Lith Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, King P said: What if Baltimore hits him with the non exclusive tag and he can sign with a team instead of being traded? If they use the non-exclusive tag, and he signs with another team, Ravens would get two 1s if they don't match the offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If you're Derek Carr's agent and you know how desperate the Jets are for a QB, are you only going to ask for 3 seasons? You might think "well, we can just cut him after 3 seasons and we're off the hook". But that's why he's going to demand a ton of guaranteed money. Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year. If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year. If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb. I'm assuming he'll be cut. As far as average QB play, I hear you but I also want us to win a SB. I hate the idea of locking into a QB for the long-term who is not "the guy". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Smashmouth said: when your talking about an average of 2800 yards a year for Lamar and good passers are hitting 4500 and great passers 5000 plus do I really need to explain ? The Ravens run A LOT and he also makes up for it with his running Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, johnnysd said: I did not say I wanted Carr just that he is a better option than Lamar. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, football guy said: We were also the odds on favorites to land Deshaun at one point. If Lamar is traded, the Atlanta Falcons would be the team who acquires him. Book it. I'm 100% sure Watson would be a Jet if it were not for the allegations. We had all the ammo to do it without sacrificing too much. He wanted to play for Saleh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 39 minutes ago, King P said: What if Baltimore hits him with the non exclusive tag and he can sign with a team instead of being traded? You'd still have to trade 2 firsts for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year. If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb. I'd be stunned if Carr allows a trade over hitting FA. I think 3 years $100m fully guaranteed gets it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I'm 100% sure Watson would be a Jet if it were not for the allegations. We had all the ammo to do it without sacrificing too much. He wanted to play for Saleh. They were never trading for Deshaun, and I’m talking pre-allegations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, football guy said: They were never trading for Deshaun, and I’m talking pre-allegations. Hmm interesting, Asman has 2 sources in Houston saying otherwise but that it ended with the allegations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 52 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I'm assuming he'll be cut. As far as average QB play, I hear you but I also want us to win a SB. I hate the idea of locking into a QB for the long-term who is not "the guy". I hear you. But we haven't found the guy for 50+ years. What gives you any confidence we'll find one soon enough so as not to waste sauce, GW, quinnen, breece, avt and the rest of our decent talent? If we can win while we continue to the search for a qb over the next couple years, isn't that worth it? I'm sick of losing. It's enough. 10 years is plenty of time to wait for your team, we need better today. Not tomorrow. Today. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, football guy said: They were never trading for Deshaun, and I’m talking pre-allegations. How about carr ? A lot of mutual interest rumors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesumtenor Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, bla bla bla said: This is the post in referring to: I disagree with Warfish in that he was a healthy scratch. Was Lamar cleared to play? I just tried googling it but didn't get very far. No; he wasn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Lith said: If they use the non-exclusive tag, and he signs with another team, Ravens would get two 1s if they don't match the offer. I'm fully aware of that. 1 hour ago, bla bla bla said: You'd still have to trade 2 firsts for him I know you'd have to give up 2 1st rounders. My point is that it's not a direct trade. Lamar would have to sign with a team first. I brought it up because @football guy said he thinks if Lamar gets traded, that he land in ATL. I brought up the non exclusive tag because I'm essentially asking if he thinks Lamar would choose the Falcons over us if given the choice to pick his destination 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, King P said: I'm fully aware of that. I know you'd have to give up 2 1st rounders. My point is that it's not a direct trade. Lamar would have to sign with a team first. I brought it up because @football guy said he thinks if Lamar gets traded, that he land in ATL. I brought up the non exclusive tag because I'm essentially asking if he thinks Lamar would choose the Falcons over us if given the choice to pick his destination Ah okk I gotcha. Yea I could see Atlanta being attractive. There is not good team in that division and he'd have Pitts to throw to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I just read the last page of this. I ignored this thread pretty much because I just think this is fiction. It would be so out of character for JD to burn up so much draft capital for a QB. I think he believes he can draft one or Zach will work out given time. What happens if he stays the course is he picks up a vet QB that shakes lose, probably Carr or Dalton. We might end up with another QB from this draft. I am still holding out hope we draft Hooker. