Lamar Jackson talk is completely triggering me

[Lith]

4 minutes ago, King P said:

What if Baltimore hits him with the non exclusive tag and he can sign with a team instead of being traded?

If they use the non-exclusive tag, and he signs with another team, Ravens would get two 1s if they don't match the offer.

[Sammybighead]

5 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

If you're Derek Carr's agent and you know how desperate the Jets are for a QB, are you only going to ask for 3 seasons?  You might think "well, we can just cut him after 3 seasons and we're off the hook".  But that's why he's going to demand a ton of guaranteed money.

Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year.

If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year.

If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb.

I'm assuming he'll be cut.

As far as average QB play, I hear you but I also want us to win a SB.  I hate the idea of locking into a QB for the long-term who is not "the guy".  

[Tranquilo]

6 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

when your talking about an average of 2800 yards a year for Lamar and good passers are hitting 4500 and great passers 5000 plus do I really need to explain ?

The Ravens run A LOT and he also makes up for it with his running

[pointman]

7 hours ago, johnnysd said:

I did not say I wanted Carr just that he is a better option than Lamar.

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40 minutes ago, football guy said:

We were also the odds on favorites to land Deshaun at one point. 

If Lamar is traded, the Atlanta Falcons would be the team who acquires him. Book it. 

I'm 100% sure Watson would be a Jet if it were not for the allegations. We had all the ammo to do it without sacrificing too much. He wanted to play for Saleh.

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39 minutes ago, King P said:

What if Baltimore hits him with the non exclusive tag and he can sign with a team instead of being traded?

You'd still have to trade 2 firsts for him

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32 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year.

If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb.

I'd be stunned if Carr allows a trade over hitting FA. I think 3 years $100m fully guaranteed gets it done.

[football guy]

8 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I'm 100% sure Watson would be a Jet if it were not for the allegations. We had all the ammo to do it without sacrificing too much. He wanted to play for Saleh.

They were never trading for Deshaun, and I’m talking pre-allegations. 

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13 minutes ago, football guy said:

They were never trading for Deshaun, and I’m talking pre-allegations. 

Hmm interesting, Asman has 2 sources in Houston saying otherwise but that it ended with the allegations.

[Sammybighead]

52 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I'm assuming he'll be cut.

As far as average QB play, I hear you but I also want us to win a SB.  I hate the idea of locking into a QB for the long-term who is not "the guy".  

I hear you. But we haven't found the guy for 50+ years. What gives you any confidence we'll find one soon enough so as not to waste sauce, GW, quinnen, breece, avt and the rest of our decent talent? 

If we can win while we continue to the search for a qb over the next couple years, isn't that worth it?

I'm sick of losing. It's enough. 10 years is plenty of time to wait for your team, we need better today. Not tomorrow. Today.

[Cbucco19]

20 minutes ago, football guy said:

They were never trading for Deshaun, and I’m talking pre-allegations. 

How about carr ? A lot of mutual interest rumors 

[Awesumtenor]

7 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

This is the post in referring to:

I disagree with Warfish in that he was a healthy scratch.

Was Lamar cleared to play? I just tried googling it but didn't get very far.

No; he wasn’t.

[King P]

2 hours ago, Lith said:

If they use the non-exclusive tag, and he signs with another team, Ravens would get two 1s if they don't match the offer.

I'm fully aware of that.

1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

You'd still have to trade 2 firsts for him

I know you'd have to give up 2 1st rounders. My point is that it's not a direct trade. Lamar would have to sign with a team first.

I brought it up because @football guy said he thinks if Lamar gets traded, that he land in ATL. I brought up the non exclusive tag because I'm essentially asking if he thinks Lamar would choose the Falcons over us if given the choice to pick his destination

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17 minutes ago, King P said:

I'm fully aware of that.

I know you'd have to give up 2 1st rounders. My point is that it's not a direct trade. Lamar would have to sign with a team first.

I brought it up because @football guy said he thinks if Lamar gets traded, that he land in ATL. I brought up the non exclusive tag because I'm essentially asking if he thinks Lamar would choose the Falcons over us if given the choice to pick his destination

Ah okk I gotcha. Yea I could see Atlanta being attractive. There is not good team in that division and he'd have Pitts to throw to.

[More Cowbell]

I just read the last page of this. I ignored this thread pretty much because I just think this is fiction. It would be so out of character for JD to burn up so much draft capital for a QB. I think he believes he can draft one or Zach will work out given time. What happens if he stays the course is he picks up a vet QB that shakes lose, probably Carr or Dalton. We might end up with another QB from this draft. I am still holding out hope we draft Hooker. 

[Dunnie]

... Just checking in to see if @Johnnysd is still triggered ? Or has he imploded completely as the indie talking heads like Assman are juicing this incredulous idea up ? My guess is that OC and QB are linked.

