, he should be able to stock a defense with 4-3 players using mid-to-late round picks and smart FA pickups 

 

 

Again, who deserves or deserved it? And please don’t insult our intelligence with a kicker 

[Spoot-Face]

13 minutes ago, bitonti said:

put it another way, if they DID gave George Fant that extension it would be the biggest extension JD ever gave out to a Jets player currently under contract

Well, if they believed Fant could hold down the LT spot for 2-3 more years until either Becton takes it back, or we draft a replacement (high pick or late development), then that's not a bad place to spend your money. And then I'd believe the contract would be front loaded and structured that we're not stuck with an aging, ineffective, expensive backup after 2 years.

Then again, maybe their belief in Becton taking back the LT spot is why they haven't extended Fant.

18 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Saleh is supposed to be a defensive specialist, he should be able to stock a defense with 4-3 players using mid-to-late round picks and smart FA pickups

That's hardly a counter point. There are 5 total positions on the OL, of which 2 are 1st round selections.

Compare that to 11 positions on defense, and how many are the first round selections? One? Quinnen Williams -- not even drafted by this regime.

[Jet Nut]

13 hours ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

The Jets have zero tackles under contract past this season. There's no secret deal. There's no convoluted ploy to trade down. It's exactly what it looks like.

You might want to check this, it’s not true

[rangerous]

i'm not convinced they're going to trade becton or otherwise replace him with another highly drafted tackle.  of course i don't see this team up close so i have no idea if becton is going to be part of it's plans going forward.  i can see them drafting a tackle after the first round mainly for depth and keeping that oline full of talented players.  this is fant's last year and he might just want too much to stay.

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

if George Fant was part of the team's long-term plans, he'd be signed by now 

they have all this cap space they've been saving for Tyreek Hill or whatever

they could just move it to Fant, front load the deal and have this amazing tackle locked in for 3 years or whatever

the fact they haven't done that already tells us all we need to know about what the Jets think of George Fant 

On the other hand, the Jets are ******* trash and have the worst roster in football.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, GreenFish said:

If the Jets are trying to get nastier upfront, wouldn't Becton be part of the solution? He’s the nastiest OL player we have. Now, if they have concerns about availability, that’s a different issue.

I’ve heard this nasty concern from beat writers as well. Wonder who they are talking about? Fant seems like the softest guy we have. Maybe GVR but we have already replaced his spot.

Is Fant a mauler? No. Did Fant take the season off to play GTA V? Also no.

[Spoot-Face]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Is Fant a mauler? No. Did Fant take the season off to play GTA V? Also no.

If Fant did take time off to game, he'd play something more cerebral like Hearts of Iron IV or Anno 1800.

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Tranquilo said:

Again, who deserves or deserved it? And please don’t insult our intelligence with a kicker 

If you read this thread, George Fant, apparently. 

Currently QW deserves the bag. I don't care how many years they have him under control. Sign him before he makes Pro Bowls and prices his way higher 

[slimjasi]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Becton and #4 for DK and #9. Who says no?

I'd do it. 

I also don't think the Seahawks are getting a better deal than that, but maybe that's wrong 

 

[genot]

6 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

This.

Given that Fant is in a short contract and Becton is a question mark. I see OT as a top tier need. It just so happens there are a lot of good ones in this class, so it’s stupid not to take one.

It is not doctrine that all 1st rounders  must be day 1 starters, which I think informs a lot of thinking on JN.

You have to lean into the strength of the draft class. OT, Edge and WR. Just so happens that’s ideal for us.

We should have told Moses it was his job to lose. 

[T0mShane]

41 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Currently QW deserves the bag. I don't care how many years they have him under control. Sign him before he makes Pro Bowls and prices his way higher 

And who doesn’t want a lesser Leonard Williams?