Forcing Douglas and Saleh to take the "fall" for Wilson is stupid. It was the right move, but drafting QBs is a crapshoot.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

Seems like most people on this board want a pound of flesh from Douglas and/or Saleh for the Wilson pick. They also claim it was an "epic" disaster.  I don't think either statement is close to being accurate.

Wilson was the consensus second pick in the 2021 draft. If the Jets didn't take him, the 49ers were going to pick him 3rd after they traded up. Are the 49ers a bad organization?  

When you get a high draft pick and have no QB, it makes perfect sense to take a swing. If it was any other season, a 2 win Jets team in 2020 would have had the first pick and Lawrence would be the QB. Then Douglas would be a messiah. Instead, the Jets perennial "good fortune" and stupidity in winning those two games late in 2020 kicked in and Lawrence is a Jaguar. If the Jets took Lawrence at #1 in 2021, people would be pushing for a Douglas statue at MetLife.  There is quite a bit of luck in the QB drafting thing, and the Jets have had no luck at all.  

What other QB drafted in 2021 is a future NFL starter, let alone franchise QB? Lance? He can't stay on the field and is as raw as they come. His days in SF seem over. Fields? He appears to be a running back playing QB and is struggling to pick up the NFL passing game and to process things quickly.  He's on the same path as Wilson, except the Bears will be forced to evaluate him longer and will pass on a QB again this year and that may come back to haunt them.  Mac Jones? He is physically limited and appears to be no better than a future journeyman. He may get one more year on a fading Pats team.

 

Keeping Darnold was not the answer either. He has shown absolutely nothing in 5 years now. Yes, the Jets could have kept him and traded down and filled in more of the  roster, but they'd be in the same place now - a middling NFL team with a strong roster and no. QB.

In today's NFL, it pays to take a chance on a young QB on a rookie deal. The repercussions from missing on a draft pick are not nearly as great as missing on a veteran free agent QB or a trade (see Denver's Russell Wilson mess). Spending $30-40 million over 4 years on a rookie QB is far less disastrous than spending $100-150 million for 3-4 years for a free agent, or 3-4 early draft picks and $100-200 million on a QB trade.  Deciding to sign Carr or Rodgers this offseason and getting it wrong is far worse than missing on Wilson.  The resources needed for a veteran QB are far greater than on a high draft pick QB.  That is what makes it worth it to take a shot at the college QB when you get a chance. If it hits, you win the lottery. 

Douglas and Saleh do not have to "pay" for taking a shot on Wilson. That is a ridiculous take propagated by an often ignorant fan base. Teams miss on drafted QBs more than they hit. Look at the NFL junkyard littered with failed QB prospects - Winston, Mariotta, Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Wilson, Lance, (soon to be Fields and Jones ), Haskins, Lock, Wentz, Lynch, Bortles, Manzeil, Bridgewater.... Compare that to the few that make it. It does not appear easy to determine which college QBs will make the grade and which will not. Did the Chargers really know that Herbert was the real deal in 2020 when they took him at 6 after Tua, or were they just lucky? I think it is the latter. If the 2020 QB class was available in 2021, the Jets may have had Herbert rather than Wilson. Does that really make the Chargers Tom Telesco better at evaluating QBs than Douglas?  Nope. It makes Telesco lucky he had an early pick that year instead of the following year.   

 

[bostonmajet]

I wanted to trade down and build the team prior to taking a QB, but either way.

I think the real mistake was to not get MLF help when it was obvious he was over his head (or replace him) - Wilson looked best when his personal coach joined the team - clearly the Jets needed the help and they didn't adjust the following year (I get year 1 with the Knapp accident). If you are going to draft a QB you need to have a quality, patient, and sound OC and staff. Rookie OC and Rookie QB without quality QB coaches is just a bad plan. If you daft a QB in the top 10, you had better do your best to develop him.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Wilson was not the consensus number 2 pick. He was a workout warrior who flew up the boards. Because of a stupid pass in basketball shorts. It was always Trevor and than fields. 

I have no problem with joe d taking a qb. But when the one you pick puts up Jamarcus russel and Ryan leaf stats, a firing shouldn’t be off the table. 

[Hal N of Provo]

Not going to read the long post because the wrong coaches were in place.  JD and RS are directly responsible for that so they can own the results.  
 

