Zerovoltz Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 This was posted at Brownsboard.com. I don't have anything to say one way or another about it's authenticity etc...it's a guy who knows a guy...take it for what it's worth....some of this seems plausible considering that Darnold is suddenly meeting with the Jets and Bills now....so there is that....I am not posting this to back up my opinion....I think Darnold is going 1 overall to the Browns. Posting for entertainment and speculation value only. Take it for what it's worth. This stirred up reddit a little while ago when a poster imported it from the Browns' section of another forum, Football's Future. Personally I found the reported takes to be plausible, if not credible, in no small part due to confirmation bias, if nothing else. However, regardless of the credibility you give it, you might find the described recon approach teams take to be as fascinating an account of corporate espionage as I did. Below is the OP from the original site with later edits of the reddit back and forth removed. Here's the link to the thread: https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/7725-the-coaches-want-rosen-at-1-other-serious-browns-draft-rumblings/ =============================================================================================================================================== **LONG POST ALERT*** I have some terrible news to inform everyone. It looks like we really will be passing on Darnold.... THIS IS NOT SOME STUPID TROLL, or me doing the reverse psychology thing saying Baker's going first while secretly feeling giddy and knowing we're taking Darnold at 1 as a way to cope with the possibility the Browns might screw this up. (Skip to The News below if u must) As I've said before, my brother in law was a scout & personnel assistant exec for 11 years. I never ID'd his team when he was employed but he was canned in the mass firings when Mr. Reese and co. were fired from the Giants. Although I'm often wrong about my own predictions, my b.o i. always cautioned me that what he'd tell me in terms of rumors has a chance of being misinformation put out by other teams to hide their true intentions. However, the vast majority of things he told me that I posted on this forum came true. For example, for those people that actually paid attention to my posts on the old forum before last year's draft, you'd remember that based on what my b.o.i. heard at the combine I posted "the Bears will look to trade up for Trubisky with either the Browns at 1 or San Fran at 2." At the time, only 3 people responded to that post. I also posted that "Sashi Brown was seen twice via my b.o.i.'s team spycraft department, 1st with Rick Smith of the Texans, and 2nd with Ryan Pace of the Bears at a private membership only room at a Wine & Cigar lounge in Indy" and... "Dont be surprised if we trade one of our picks to the Bears or Texans." That post received 2 responses and came true regarding the draft. Teams have 10s and even 100s of thousands of dollar budget for their "spycraft" depts that includes things you wouldnt even believe all in order to propel the interests of their million dollar cash cows. One of the more basic ways for teams to get inside info is to recruit disgruntled "soon to be fired" scouts and personnel staffers away from another team while they are still employed and possibly privy to strategic information. ALL teams try to do this. The best and smartest teams top execs leave scouts & even key personnel staffers in the dark on real rankings and strategy for fear of info leaking out. The elite top execs only inform the owner & a select few before the draft. Smart top execs run disinformation campaigns and put up false rankings in plain view of scouts and staffers so the disinfo will leak to teams giving them an advantage to operate under the veil of confusion. The News: My b.o.i. told me this morning "the scuttlebut is that 6 Browns scouts & 1 personnel exec have been "respectably" flipped (i.e., they already agreed to move on to a team without breaching the trust of their former employee) due to being promised future jobs & due to being disgruntled"...However, 2 scouts and 1 personnel exec has been "unhonorably flipped" (i.e., informing on the teams draft beliefs while still employed to another team) with 1 person in particular "lacking any sort of ethics and is singing like canary so much that the team he's giving the info to is secretly laughing their a**es off b/c they know there's no way in hell they're hiring this guy after all this." Apparently, there is already a major rift between the offensive coaches & the top personnel execs regarding the pick at 1 and ranking the QBs. It's likely irreconcilable. In what was a shocker to me as a "Darnold no matter" what guy Todd Haley, Ken Zampese, Hue Jackson, and Al Saunders (he's become a de facto QB scout) are united in the belief that Josh Rosen is their guy, clear cut by a wide margin. The combine interview only confirmed this and they are all in. They all agree that Sam Darnold is their number 2, but there are some disagreements between the coaches on who is 3rd as some say Baker Mayfield while others surprisingly say Lamar Jackson. All the coaches apparently have Josh Allen 5th which completely surprised me. The only personnel execs that mostly agree with the coaches are Eliot Wolf & Andrew Berry with Wolf having Darnold as QB1 and AB having had Darnold