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Does Eli Manning Deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

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I don't have any doubt that Eli Manning will be a Hall of Famer when he hangs up his cleats. The purpose of this thread is to debate if he deserves the honor that will likely be bestowed upon him. Personally, I think the idea of pointing at a QB's Super Bowl rings as the reason for their deservedness is pretty simple-minded and arguably dumb. Using that logic, Trent Dilfer is one Super Bowl away from being a Hall of Famer - see my point?

But does a QB whose career QB Rating that is exactly the same as Bryan Hoyer's deserve to wear the yellow jacket? Does a guy with a lower QB rating than Jay Cutler and Mike Glennon deserve the honor? I'm of the belief that the Hall of Fame should be the best of the very best, and Eli Manning has never been a top 5 QB in any season he's ever played in.

Eli Manning's average season looks like this "59.8%, 3,744 yards, 25 TDs, 17 INTs"....is that HoF worthy? Eli has zero MVPs but does have four Pro Bowls. 

Thoughts?

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8 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

I don't have any doubt that Eli Manning will be a Hall of Famer when he hangs up his cleats. The purpose of this thread is to debate if he deserves the honor that will likely be bestowed upon him. Personally, I think the idea of pointing at a QB's Super Bowl rings as the reason for their deservedness is pretty simple-minded and arguably dumb. Using that logic, Trent Dilfer is one Super Bowl away from being a Hall of Famer - see my point?

But does a QB whose career QB Rating that is exactly the same as Bryan Hoyer's deserve to wear the yellow jacket? Does a guy with a lower QB rating than Jay Cutler and Mike Glennon deserve the honor? I'm of the belief that the Hall of Fame should be the best of the very best, and Eli Manning has never been a top 5 QB in any season he's ever played in.

Eli Manning's average season looks like this "59.8%, 3,744 yards, 25 TDs, 17 INTs"....is that HoF worthy? Eli has zero MVPs but does have four Pro Bowls. 

Thoughts?

 

6 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Yes. He played 200 plus straight games. Beat the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl. He goes in the first year he is eligible.

Impossible....  NYJUNC says he is a jag.   😀

 

All seriousness.... his stats are solid.  I say YAY.  HE is in. 

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The 2 Superbowl upsets are going to get him in, but I've never viewed him as an elite quarterback. He's been a top 10 guy at his best.

If Joe Flacco got hot for another year and won a Superbowl, they are career equivalents IMO. Eli will get in, Flacco wouldn't. Eli's wins were all-time upsets and he's a Manning.

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He will never be considered elite but between his iron man streak, 2 rings and 2mvp's he will get in. As much as it is stat driven, voters will always remember those two super bowl wins especially in 07. He will always be thought of as the guy who beat Brady who many consider the GOAT.


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Obviously he shouldn't even be in the conversation. He's a painfully medicore QB who has had a few good runs but has never been one of the better QBs in the league. The New York factor, his last name, and the Super Bowls will be a huge boon for him but in terms of his actual talent/performance he's not even a realistic candidate.

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3 hours ago, Maxman said:

Yes. He played 200 plus straight games. Beat the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl. He goes in the first year he is eligible.

Weird, I don't think of him as a Hall of Famer at all. He was never really elite and even the two SB years they had like 9-10 wins I think. He got hot and went on a streak at the right time. Like Rex as a coach only he was able to take it two games further. 

 

Lists and honors can be so fickle and mean different things to different people. I have no doubt that you're right but I have to grin and snort a bit at the fact, even though it's true. 

Couldnt even call him a top 8 QB in the league half his career. Super bowl is a super bowl I guess, nature of the beast

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3 hours ago, Maxman said:

Yes. He played 200 plus straight games. Beat the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl. He goes in the first year he is eligible.

"Yeah, probably" was my initial feeling.  He's a "quiet" HOF'er.  Never that flashy or spectacular to watch tbqh.  Not a personality of any kind.  Vanilla, but good vanilla?

For another franchise, he's Vinny Testeverte.  /shrug.

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4 hours ago, Maxman said:

Yes. He played 200 plus straight games. Beat the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl. He goes in the first year he is eligible.

That is exactly why he will go to the HOF.  But take away an extremely  fluky catch where Eli was in the grasp and an Edleman drop/poor Brady pass and the narrative would be quite different.

 

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21 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

That is exactly why he will go to the HOF.  But take away an extremely  fluky catch where Eli was in the grasp and an Edleman drop/poor Brady pass and the narrative would be quite different.

 

You mean Welker's bad drop

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

"Yeah, probably" was my initial feeling.  He's a "quiet" HOF'er.  Never that flashy or spectacular to watch tbqh.  Not a personality of any kind.  Vanilla, but good vanilla?

For another franchise, he's Vinny Testeverte.  /shrug.

Well just think of how much more annoying the Patriots fans would be with two more Super Bowl victories. :) 

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He will probably get in although I wouldn't vote for him. He's a really streaky player surrounded by teams that have taken unbelievably good care of him. His long stretch of games is partially credited to the team around him preventing injury. His SB successes were at least as much on the defenses and one particularly lucky catch. A sack or two at a more dangerous angle, the ball slipping against the helmet, a few blown tackles by the defense and his career is a long term, a little above average QB. 

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16 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

He's a really streaky player surrounded by teams that have taken unbelievably good care of him. His long stretch of games is partially credited to the team around him preventing injury.

 

Did you watch last nights game? The guy takes a beating. 

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