If Zach success or was a bust the approach year 1-2 was poor.  If they did everything well enough than so be it.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

It would be different if they missed on Dan Marino or Peyton Manning.  Wait .. they did :(.

Or Andrew Lucky Colts.

Or Allen, Mahomes, Jackson.   sh*te, not again.

Prior regimes.

This regime missed on Justin Fields who is still a big question mark as a passer.  They also missed on the very mediocre Mac Jones.

Still a miss, might become a big miss depending on Fields who they might still have nabbed if they took the SF trade offer.

Do I fault them going for the HR?  No.  But I do fault them for missing that BIG and selecting a QB who couldn’t hit Refrigerator Perry from 10 yards out.

[Warfish]

16 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Seems like most people on this board want a pound of flesh from Douglas and/or Saleh for the Wilson pick. They also claim it was an "epic" disaster.  I don't think either statement is close to being accurate.

Wilson was the consensus second pick in the 2021 draft. If the Jets didn't take him, the 49ers were going to pick him 3rd after they traded up. Are the 49ers a bad organization?  

When you get a high draft pick and have no QB, it makes perfect sense to take a swing. If it was any other season, a 2 win Jets team in 2020 would have had the first pick and Lawrence would be the QB. Then Douglas would be a messiah. Instead, the Jets perennial "good fortune" and stupidity in winning those two games late in 2020 kicked in and Lawrence is a Jaguar. If the Jets took Lawrence at #1 in 2021, people would be pushing for a Douglas statue at MetLife.  There is quite a bit of luck in the QB drafting thing, and the Jets have had no luck at all.  

What other QB drafted in 2021 is a future NFL starter, let alone franchise QB? Lance? He can't stay on the field and is as raw as they come. His days in SF seem over. Fields? He appears to be a running back playing QB and is struggling to pick up the NFL passing game and to process things quickly.  He's on the same path as Wilson, except the Bears will be forced to evaluate him longer and will pass on a QB again this year and that may come back to haunt them.  Mac Jones? He is physically limited and appears to be no better than a future journeyman. He may get one more year on a fading Pats team.

 

Keeping Darnold was not the answer either. He has shown absolutely nothing in 5 years now. Yes, the Jets could have kept him and traded down and filled in more of the  roster, but they'd be in the same place now - a middling NFL team with a strong roster and no. QB.

In today's NFL, it pays to take a chance on a young QB on a rookie deal. The repercussions from missing on a draft pick are not nearly as great as missing on a veteran free agent QB or a trade (see Denver's Russell Wilson mess). Spending $30-40 million over 4 years on a rookie QB is far less disastrous than spending $100-150 million for 3-4 years for a free agent, or 3-4 early draft picks and $100-200 million on a QB trade.  Deciding to sign Carr or Rodgers this offseason and getting it wrong is far worse than missing on Wilson.  The resources needed for a veteran QB are far greater than on a high draft pick QB.  That is what makes it worth it to take a shot at the college QB when you get a chance. If it hits, you win the lottery. 

Douglas and Saleh do not have to "pay" for taking a shot on Wilson. That is a ridiculous take propagated by an often ignorant fan base. Teams miss on drafted QBs more than they hit. Look at the NFL junkyard littered with failed QB prospects - Winston, Mariotta, Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Wilson, Lance, (soon to be Fields and Jones ), Haskins, Lock, Wentz, Lynch, Bortles, Manzeil, Bridgewater.... Compare that to the few that make it. It does not appear easy to determine which college QBs will make the grade and which will not. Did the Chargers really know that Herbert was the real deal in 2020 when they took him at 6 after Tua, or were they just lucky? I think it is the latter. If the 2020 QB class was available in 2021, the Jets may have had Herbert rather than Wilson. Does that really make the Chargers Tom Telesco better at evaluating QBs than Douglas?  Nope. It makes Telesco lucky he had an early pick that year instead of the following year.   

 

TLDR.

Wilson was not, and never will be, the “right choice”.

Some folks need to come to term with the fact they backed the wrong horse, and that other people who wanted nothing to do with Zach Wilson were, in fact, right all along.

The only pound of flesh I want is for our posters to live in reality once in a while. 

[THE BARON]

Wilson wasn't my consensus pick.  I had him on my do-not-draft list.  I also had Becton on my do not-draft list.  Two years in a row, JD did exactly the wrong thing.