at 1 precombine but put Rosen ahead at 1 after the interview as Darnold tanked the interview and had no presence on the white board (I'd say did Mariota or Eli have a presence? Did Favre do a great job with X&Os on the board? No... but I digress..) The rest of the top personnel staff (John Dorsey, Scot McCloughan--yes he's a top staffer more on that in a bit, and Alonzo Highsmith) along with Paul DePodesta have Baker Mayfield as their clear cut leader by a wide margin. The personnel guys then have Josh Allen number 2! Followed by Sam Darnold at 3 and Josh Rosen at 4. Paul DePo supposedly has it Baker, Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, & Allen. Complicating the matter is apparently Scot McCloughan has come in waving a big stick as a former GM like he's the de facto top personnel guy when John Dorsey isnt around. He pulls his "when i was GM" card out in every debate. He is not consulting with other teams as that was just a farce to buy him time to finish some past due work that he and his company owed some teams for purchasing their scouting services. He is a full time Browns employee. This has in particular caused friction with Eliot Wolf as he thought he'd have that "right hand man assistant GM" role and it seems that Scot will have a powerful permanent position after the draft unless something changes and problems can be worked out. Right now, John Dorsey is supposedly selling Jimmy that Baker is the top prospect as identified by Analytics and Traditional Scouting methodology with Paul DePo in his corner. Dorsey and Scot were blown away by Baker's combine interview while coaches thought he was too defensive. As a temporary compromise just to keep the peace while much draft work is still to be done, the coaches and personnel execs are now strongly discussing that they will take their number 1 player on the big board Bradley Chubb at #1 overall and their QB at 4. Which to me makes ABSOLUTELY NO FU**ING sense at all when we need a QB.....but again I digress... Distraught on Skype I immediately asked my b.o.i. " if this was all a joke" and "how certain are you that this isnt just elegant disinformation on the Browns part"? He told me it's absolutely not a joke and the same spycraft dept heads (some of the best in the business) that he trusted in NY all those years have the Giants new personnel staff convinced that it is real enough to the point where everyone on the Giants staff except for new GM Dave Gettleman and an assistant staffer are operating as if it's true and they'll have their pick of all the QBs at 2 or at worst Baker Mayfield will go 1. I've jokingly been saying Baker would go 1 but secretly believed Hue and co AND Dorsey all loved Sam Darnold at 1. I never even considered the thought that Josh Rosen wouldve been the unanimous selection among the coaches. My only hope now is that some compromise is struck and we go Chubb at 1 and Rosen makes it to 4 based on the personality thing, or Hue and the coaches win out and we take Rosen at 1 to guarantee we get our QB, or that meathead Dorsey is running the most sophisticated 4D chess misinformation game utilizing scouts, coaches, and personnel people as pawns to fool the scouting community. I'll hold my breath on the latter. Say goodbye to Darnold for real my friends. He's the hero we deserved...I'll never stop believing that based on the tape review. It just really sucks... I'm now going to watch Rosen again and try to 1. convince myself I like him more than Darnold and 2. Somehow the coaches desires win out...wish me luck.. Oh...P.S. I hate-love (more hate than anything) this sh** team with all my heart.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BurnleyJet Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I thought the Jets FO was stupid.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Grandy Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Uhhhh...... Uhhhhhhhhh...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I posted this original Browns Board piece two days ago @zerovoltz in All Draft QB Rumormill thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 A good morning belly laugh. Thanks for the gifs. They were as priceless as the inside scoop. Let it be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Interestingly, they didn't even mention Barkley as possibly going number 1. As much as I like Rosen, he seems like a horrible fit in Cleveland. He might pull an Eli if they pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 incarcerated bob is that you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Man I wish the Draft would hurry up and get here........