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) ... Just checking in to see if @Johnnysd is still triggered ? Or has he imploded completely as the indie talking heads like Assman are juicing this incredulous idea up ? My guess is that OC and QB are linked. 1. JD values draft capital 2. JD might still believe in Zach 3. JD believes in a balanced roster 4. JD knows Lamar will play 50% of the snaps he would get paid for. 5. JD never makes snap judgement calls. 6. JD has patience. 7. JD could give a **** about what this delusional minority thinks. ... ... ... i knew all along ... it was derek carr ... (michael corleone voice) ... Edited January 17, 2023 by Dunnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dunnie said: ... Just checking in to see if @Johnnysd is still triggered ? Or has he imploded completely as the indie talking heads like Assman are juicing this incredulous idea up ? 1. JD values draft capital 2. JD might still believe in Zach 3. JD believes in a balanced roster 4. JD knows Lamar will play 50% of the snaps he would get paid for. 5. JD never makes snap judgement calls. 6. JD has patience. 7. JD could give a **** about what this delusional minority thinks. ... ... ... JD is gonna be all in and this year and try to make a big splash at QB position. His job is on the line here 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Lamar will be a jet Some heads may implode as collateral damage 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 This has picked up a ton of steam these last few days btw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: JD is gonna be all in and this year and try to make a big splash at QB position. His job is on the line here I just think he knows that Lamar eating 1/4 of the cap is not the way to go. If its a HEAVILY incentivized deal based on availability ... maybe i guess. Edited January 17, 2023 by Dunnie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: This has picked up a ton of steam these last few days btw Yup - Hopefully JDs Cohones of Steel hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: This has picked up a ton of steam these last few days btw 50 Million Guaranteed, crazy!!! What has the guy won and he is now a running QB who is injury prone! I laugh more than 80% of the folks out here said Lamar Jackson was never going to be any good. While some of us said when he was coming out then he would good but not on the Jets and not with our fan base. Now some of the same folks who trashed Lamar before now say we should give him 50 Million Dollars per year, when a good team who has designed a specific offense for him and surrounded him with talent is reluctant to pay him! Maybe the Ravens who know Jackson best, know what they are doing and perhaps they know something we don’t!! The dude turned down 48.5 Million Dollars! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 12 hours ago, Sammybighead said: Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year. If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb. Apparently he has a no trade clause so without guarantees he won’t accept a trade. He can force Raiders hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 50 minutes ago, Dunnie said: ... Just checking in to see if @Johnnysd is still triggered ? Or has he imploded completely as the indie talking heads like Assman are juicing this incredulous idea up ? My guess is that OC and QB are linked. 1. JD values draft capital 2. JD might still believe in Zach 3. JD believes in a balanced roster 4. JD knows Lamar will play 50% of the snaps he would get paid for. 5. JD never makes snap judgement calls. 6. JD has patience. 7. JD could give a **** about what this delusional minority thinks. ... ... ... i knew all along ... it was derek carr ... (michael corleone voice) ... JD has never had his back to the wall. I could see him spending money and picks in the future that he may not be here to use anyway. The mindset morphs when you get on the hot seat. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, bla bla bla said: JD has never had his back to the wall. I could see him spending money and picks in the future that he may not be here to use anyway. The mindset morphs when you get on the hot seat. A lot of assumptions about a GM who hasn’t won anything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tranquilo Posted January 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2023 Get Lamar, draft a sh*t load of linemen, if you can swing it, get Hopkins. This is the way. Do you guys realize how unstoppable this offense would be with Lamar and Breece Hall? How the **** would anyone defend that sh*t 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: Get Lamar, draft a sh*t load of linemen, if you can swing it, get Hopkins. This is the way. Do you guys realize how unstoppable this offense would be with Lamar and Breece Hall? How the **** would anyone defend that sh*t I agree it’d be a lot of fun to watch that offense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 11 hours ago, bla bla bla said: Hmm interesting, Asman has 2 sources in Houston saying otherwise but that it ended with the allegations. Nah the fonts here know more, the same ones who were sooooooo sure that we were also keeping darnold. I believe Jake Asman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 54 minutes ago, Dunnie said: ... Just checking in to see if @Johnnysd is still triggered ? Or has he imploded completely as the indie talking heads like Assman are juicing this incredulous idea up ? My guess is that OC and QB are linked. 