I can't believe that there are fans in here who are not past ready to move on from ZW.

 

[Biggs]

The list of failed QB's also led to a long list of fired GM's and HC's.   Failure is rarely rewarded in a competitive environment.   Fix it or get out.  

Theyre both on the clock and should be.  

[THE BARON]

10 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

It would be different if they missed on Dan Marino or Peyton Manning.  Wait .. they did :(.

Or Andrew Lucky Colts.

Or Allen, Mahomes, Jackson.  sh*te, not again.

Prior regimes.

This regime missed on Justin Fields who is still a big question mark as a passer.  They also missed on the very mediocre Mac Jones.

Still a miss, might become a big miss depending on Fields who they might still have nabbed if they took the SF trade offer.

let's not forget that they had Trevor Lawrence in their grasp.  And they blew it.  Only the Jets

[Green Ghost]

25 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Seems like most people on this board want a pound of flesh from Douglas and/or Saleh for the Wilson pick. They also claim it was an "epic" disaster.  I don't think either statement is close to being accurate.

Wilson was the consensus second pick in the 2021 draft. If the Jets didn't take him, the 49ers were going to pick him 3rd after they traded up. Are the 49ers a bad organization?  

When you get a high draft pick and have no QB, it makes perfect sense to take a swing. If it was any other season, a 2 win Jets team in 2020 would have had the first pick and Lawrence would be the QB. Then Douglas would be a messiah. Instead, the Jets perennial "good fortune" and stupidity in winning those two games late in 2020 kicked in and Lawrence is a Jaguar. If the Jets took Lawrence at #1 in 2021, people would be pushing for a Douglas statue at MetLife.  There is quite a bit of luck in the QB drafting thing, and the Jets have had no luck at all.  

What other QB drafted in 2021 is a future NFL starter, let alone franchise QB? Lance? He can't stay on the field and is as raw as they come. His days in SF seem over. Fields? He appears to be a running back playing QB and is struggling to pick up the NFL passing game and to process things quickly.  He's on the same path as Wilson, except the Bears will be forced to evaluate him longer and will pass on a QB again this year and that may come back to haunt them.  Mac Jones? He is physically limited and appears to be no better than a future journeyman. He may get one more year on a fading Pats team.

 

Keeping Darnold was not the answer either. He has shown absolutely nothing in 5 years now. Yes, the Jets could have kept him and traded down and filled in more of the  roster, but they'd be in the same place now - a middling NFL team with a strong roster and no. QB.

In today's NFL, it pays to take a chance on a young QB on a rookie deal. The repercussions from missing on a draft pick are not nearly as great as missing on a veteran free agent QB or a trade (see Denver's Russell Wilson mess). Spending $30-40 million over 4 years on a rookie QB is far less disastrous than spending $100-150 million for 3-4 years for a free agent, or 3-4 early draft picks and $100-200 million on a QB trade.  Deciding to sign Carr or Rodgers this offseason and getting it wrong is far worse than missing on Wilson.  The resources needed for a veteran QB are far greater than on a high draft pick QB.  That is what makes it worth it to take a shot at the college QB when you get a chance. If it hits, you win the lottery. 

Douglas and Saleh do not have to "pay" for taking a shot on Wilson. That is a ridiculous take propagated by an often ignorant fan base. Teams miss on drafted QBs more than they hit. Look at the NFL junkyard littered with failed QB prospects - Winston, Mariotta, Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Wilson, Lance, (soon to be Fields and Jones ), Haskins, Lock, Wentz, Lynch, Bortles, Manzeil, Bridgewater.... Compare that to the few that make it. It does not appear easy to determine which college QBs will make the grade and which will not. Did the Chargers really know that Herbert was the real deal in 2020 when they took him at 6 after Tua, or were they just lucky? I think it is the latter. If the 2020 QB class was available in 2021, the Jets may have had Herbert rather than Wilson. Does that really make the Chargers Tom Telesco better at evaluating QBs than Douglas?  Nope. It makes Telesco lucky he had an early pick that year instead of the following year.   

 

TLDR

They took an epic bust with the second pick in the draft. They are receiving criticism for it. 

[derp]

Drafting quarterbacks is a crapshoot.