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 So...This would make sense if the Jets beleived this to be true - and Mayfield is furhter down their board - to let out the rumors that they LOVE Mayfield - so the Browns don't think they can wait for him at 4 and take him at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Charlie Brown Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 This is a Great OP and I for one am not in love with Darnold and really want Baker or Rosen on the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 So, what this REALLY means is they could be going safety with one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Rosen and Darnold with 1 and 2 in any order would not really be surprising (makes more sense then going Allen at #1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jetsfansince7 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 This was posted at Brownsboard.com. I don't have anything to say one way or another about it's authenticity etc...it's a guy who knows a guy...take it for what it's worth....some of this seems plausible considering that Darnold is suddenly meeting with the Jets and Bills now....so there is that....I am not posting this to back up my opinion....I think Darnold is going 1 overall to the Browns. Posting for entertainment and speculation value only. Take it for what it's worth. This stirred up reddit a little while ago when a poster imported it from the Browns' section of another forum, Football's Future. Personally I found the reported takes to be plausible, if not credible, in no small part due to confirmation bias, if nothing else. However, regardless of the credibility you give it, you might find the described recon approach teams take to be as fascinating an account of corporate espionage as I did. Below is the OP from the original site with later edits of the reddit back and forth removed. Here's the link to the thread: https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/7725-the-coaches-want-rosen-at-1-other-serious-browns-draft-rumblings/ =============================================================================================================================================== **LONG POST ALERT*** I have some terrible news to inform everyone. It looks like we really will be passing on Darnold.... THIS IS NOT SOME STUPID TROLL, or me doing the reverse psychology thing saying Baker's going first while secretly feeling giddy and knowing we're taking Darnold at 1 as a way to cope with the possibility the Browns might screw this up. (Skip to The News below if u must) As I've said before, my brother in law was a scout & personnel assistant exec for 11 years. I never ID'd his team when he was employed but he was canned in the mass firings when Mr. Reese and co. were fired from the Giants. Although I'm often wrong about my own predictions, my b.o i. always cautioned me that what he'd tell me in terms of rumors has a chance of being misinformation put out by other teams to hide their true intentions. However, the vast majority of things he told me that I posted on this forum came true. For example, for those people that actually paid attention to my posts on the old forum before last year's draft, you'd remember that based on what my b.o.i. heard at the combine I posted "the Bears will look to trade up for Trubisky with either the Browns at 1 or San Fran at 2." At the time, only 3 people responded to that post. I also posted that "Sashi Brown was seen twice via my b.o.i.'s team spycraft department, 1st with Rick Smith of the Texans, and 2nd with Ryan Pace of the Bears at a private membership only room at a Wine & Cigar lounge in Indy" and... "Dont be surprised if we trade one of our picks to the Bears or Texans." That post received 2 responses and came true regarding the draft. Teams have 10s and even 100s of thousands of dollar budget for their "spycraft" depts that includes things you wouldnt even believe all in order to propel the interests of their million dollar cash cows. One of the more basic ways for teams to get inside info is to recruit disgruntled "soon to be fired" scouts and personnel staffers away from another team while they are still employed and possibly privy to strategic information. ALL teams try to do this. The best and smartest teams top execs leave scouts & even key personnel staffers in the dark on real rankings and strategy for fear of info leaking out. The elite top execs only inform the owner & a select few before the draft. Smart top execs run disinformation campaigns and put up false rankings in plain view of scouts and staffers so the disinfo will leak to teams giving them an advantage to operate under the veil of confusion. The News: My b.o.i. told me this morning "the scuttlebut is that 6 Browns scouts & 1 personnel exec have been "respectably" flipped (i.e., they already agreed to move on to a team without breaching the trust of their former employee) due to being promised future jobs & due to being disgruntled"...However, 2 scouts and 1 personnel exec has been "unhonorably flipped" (i.e., informing on the teams draft beliefs while still employed to another team) with 1 person in particular "lacking any sort of ethics and is singing like canary so much that the team he's giving the info to is secretly laughing their a**es off b/c they know there's no way in hell they're hiring this guy after all this." Apparently, there is already a major rift between the offensive coaches & the top personnel execs regarding the pick at 1 and ranking the QBs. It's likely irreconcilable. In what was a shocker to me as a "Darnold no matter" what guy Todd Haley, Ken Zampese, Hue Jackson, and Al Saunders (he's become a de facto QB scout) are united in the belief that Josh Rosen is their guy, clear cut by a wide margin. The combine interview only confirmed this and they are all in. They all agree that Sam Darnold is their number 2, but there are some disagreements between the coaches on who is 3rd as some say Baker Mayfield while others surprisingly say Lamar Jackson. All the coaches apparently have Josh Allen 5th which completely surprised me. The only personnel execs that mostly agree with the coaches are Eliot Wolf & Andrew Berry with Wolf having Darnold as QB1 and