1. JD values draft capital 2. JD might still believe in Zach 3. JD believes in a balanced roster 4. JD knows Lamar will play 50% of the snaps he would get paid for. 5. JD never makes snap judgement calls. 6. JD has patience. 7. JD could give a **** about what this delusional minority thinks. ... ... ... i knew all along ... it was derek carr ... (michael corleone voice) ... i prefer Carr over Lamar. Carr missed 2 games in 9 years. Lamar missed 12 games in 4 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 18 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: Year Age Tm GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate QBR GWD Care Care 61 45-16-0 1055 1655 63.7 12209 101 38 96.7 1 2018 21 BAL 7 6-1-0 99 170 58.2 1201 6 3 84.5 42.6 1 2019*+ 22 BAL 15 13-2-0 265 401 66.1 3127 36 6 113.3 83.0 2 2020 23 BAL 15 11-4-0 242 376 64.4 2757 26 9 99.3 67.3 1 2021* 24 BAL 12 7-5-0 246 382 64.4 2882 16 13 87.0 50.7 4 2022 25 BAL 12 8-4-0 203 326 62.3 2242 17 7 91.1 59.5 2 Lamar Jackson the past two seasons: 24 games played and 15-9 record as a starter Total games missed: 10 5,124 yards passing 33 Touchdowns and 20 Interceptions These past two seasons Lamar Jackson appears to be trending down. I can see why the Ravens are not so quick to give in to his contract demands. Now let's compare that to Derek Carr for the same past two seasons. Year Age Tm GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate QBR GWD Care Care 142 63-79-0 3201 4958 64.6 35222 217 99 91.8 33 2014 23 OAK 16 3-13-0 348 599 58.1 3270 21 12 76.6 42.1 1 2015* 24 OAK 16 7-9-0 350 573 61.1 3987 32 13 91.1 43.1 4 2016* 25 OAK 15 12-3-0 357 560 63.8 3937 28 6 96.7 56.1 7 2017* 26 OAK 15 6-9-0 323 515 62.7 3496 22 13 86.4 50.5 1 2018 27 OAK 16 4-12-0 381 553 68.9 4049 19 10 93.9 46.5 3 2019 28 OAK 16 7-9-0 361 513 70.4 4054 21 8 100.8 64.1 3 2020 29 LVR 16 8-8-0 348 517 67.3 4103 27 9 101.4 64.3 5 2021 30 LVR 17 10-7-0 428 626 68.4 4804 23 14 94.0 52.4 6 2022 31 LVR 15 6-9-0 305 502 60.8 3522 24 14 86.3 55.6 3 Derek Carr the past two seasons: 32 games played and 16-16 record as a starter Total games missed: 0 8,326 yards passing 47 Touchdowns and 28 Interceptions Give me Derek Carr for zero draft picks - or at worst one day three draft pick - instead of Lamar Jackson for a trade package to the Ravens similar to what the Broncos gave in to the Seahawks for Russell Wilson. I'm sorry, but the Lamar advocates refuse to accept any discussion about draft pick costs, Jackson's missing 1/3 of the games over the last 2 seasons (which is likely to increase given his playing style), and aversion to throwing to WRs. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 12 hours ago, Sammybighead said: Derek Carr is under contract. If he's traded, Jets don't have to do anything and he has no guarantees past next year. If he's cut, then yes, he'll get a sizable amount of guarantees with additional years, but who cares? How many more decades should we waste looking for at least average qb play? We have a young core of talented players, I don't want to waste them searching for a qb. Carr has a no-trade clause. He has to approve any trade and he won't do so until his new team gives him an expensive new deal. Trade or not, it doesn't matter. Carr is getting a shiny new rich contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I'm sorry, but the Lamar advocates refuse to accept any discussion about draft pick costs, Jackson's missing 1/3 of the games over the last 2 seasons (which is likely to increase given his playing style), and aversion to throwing to WRs. BingoSent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Nah the fonts here know more, the same ones who were sooooooo sure that we were also keeping darnold. I believe Jake Asman You get your football information from Jake Asman and you are insulting other people? lmao Plus you thought Zach WIlson was Patrick Mahomes a month ago calm down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted January 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Tranquilo said: Get Lamar, draft a sh*t load of linemen, if you can swing it, get Hopkins. This is the way. Do you guys realize how unstoppable this offense would be with Lamar and Breece Hall? How the **** would anyone defend that sh*t Go all-in against the run, with a man (LB) assigned to Lamar, and orders to hit him as hard as possible every time he runs the ball. There would be little reason to respect the pass in that scenario. Lamar is not a good passer. Also "getting a sh*tload of linemen" is alot harder than you seem to think, JD has "just got" a ton so far, most of them suck, can;t stay on the field, or both. Make no mistake, it would be better than the Wilson/White/Flacco poopshow we have now. But the costs would be huge (in terms of prying him out from under Baltimore's likely Franchise Tag, and his salary cap ramifications). So Lamar might mean not resigning QW, or Sauce/G.Wilson in a few years, or worse. I want a QB too. Lamar is too costly for the level of risk and specialized college-style offensive system and players needed to make it work. Keep in mind, the league has started to figure out Lamar as well. The Baltimore Offense has gone from #1 when he was a surprising 2nd year guy, to 7, 17 now 19 this year. Lamar is not surprising anyone anymore. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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