So if a team offers you the 12th pick, a third round pick, and first round picks each of the next two years for the second pick and you’ve got no infrastructure, personnel or coaching wise, in place to support a young quarterback  - you take it, build the team, and figure out quarterback later.

Team could have Devonta Smith, an additional third round pick in 2021, an additional first round pick last year, and an additional first round pick this year. Instead, Zach Wilson.

[Beerfish]

If it is a crapshoot drafting a QB high then you do not draft a QB high you go the sign a vet or trade for a vet route.

Douglas has done some very good things but he has utterly whiffed on high QB and OT picks,

In the end it is never about one player or pick it is a body of work

[kevinc855]

This guy was prob destroying Macs pics but JDs miss “ehhh no biggies it’s a crapshoot” y’all 

??

[Averagejetsfan1421]

Draft will Levis, problem solved 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

47 minutes ago, Warfish said:

TLDR.

Wilson was not, and never will be, the “right choice”.

Some folks need to come to term with the fact they backed the wrong horse, and that other people who wanted nothing to do with Zach Wilson were, in fact, right all along.

The only pound of flesh I want is for our posters to live in reality once in a while. 

So who was the "right" horse???

[Larz]

Honestly I had come down on the side of stability, keep it together, until the knives came out and the leaks happened. The leaders failed. The level of dysfunction is bad even for this team. 

[T0mShane]

Anyone find it really presumptive that everyone talks about the Zach Wilson Era in the past tense already? 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

47 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

This guy was prob destroying Macs pics but JDs miss “ehhh no biggies it’s a crapshoot” y’all 

??

You always criticize, but never ever offer a solution. So what is your fix for this team @kevinc855Kevin?

Who should be the QB?  

Who should be the coach?

Who should be the GM?

What's the plan going forward?

How do you fix the OL?

Who is your pick for OC? 

What's your plan for free agency? The Draft?

Who should the Jets keep?  Release?

Let's hear it.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

36 minutes ago, derp said:

Drafting quarterbacks is a crapshoot.

So if a team offers you the 12th pick, a third round pick, and first round picks each of the next two years for the second pick and you’ve got no infrastructure, personnel or coaching wise, in place to support a young quarterback  - you take it, build the team, and figure out quarterback later.

Team could have Devonta Smith, an additional third round pick in 2021, an additional first round pick last year, and an additional first round pick this year. Instead, Zach Wilson.

And when do you roll the dice on the QB?  When you build the team and start winning 9-10 games and have a late round first round and no QBs are available?  It's easy to say  "build the team first" but you still need that QB and getting one late in the first round or in free agency is even more of a crapshoot than drafting one early. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

17 minutes ago, Averagejetsfan1421 said:

Draft will Levis, problem solved 

Sure. No risk there.  He's a sure thing.....

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

TLDR.

Wilson was not, and never will be, the “right choice”.

Some folks need to come to term with the fact they backed the wrong horse, and that other people who wanted nothing to do with Zach Wilson were, in fact, right all along.

The only pound of flesh I want is for our posters to live in reality once in a while. 

I'm not saying Wilson was a good pick.  I'm saying it was worth the gamble to pick him.  And I'm saying neither deserves to be fired for doing so.  

[Jetluv58]

Great post. I agree. It doesn’t fit the narrative though of those who have now made a sport of just continuing to pile on and rain disdain down on Zach, Saleh, Douglas. I don’t even think we were supposed to go .500 this year. 

[derp]

5 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

And when do you roll the dice on the QB?  When you build the team and start winning 9-10 games and have a late round first round and no QBs are available?  It's easy to say  "build the team first" but you still need that QB and getting one late in the first round or in free agency is even more of a crapshoot than drafting one early. 

Once you've got the team in place, you trade up to the 6-10 overall range which is more affordable and has had a higher hit rate than the 2-5 overall range

That is in fact how the teams with the two best young quarterbacks in the game acquired their quarterbacks, and also the range where another top four young quarterback was drafted.

If you don't have the top pick, better to build and wait.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

4 minutes ago, derp said:

Once you've got the team in place, you trade up to the 6-10 overall range which is more affordable and has had a higher hit rate than the 2-5 overall range

That is in fact how the teams with the two best young quarterbacks in the game acquired their quarterbacks, and also the range where another top four young quarterback was drafted.

If you don't have the top pick, better to build and wait.