AB having had Darnold at 1 precombine but put Rosen ahead at 1 after the interview as Darnold tanked the interview and had no presence on the white board (I'd say did Mariota or Eli have a presence? Did Favre do a great job with X&Os on the board? No... but I digress..) The rest of the top personnel staff (John Dorsey, Scot McCloughan--yes he's a top staffer more on that in a bit, and Alonzo Highsmith) along with Paul DePodesta have Baker Mayfield as their clear cut leader by a wide margin. The personnel guys then have Josh Allen number 2! Followed by Sam Darnold at 3 and Josh Rosen at 4. Paul DePo supposedly has it Baker, Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, & Allen. Complicating the matter is apparently Scot McCloughan has come in waving a big stick as a former GM like he's the de facto top personnel guy when John Dorsey isnt around. He pulls his "when i was GM" card out in every debate. He is not consulting with other teams as that was just a farce to buy him time to finish some past due work that he and his company owed some teams for purchasing their scouting services. He is a full time Browns employee. This has in particular caused friction with Eliot Wolf as he thought he'd have that "right hand man assistant GM" role and it seems that Scot will have a powerful permanent position after the draft unless something changes and problems can be worked out. Right now, John Dorsey is supposedly selling Jimmy that Baker is the top prospect as identified by Analytics and Traditional Scouting methodology with Paul DePo in his corner. Dorsey and Scot were blown away by Baker's combine interview while coaches thought he was too defensive. As a temporary compromise just to keep the peace while much draft work is still to be done, the coaches and personnel execs are now strongly discussing that they will take their number 1 player on the big board Bradley Chubb at #1 overall and their QB at 4. Which to me makes ABSOLUTELY NO FU**ING sense at all when we need a QB.....but again I digress... Distraught on Skype I immediately asked my b.o.i. " if this was all a joke" and "how certain are you that this isnt just elegant disinformation on the Browns part"? He told me it's absolutely not a joke and the same spycraft dept heads (some of the best in the business) that he trusted in NY all those years have the Giants new personnel staff convinced that it is real enough to the point where everyone on the Giants staff except for new GM Dave Gettleman and an assistant staffer are operating as if it's true and they'll have their pick of all the QBs at 2 or at worst Baker Mayfield will go 1. I've jokingly been saying Baker would go 1 but secretly believed Hue and co AND Dorsey all loved Sam Darnold at 1. I never even considered the thought that Josh Rosen wouldve been the unanimous selection among the coaches. My only hope now is that some compromise is struck and we go Chubb at 1 and Rosen makes it to 4 based on the personality thing, or Hue and the coaches win out and we take Rosen at 1 to guarantee we get our QB, or that meathead Dorsey is running the most sophisticated 4D chess misinformation game utilizing scouts, coaches, and personnel people as pawns to fool the scouting community. I'll hold my breath on the latter. Say goodbye to Darnold for real my friends. He's the hero we deserved...I'll never stop believing that based on the tape review. It just really sucks... I'm now going to watch Rosen again and try to 1. convince myself I like him more than Darnold and 2. Somehow the coaches desires win out...wish me luck.. Oh...P.S. I hate-love (more hate than anything) this sh** team with all my heart.. They need wins. Who can get them there faster? An accurate quarterback. Rosen will think Tyrod can’t hold his jock and win the starting job by mid season. 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Bruce Harper Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 If there is any truth to this post, they have too many cooks and need to have their power centralized with one or two people. I still think they will take Darnold at 1. They would likely get Chubb at 4 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Im not sure how I’m going to feel when we take Mayfield with Rosen still on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 The informant: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 What was that guy's name from Tennesee who's kid played guard at Vanderbilt and was drafted by the Bears? He made like, the 2005 and 6 drafts fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Bonzo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, HessStation said: Bonzo? OMG...was there a long-ass thread called Bonzpolooza? It's been a while but that rings a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, HessStation said: Bonzo? His..........name............was...........Bongo......I.....think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: His..........name............was...........Bongo He wore a diamond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Im not sure how I’m going to feel when we take Mayfield with Rosen still on the board. I am. You will feel just like the guy who is the recipient in Sourcewox's post above. I will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Wait so um. He abbreviates brother in law b.o.i.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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