1. JD values draft capital

2. JD might still believe in Zach

3. JD believes in a balanced roster

4. JD knows Lamar will play 50% of the snaps he would get paid for.

5. JD never makes snap judgement calls.

6. JD has patience.

7. JD could give a **** about what this delusional minority thinks.

... 

... ... i knew all along ... it was derek carr ...  (michael corleone voice)

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Edited January 17, 2023 by Dunnie

[Rhg1084]

3 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

... Just checking in to see if @Johnnysd is still triggered ? Or has he imploded completely as the indie talking heads like Assman are juicing this incredulous idea up ?

1. JD values draft capital

2. JD might still believe in Zach

3. JD believes in a balanced roster

4. JD knows Lamar will play 50% of the snaps he would get paid for.

5. JD never makes snap judgement calls.

6. JD has patience.

7. JD could give a **** about what this delusional minority thinks.

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JD is gonna be all in and this year and try to make a big splash at QB position. His job is on the line here

[Sammybighead]

Lamar will be a jet

Some heads may implode as collateral damage

 

[Rhg1084]

This has picked up a ton of steam these last few days btw 

[Dunnie]

7 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

JD is gonna be all in and this year and try to make a big splash at QB position. His job is on the line here

I just think he knows that Lamar eating 1/4 of the cap is not the way to go. If its a HEAVILY incentivized deal based on availability ... maybe i guess.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Dunnie

[Dunnie]

6 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

This has picked up a ton of steam these last few days btw 

Yup - Hopefully JDs Cohones of Steel hold up.

[Charlie Brown]

28 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

This has picked up a ton of steam these last few days btw 

50 Million Guaranteed, crazy!!!

What has the guy won and he is now a running QB who is injury prone!

I laugh more than 80% of the folks out here said Lamar Jackson was never going to be any good.

While some of us said when he was coming out then he would good but not on the Jets and not with our fan base. 

Now some of the same folks who trashed Lamar before now say we should give him 50 Million Dollars  per year, when a good team who has designed a specific offense for him and surrounded him with talent is reluctant to pay him!

Maybe the Ravens who know Jackson best, know what they are doing and perhaps they know something we don’t!!

The dude turned down 48.5 Million Dollars!

[docdhc]

12 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year.

If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb.

Apparently he has a no trade clause so without guarantees he won’t accept a trade. He can force Raiders hand. 

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50 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

... Just checking in to see if @Johnnysd is still triggered ? Or has he imploded completely as the indie talking heads like Assman are juicing this incredulous idea up ? My guess is that OC and QB are linked.

1. JD values draft capital

2. JD might still believe in Zach

3. JD believes in a balanced roster

4. JD knows Lamar will play 50% of the snaps he would get paid for.

5. JD never makes snap judgement calls.

6. JD has patience.

7. JD could give a **** about what this delusional minority thinks.

... 

... ... i knew all along ... it was derek carr ...  (michael corleone voice)

...

JD has never had his back to the wall. I could see him spending money and picks in the future that he may not be here to use anyway. The mindset morphs when you get on the hot seat. 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

JD has never had his back to the wall. I could see him spending money and picks in the future that he may not be here to use anyway. The mindset morphs when you get on the hot seat. 

A lot of assumptions about a GM who hasn’t won anything. 

[Tranquilo]

Get Lamar, draft a sh*t load of linemen, if you can swing it, get Hopkins. This is the way.

Do you guys realize how unstoppable this offense would be with Lamar and Breece Hall? How the **** would anyone defend that sh*t

[Rhg1084]

3 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

Get Lamar, draft a sh*t load of linemen, if you can swing it, get Hopkins. This is the way.

Do you guys realize how unstoppable this offense would be with Lamar and Breece Hall? How the **** would anyone defend that sh*t

I agree it’d be a lot of fun to watch that offense

[oatmeal]

11 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

Hmm interesting, Asman has 2 sources in Houston saying otherwise but that it ended with the allegations.

Nah the fonts here know more, the same ones who were sooooooo sure that we were also keeping darnold. I believe Jake Asman 

[doitny]

54 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

... Just checking in to see if @Johnnysd is still triggered ? Or has he imploded completely as the indie talking heads like Assman are juicing this incredulous idea up ? My guess is that OC and QB are linked.

1. JD values draft capital

2. JD might still believe in Zach

3. JD believes in a balanced roster

4. JD knows Lamar will play 50% of the snaps he would get paid for.

5. JD never makes snap judgement calls.

6. JD has patience.

7. JD could give a **** about what this delusional minority thinks.

... 

... ... i knew all along ... it was derek carr ...  (michael corleone voice)

...

i prefer Carr over Lamar. Carr missed 2 games in 9 years. Lamar missed 12 games in 4 years. 

