Matt39 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 John Ross, Washington Playmaker Projection: 694 Yards Playmaker Rating: 96.9% John Ross made his mark on NFL draft coverage by running a record 4.22-second 40-yard dash, but the hoopla around his combine performance distracts from the fact that Ross had a strong career as a wide receiver for the Washington Huskies. Ross scored a touchdown on more than four percent of all of the Huskies' pass attempts in 2016. Ross was also somewhat involved in the running game, averaging approximately one rushing attempt every two games, which further boosts his projection. Ross is a bit of a one-hit wonder because he had less than 600 career receiving yards before exploding with 1,150 yards as a junior. However, there is a long history of successful NFL wide receivers, such as Terry Glenn or Brandon Marshall, doing even less than Ross did early in their college careers before breaking out as juniors. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2017/playmaker-score-2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I'd rather Williams if we go WR, but I wouldn't mind Ross at all. I see so much DeSean Jackson in him...but with a good head on his shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I think Ross would be a great pick for a team that already has a stud #1 WR. I would also go with Williams if WR is what we take at 6. With QB so shaky, I doubt a WR will be the pick, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I would go special teams in roune one and bring back Percy Harvin on a 3 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, Maxman said: I would go special teams in roune one and bring back Percy Harvin on a 3 year deal. Black Tar Heroin is no joke son.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I have a feeling 9-1-1 would be a busy operator if this was to be the pick at six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Johnny Lam Jones 2.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Ive only heard great thi gs aboht this kid. Some say hes better than williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harts724 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 NFW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I think the 6th pick needs to be an everydown All Pro player. From this draft, that should be obtainable. Adams Hooker Howard Even Solomon Thomas if they reconfigure the defense. Trubisky if first 3 are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Who is this OP and why is he bothering us with this idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 If we are trying to build a better team this would be a terrible mistake I think. He may develop into a decent player but is way more likely to be put into the bust category. Combine hero's often get overdrafted and overhyped there are players who have alot more value to us at pick 6...even if we moved down to the late first rounds there would be more value. This kid is the next the next tavon Austin or cooks or devin smith some team will wait a year or two for the kid to break out and find out that he is not as fast or as good as they thought he was but they will get caught up in his hype and take him over someone better. No thanksSent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 We can't take a WR but we can take another defensive player for the millionth time in a row. go Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 11 hours ago, Matt39 said: John Ross, Washington Playmaker Projection: 694 Yards Playmaker Rating: 96.9% John Ross made his mark on NFL draft coverage by running a record 4.22-second 40-yard dash, but the hoopla around his combine performance distracts from the fact that Ross had a strong career as a wide receiver for the Washington Huskies. Ross scored a touchdown on more than four percent of all of the Huskies' pass attempts in 2016. Ross was also somewhat involved in the running game, averaging approximately one rushing attempt every two games, which further boosts his projection. Ross is a bit of a one-hit wonder because he had less than 600 career receiving yards before exploding with 1,150 yards as a junior. However, there is a long history of successful NFL wide receivers, such as Terry Glenn or Brandon Marshall, doing even less than Ross did early in their college careers before breaking out as juniors. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2017/playmaker-score-2017 Is Ross even mentioned in the same breath as Williams or Davis if he doesnt run a 4.22? I cant say I've watched any of Western Michigan, so I know nothing about Corey Davis. Williams is a beast and I think his game translates. I only saw a few games of Washington mostly to watch Jake Browning (who I think will be a legit NFL prospect) and you cant help but notice Ross. He's explosive. But I cant get the taste out of my mouth of their last game of the season. Bama shut that sh*t down with ease. And then you watched Mike Williams look like a grown ass man vs. Bama. It's hard to get that out of my head and if I'm taking a WR that plays a pretty big factor for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 2 hours ago, HighPitch said: Ive only heard great thi gs aboht this kid. Some say hes better than williams Watch the Wash.vs Alabama semi final and then the Clemson vs Alabama games, and then try to say this with a straight face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 No way would I pick him at 6, nice player, will be a good pro but to me if you are picking a WR that high you need to get a guy who is a big red zone threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 10 hours ago, Il Mostro said: I think Ross would be a great pick for a team that already has a stud #1 WR. I would also go with Williams if WR is what we take at 6. With QB so shaky, I doubt a WR will be the pick, though. Agreed. Ross is special, will be a game changer and will win games for whichever team drafts him. With that said, he isn't what this team needs right now. Ross is the kind of guy you draft when you already have a really good team. With all that said, I'd rather draft him than another guy on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yea no way at 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 2 hours ago, bealeb319 said: If we are trying to build a better team this would be a terrible mistake I think. He may develop into a decent player but is way more likely to be put into the bust category. Combine hero's often get overdrafted and overhyped there are players who have alot more value to us at pick 6...even if we moved down to the late first rounds there would be more value. This kid is the next the next tavon Austin or cooks or devin smith some team will wait a year or two for the kid to break out and find out that he is not as fast or as good as they thought he was but they will get caught up in his hype and take him over someone better. No thanks Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Cooks is legit. Just look at his numbers in NO. Just wait until this year, they will skyrocket in NE. Ross will be an explosive playmaker in the NFL. But I have him behind C.Davis as the #1 WR. He is on par with Williams as the #2 WR on the board- IMO. They are so different that it depends on what you are looking for as a team. Having said that, the Jets SHOULD NOT select ANY WR with the 6th pick. Howard is the only pass catcher I am willing to draft. And that is only if Adams, Fournette and Garrett are off the board (which they probably will be) and if the Jets have concerns with Hooker and Lattimore's injuries. To me, if the Jets can't trade down, this is who I want. Pretty much in this order. 1. Garrett- will probably be off the board 2. Fournette- will probably be off the board 3. Adams- will probably be off the board 4. Hooker- injury concerns 5. Lattimore- injury concerns 6. OJ Howard 7. D.Barnett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I'd have a huge problem with this pick. Not because of the position, but the player. At 6, we'd be able to choose the best WR I'm the draft. Ross is at best a distant 3rd behind Davis and Williams. Meaning we would be choosing Ross over those 2. Which would be extremely stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Would be a flat out crazy pick at 6 IMO. I'd lose my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 30 minutes ago, PepPep said: Cooks is legit. Just look at his numbers in NO. Just wait until this year, they will skyrocket in NE. Ross will be an explosive playmaker in the NFL. But I have him behind C.Davis as the #1 WR. He is on par with Williams as the #2 WR on the board- IMO. They are so different that it depends on what you are looking for as a team. Having said that, the Jets SHOULD NOT select ANY WR with the 6th pick. Howard is the only pass catcher I am willing to draft. And that is only if Adams, Fournette and Garrett are off the board (which they probably will be) and if the Jets have concerns with Hooker and Lattimore's injuries. To me, if the Jets can't trade down, this is who I want. Pretty much in this order. 1. Garrett- will probably be off the board 2. Fournette- will probably be off the board 3. Adams- will probably be off the board 4. Hooker- injury concerns 5. Lattimore- injury concerns 6. OJ Howard 7. D.Barnett You just can't take a player in the top 10 that pulls his oft-injured hamstring at the Combine. Not after Milliner. Those not on the Fournette train may regret this, but for a team like the Jets I question using the 6th pick on him this year. If they traded down with Cleveland and were picking 12, I would feel better about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Is there such grade as an F-? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 No .... people are just starting to get ridiculous ideas now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 52 minutes ago, varjet said: You just can't take a player in the top 10 that pulls his oft-injured hamstring at the Combine. Not after Milliner. Those not on the Fournette train may regret this, but for a team like the Jets I question using the 6th pick on him this year. If they traded down with Cleveland and were picking 12, I would feel better about it. Correct RE: Lattimore. Which is why I specified that he has injury concerns. Hooker, IMO, to a lesser degree. But I really don't know. This will be up t Jets training and medical staff to figure out and make the best recommendation. I'd be happy to draft Lattimore if he was Revis 2.0 and missed a 2-3 games a year due to bad hammies. I would not be happy if he was Milliner 2.0 and could not get on the field. The word on Hooker is that despite his surgeries, his draft stock will not fall. This has to make me think that many scouts don't see his surgeries as leading to more injures down the line or a limitation on the type of player he can become. Personally, I am on the Fournette train. I think he is one of the top 5 prospects in the draft period. Do I understand the concerns of some with the Jets taking a RB so high, sure. But I don't nec. believe you can pass on a guy like that just b/c of the position he plays. My prediction is that Fournette, Adams, Allen, Garrett, S.Thomas will be off the board as the top 5. The Jets will end up either going with Hooker or OJ Howard. Probably Hooker if they don't have major concerns with his surgeries. I think the Jets like Lattimore, but the hamstring injuries and the fact that this draft is deep at CB will make them pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 14 hours ago, Il Mostro said: I think Ross would be a great pick for a team that already has a stud #1 WR. I would also go with Williams if WR is what we take at 6. With QB so shaky, I doubt a WR will be the pick, though. Edge guy. We have to kill the opposing QB to have any kind of chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 John Ross has too many question marks to be taken at 6. For his body type, his NFL comparison may be DeSean Jackson (Devin Smith had the same comparison) but teams are more likely looking for a T.Y. Hilton at 6. A guy that can win at all levels of the field. Ross' best ability is his route running on comeback and curl routes, possibly due to opposing cornerbacks' respect for his speed. He does not do well at routes across the field or angled routes and rarely gets thrown when there is tight coverage. He needs a quarterback with a strong arm that can capitalize on the separation he creates on comeback, curl and out routes. A QB with a weak arm allows the cornerback time to make the adjustment and break on the ball. A quarterback that throws accurately with anticipation (good for slants and post) is not as big a factor as arm strength for the routes Ross excels at. For angled routes, cornerbacks are rarely in front of the wide receiver (under coverage with over the top help). In order to make a play on the ball they need to get around the player or it must be a poorly thrown pass. Ross is great at creating after the catch and is a solid returner. He could develop into a solid player but he needs to stay healthy which is a major concern for him going into the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 The guy was insanely productive in college and is my favorite WR in this class. That said, noooooooooo thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 8 hours ago, JiF said: Is Ross even mentioned in the same breath as Williams or Davis if he doesnt run a 4.22? I cant say I've watched any of Western Michigan, so I know nothing about Corey Davis. Williams is a beast and I think his game translates. I only saw a few games of Washington mostly to watch Jake Browning (who I think will be a legit NFL prospect) and you cant help but notice Ross. He's explosive. But I cant get the taste out of my mouth of their last game of the season. Bama shut that sh*t down with ease. And then you watched Mike Williams look like a grown ass man vs. Bama. It's hard to get that out of my head and if I'm taking a WR that plays a pretty big factor for me. Williams is head and shoulders better than Ross, who can fly, but is not even 6' tall. I don't like smurf WR's. If he was there in second round, I would jump out of my shoes for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 3 hours ago, SenorGato said: The guy was insanely productive in college and is my favorite WR in this class. That said, noooooooooo thanks Fair enough. But pick 6, like last time, is no mans land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 23 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Fair enough. But pick 6, like last time, is no mans land. They have 3 player options at 6 - Watson, Garrett, and Thomas. All else can buzz off and/or be boo'd into oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: They have 3 player options at 6 - Watson, Garrett, and Thomas. All else can buzz off and/or be boo'd into oblivion. And if they're all off the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 58 minutes ago, Matt39 said: And if they're all off the board? He's kidding. They're drafting a DB. Probably two of the first three picks will be DB. The other one Charles Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Pass, we're trading down anyways. Haven't you heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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