How is that any better?  If you miss then, which is still more likely than not, you didn't throw away one high pick, but three or more.  There's no coming back from that.  

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

If it is a crapshoot drafting a QB high then you do not draft a QB high you go the sign a vet or trade for a vet route.

Douglas has done some very good things but he has utterly whiffed on high QB and OT picks,

In the end it is never about one player or pick it is a body of work

"Crapshoot" makes things sound random. Callling something a crapshoot to denote a random outcome is simply wrong. 

First, there's nothing random about craps. There's 36 potential combinations with a pair of dice. The probability of outcomes is known by everyone, 7 is 1 in 6,moving to  2 and 12 are  each 1 in 18. Depending on the come out roll, you know. It's a game of absolute mathematical probability. 

Second, taking a BYU QB, unless he is some guy the big conferences simply whiffed on him,  is betting on a very long shot. Really these days the power conferences help you out. Josh Allen is off the carts physical in ways Wilson can only dream about. 

IF Douglas took a guy in the 2 slot on a lark, without considering Wilson was not a sure thing, he should have traded down, taken Parsons or Sewell and either drafted Mac Jones(servicable, not exciting) or signed a vet.  The worst thing they could have done was taking the boy scout. And they did. 

[Beerfish]

5 minutes ago, Bugg said:

"Crapshoot" makes things sound random. Callling something a crapshoot to denote a random outcome sis simply worng. 

First, there's nothing random about craps. There's 36 potential combinations with a pair of dice. The probability of outcomes is known by everyone, 7 is 1 in 6,moving to  2 and 12 are  each 1 in 18. Depending on the come out roll, you know. It's a game of absolute mathematical probability. 

Second, taking a BYU QB, unless he is some guy the big conferences simply whiffed on him,  is betting on a very long shot. Really these days the power conferences help you out. Josh Allen is off the carts physical in ways Wilson can only dream about. 

IF Douglas took a guy in the 2 slot on a lark, without considering Wilson was not a sure thing, he should have traded down, taken Parsons or Sewell and either drafted Mac Jones(servicable, not exciting) or signed a vet.  The worst thing they could have done was taking the boy scout. And they did. 

I don't think anything is a crap shoot.  You can certainly enhance your chances of success if you do things in a certain way re QBs.

Build the team first add the Qb last.

Build the oline a few years before you add the QB.

Have the very best support for the new QB

Do not start the new guy day one, they  are almost never ready.

Invest in QB depth because if the top guy fails there is no reason to cash in all chips.

The Jets failed on almost all of these.

[Matt39]

They didn’t do their homework on him. They didnt do it with Becton either. Yeah, they don’t get a pass.

[slimjasi]

27 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Anyone find it really presumptive that everyone talks about the Zach Wilson Era in the past tense already? 

I think it’s because it’s just so hard to imagine JD and Saleh tying their employment to a guy who has been so bad through 22 starts. 
 

But it’s definitely presumptive. He’s not gone until he’s gone and I still think there is a decent chance he’ll be on the roster next year. 

[Rangers9]

If it was the wrong move and Zach is a wash they both with others can sure take the blame they had an overall number two and chose someone who is below average. Or they didn’t develop a player with loads of potential. I don’t agree that Zach is a complete dud yet. He’s underperformed had two terrible games but he’s also been ok in games and won 5 of our 7 Ws. He’s a disappointment and obviously hasn’t been coached well but he’s not totally finished. There was much bad play by QBs in the NFL including bad games by franchise QBs. Not sure Zach will be here also not sure he can’t have a reasonable career. 

[carlito1171]

This is the NFL. A results based business.

This is the decision you make when you take a QB at #2 overall.....every GM knows that their regime is probably gonna live or die with the success or lack thereof with these kids they draft. It is well known that GMs have to assume responsibility for the success of their picks no matter the circumstance. This is what they sign up for. Not sure why this is a big deal for you...

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

TLDR.

Wilson was not, and never will be, the “right choice”.

Some folks need to come to term with the fact they backed the wrong horse, and that other people who wanted nothing to do with Zach Wilson were, in fact, right all along.

The only pound of flesh I want is for our posters to live in reality once in a while. 

If you didn't read it if you only read the topic heading, you have no idea what I said.  

[Corn]

Zach looked fine as a prospect with some concerns Like all have.