[Dcat]

18 hours ago, playtowinthegame said:

Year	Age	Tm	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	QBR	GWD
Care	Care		61	45-16-0	1055	1655	63.7	12209	101	38	96.7		1
2018	21	BAL	7	6-1-0	99	170	58.2	1201	6	3	84.5	42.6	1
2019*+	22	BAL	15	13-2-0	265	401	66.1	3127	36	6	113.3	83.0	2
2020	23	BAL	15	11-4-0	242	376	64.4	2757	26	9	99.3	67.3	1
2021*	24	BAL	12	7-5-0	246	382	64.4	2882	16	13	87.0	50.7	4
2022	25	BAL	12	8-4-0	203	326	62.3	2242	17	7	91.1	59.5	2

Lamar Jackson the past two seasons:
24 games played and 15-9 record as a starter
Total games missed: 10
5,124 yards passing
33 Touchdowns and 20 Interceptions

These past two seasons Lamar Jackson appears to be trending down. I can see why the Ravens are not so quick to give in to his contract demands. Now let's compare that to Derek Carr for the same past two seasons.

 

Year	Age	Tm	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	QBR	GWD
Care	Care		142	63-79-0	3201	4958	64.6	35222	217	99	91.8		33
2014	23	OAK	16	3-13-0	348	599	58.1	3270	21	12	76.6	42.1	1
2015*	24	OAK	16	7-9-0	350	573	61.1	3987	32	13	91.1	43.1	4
2016*	25	OAK	15	12-3-0	357	560	63.8	3937	28	6	96.7	56.1	7
2017*	26	OAK	15	6-9-0	323	515	62.7	3496	22	13	86.4	50.5	1
2018	27	OAK	16	4-12-0	381	553	68.9	4049	19	10	93.9	46.5	3
2019	28	OAK	16	7-9-0	361	513	70.4	4054	21	8	100.8	64.1	3
2020	29	LVR	16	8-8-0	348	517	67.3	4103	27	9	101.4	64.3	5
2021	30	LVR	17	10-7-0	428	626	68.4	4804	23	14	94.0	52.4	6
2022	31	LVR	15	6-9-0	305	502	60.8	3522	24	14	86.3	55.6	3

 

Derek Carr the past two seasons:
32 games played and 16-16 record as a starter
Total games missed: 0
8,326 yards passing
47 Touchdowns and 28 Interceptions

 

Give me Derek Carr for zero draft picks - or at worst one day three draft pick - instead of Lamar Jackson for a trade package to the Ravens similar to what the Broncos gave in to the Seahawks for Russell Wilson. 

I'm sorry, but the Lamar advocates refuse to accept any discussion about draft pick costs, Jackson's missing 1/3 of the games over the last 2 seasons (which is likely to increase given his playing style), and aversion to throwing to WRs.  

[Dcat]

12 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year.

If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb.

Carr has a no-trade clause.  He has to approve any trade and he won't do so until his new team gives him an expensive new deal. Trade or not, it doesn't matter.  Carr is getting a shiny new rich contract.

[Dunnie]

I'm sorry, but the Lamar advocates refuse to accept any discussion about draft pick costs, Jackson's missing 1/3 of the games over the last 2 seasons (which is likely to increase given his playing style), and aversion to throwing to WRs.  

Bingo

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[undertow]

53 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

Nah the fonts here know more, the same ones who were sooooooo sure that we were also keeping darnold. I believe Jake Asman 

You get your football information from Jake Asman and you are insulting other people? lmao  Plus you thought Zach WIlson was Patrick Mahomes a month ago calm down. 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Tranquilo said:

Get Lamar, draft a sh*t load of linemen, if you can swing it, get Hopkins. This is the way.

Do you guys realize how unstoppable this offense would be with Lamar and Breece Hall? How the **** would anyone defend that sh*t

Go all-in against the run, with a man (LB) assigned to Lamar, and orders to hit him as hard as possible every time he runs the ball. 

There would be little reason to respect the pass in that scenario.  Lamar is not a good passer.

Also "getting a sh*tload of linemen" is alot harder than you seem to think, JD has "just got" a ton so far, most of them suck, can;t stay on the field, or both.

Make no mistake, it would be better than the Wilson/White/Flacco poopshow we have now.  But the costs would be huge (in terms of prying him out from under Baltimore's likely Franchise Tag, and his salary cap ramifications).

So Lamar might mean not resigning QW, or Sauce/G.Wilson in a few years, or worse.

I want a QB too.  Lamar is too costly for the level of risk and specialized college-style offensive system and players needed to make it work.

Keep in mind, the league has started to figure out Lamar as well.  The Baltimore Offense has gone from #1 when he was a surprising 2nd year guy, to 7, 17 now 19 this year.  Lamar is not surprising anyone anymore.