 

[derp]

9 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

How is that any better?  If you miss then, which is still more likely than not, you didn't throw away one high pick, but three or more.  There's no coming back from that.  

The team is better equipped to support a young quarterback, thus the higher success rate of guys drafted in that range (unless you think teams are just better at drafting quarterbacks a few picks later in which case it’s still appealing) and you’ve actually invested less draft capital because the pick in that range isn’t worth as much.

Unless they’re trading up to two again, the capital they’d get from moving down more than offsets the cost to move up in future years. Which is kind of obvious, since the second pick is worth more than the sixth to tenth pick.

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Seems like most people on this board want a pound of flesh from Douglas and/or Saleh for the Wilson pick. They also claim it was an "epic" disaster.  I don't think either statement is close to being accurate.

Wilson was the consensus second pick in the 2021 draft. If the Jets didn't take him, the 49ers were going to pick him 3rd after they traded up. Are the 49ers a bad organization?  

When you get a high draft pick and have no QB, it makes perfect sense to take a swing. If it was any other season, a 2 win Jets team in 2020 would have had the first pick and Lawrence would be the QB. Then Douglas would be a messiah. Instead, the Jets perennial "good fortune" and stupidity in winning those two games late in 2020 kicked in and Lawrence is a Jaguar. If the Jets took Lawrence at #1 in 2021, people would be pushing for a Douglas statue at MetLife.  There is quite a bit of luck in the QB drafting thing, and the Jets have had no luck at all.  

What other QB drafted in 2021 is a future NFL starter, let alone franchise QB? Lance? He can't stay on the field and is as raw as they come. His days in SF seem over. Fields? He appears to be a running back playing QB and is struggling to pick up the NFL passing game and to process things quickly.  He's on the same path as Wilson, except the Bears will be forced to evaluate him longer and will pass on a QB again this year and that may come back to haunt them.  Mac Jones? He is physically limited and appears to be no better than a future journeyman. He may get one more year on a fading Pats team.

 

Keeping Darnold was not the answer either. He has shown absolutely nothing in 5 years now. Yes, the Jets could have kept him and traded down and filled in more of the  roster, but they'd be in the same place now - a middling NFL team with a strong roster and no. QB.

In today's NFL, it pays to take a chance on a young QB on a rookie deal. The repercussions from missing on a draft pick are not nearly as great as missing on a veteran free agent QB or a trade (see Denver's Russell Wilson mess). Spending $30-40 million over 4 years on a rookie QB is far less disastrous than spending $100-150 million for 3-4 years for a free agent, or 3-4 early draft picks and $100-200 million on a QB trade.  Deciding to sign Carr or Rodgers this offseason and getting it wrong is far worse than missing on Wilson.  The resources needed for a veteran QB are far greater than on a high draft pick QB.  That is what makes it worth it to take a shot at the college QB when you get a chance. If it hits, you win the lottery. 

Douglas and Saleh do not have to "pay" for taking a shot on Wilson. That is a ridiculous take propagated by an often ignorant fan base. Teams miss on drafted QBs more than they hit. Look at the NFL junkyard littered with failed QB prospects - Winston, Mariotta, Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Wilson, Lance, (soon to be Fields and Jones ), Haskins, Lock, Wentz, Lynch, Bortles, Manzeil, Bridgewater.... Compare that to the few that make it. It does not appear easy to determine which college QBs will make the grade and which will not. Did the Chargers really know that Herbert was the real deal in 2020 when they took him at 6 after Tua, or were they just lucky? I think it is the latter. If the 2020 QB class was available in 2021, the Jets may have had Herbert rather than Wilson. Does that really make the Chargers Tom Telesco better at evaluating QBs than Douglas?  Nope. It makes Telesco lucky he had an early pick that year instead of the following year.   

 

I hate the the off season

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

I should have known that by posting this topic, I'd get the same posts from the same people that I've seen for a year and a half. Fire them all, epic fail, beating the dead horse on Wilson, blah blah blah........

Then people come out with trade a boatload of picks and spend hundreds of millions on Rodgers or Jackson and I just shake my head.  Or the woulda shoulda coulda posts on the handful of QBs that panned out - should have drafted Allen, Mahomes, etc.

Or the posts that say draft Levis as if going to the well again this season  and picking whatever QB is there at 13 is the clear answer.