Cimini radio hit this morning

[IndianaJet]

8 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Why do you know this?

 

[southparkcpa]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

Jets fans are experts on having fun in the offseason

ive said this before I'll say it again Vegas has this team at 7 wins 

if you think they are going to do better than that, go to any casino in NJ or PA and make the bet 

 

9 wins.....  just my opinion.

[Savage69]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

i am who the Jets made me  

BS I've been a fan since the 1960 Titans and I'm not a Debbie downer.. You have had snowflake in you all the time, retreat to your safe space when the season starts  with a therapy dog..

[ljr]

Why do you know this?

Removed my upvote with that last sentence ... no gay


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[JetsFanatic]

2 hours ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

Don't forget to mention what huge clown ass Weiss was making digs on the Jets with EVERY comment! I really can't stand that obnoxious fat ass failure of a coach!!

I've picked up on that, Charlie Weis is very anti-Jets.  I'm not sure what his problem with organization is but he clearly does not like them.

[Bruce Harper]

41 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

He's atrocious. I actually listen to music again driving to work. Fat Charlie is terrible on the radio, zero insight beyond reminding people that he used to be with the Patriots and repeating ad nauseum that he coached "Tawmy".....awful. Shocked he's still on the air. 

After Weiss failed at Notre Dame, Belicheat had multiple opportunities to rehire the guy and never did. 

And I like Bruce but the Bon Jovi stuff makes me change the dial quickly.

[Bruce Harper]

30 minutes ago, Eaton Beaver said:

and you can go and bet the under.....good luck

If that's real, that guy must have died.  Hard to watch.

[Bruce Harper]

9 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

I've picked up on that, Charlie Weis is very anti-Jets.  I'm not sure what his problem with organization is but he clearly does not like them.

He identifies with two organizations that hate the Jets:  The Pats and the Giants.

[NJ]

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

Our offense should be materially better.

2nd year for Darnold.

Didn't lose anyone worth mentioning (other than the All-Pro Kicker).

Bell is a massive upgrade.

Crowder is a huge weapon underneath.

O-Line may not be what I want, but HAS been improved.

And Gase is supposed to be a QB/Offensive genius.

There is every reason to have high expectations for the performance of this offense this year.  

What about the addition of a "spirited" DC who has a proven track record of going after people? (You're next Tom Tom) 

[slats]

13 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

I've picked up on that, Charlie Weis is very anti-Jets.  I'm not sure what his problem with organization is but he clearly does not like them.

I think Weis started hating the Jets when Parcells took play-calling away from him. He left with Belichick and testified against Parcells (I think) for tampering Curtis Martin. 

[Savage69]

1 minute ago, slats said:

I think Weis started hating the Jets when Parcells took play-calling away from him. He left with Belichick and testified against Parcells (I think) for tampering Curtis Martin. 

That was both Martin and the Tuna coming up with a poison pill that screwed the Pats.. And some say Cumar had integrity?? LOL

[Long Island Leprechaun]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

we had every reason to have high expectations in 1999 as well 

they are the Jets... like Artie Lange says, they are going to **** us 

it's just a matter of how 

Well, so much for the positivity. That didn't last more than a web-minute.

[Warfish]

6 minutes ago, NJ said:

What about the addition of a "spirited" DC who has a proven track record of going after people? (You're next Tom Tom) 

You'll notice I was specifically discussing the Offense in that post.

But yes, we should also be meaningfully better on Defense as well:

A pro D-Co with a nasty disposition and take no laziness attitude.

Leo in a contract year.

New D-Tackle considered, it seems, the BAP of the Draft.  

New EDGE kid, we'll see if he is his resume or his workout (I was against his pick, I wanted the guy the Pats took, but his resume IS very good, just his workout was craptastic).

Mosely, a 4-time All-Pro LB.

Tru Johnson couldn't be any worse, could he?  Even a minor bounce-back would be good.

Adams is a very good Safety, and Maye is better (when healthy) than alot give credit.

We're on-paper better at a number of spots, is some cases materially better.

Again, and I've said this all along, we are a better team than last year, with better coaching, and we have reason to expect (nay, demand) a more competitive product than we've had the last few years. 

This is not a 4 win roster by any stretch.  This is a competitive roster, talent-wise.  We SHOULD compete. 

[jetstream23]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

materially better than 4-12 doesn't mean 12-4

side note there is something called the sophomore slump when it comes to Sam Darnold. He's still 22. 

Adam Gase looks like a lunatic who escaped from Pilgrim State 

they play the cheatriots twice 

there's tons of reasons to expect disaster this board/fanbase are experts at hiding themselves from these reasons 

Most of the world expects 7 or 8 wins out of the Jets.  I think that's a fair expectation.  IF we assume that and I ask the following question what would your answer be...

Is there a better that the Jets will win 6 games or fewer, OR is there a better chance they win 9 or more?

Personally, I think 7 wins are in the bank.  That's a dangerous thing to say but even if we had the same coaching staff as last year I think a second year Sam Darnold coupled with an infusion of free agent and Draft talent would get the Jets from 4 wins to 7 alone.  Upgrading both the HC and DC pushes that number hight.  JMHO.

[Scott Dierking]

38 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

BS I've been a fan since the 1960 Titans and I'm not a Debbie downer.. You have had snowflake in you all the time, retreat to your safe space when the season starts  with a therapy dog..

Even with the "FlimFlam Man" you were positive.

[jetstream23]

14 minutes ago, Warfish said:

You'll notice I was specifically discussing the Offense in that post.

But yes, we should also be meaningfully better on Defense as well:

A pro D-Co with a nasty disposition and take no laziness attitude.

Leo in a contract year.

New D-Tackle considered, it seems, the BAP of the Draft.  

New EDGE kid, we'll see if he is his resume or his workout (I was against his pick, I wanted the guy the Pats took, but his resume IS very good, just his workout was craptastic).

Mosely, a 4-time All-Pro LB.

Tru Johnson couldn't be any worse, could he?  Even a minor bounce-back would be good.

Adams is a very good Safety, and Maye is better (when healthy) than alot give credit.

We're on-paper better at a number of spots, is some cases materially better.

Again, and I've said this all along, we are a better team than last year, with better coaching, and we have reason to expect (nay, demand) a more competitive product than we've had the last few years. 

This is not a 4 win roster by any stretch.  This is a competitive roster, talent-wise.  We SHOULD compete. 

Good post!  I think the question will become sustainability.  IF the Jets have a good season and show big improvement, win 8 or 9 games or so, etc. then what do 2020 and beyond look like?  Is this an ascending team that can sustain winning (again, assuming they become a .500+ team first) or would they become what we've seen in the past with our Jets.....a team that bounces higher for a year or two (1998-2000.....2009-2010.....2015....?) but then can't keep it rolling?  That's my biggest fear, that they become a "one hit wonder" again.  I want to see a team that sustains success like...

• The Packers were above .500 for 8 consecutive years and then fired the HC because a 7 win season following a 6 win season wasn't good enough
• Since 2002, the Colts have only had 2 LOSING SEASONS.  That's crazy!
• For 15 STRAIGHT YEARS....the Steelers haven't been below .500.  That's crazy!
• Since 2004, the Chargers have only had 3 losing seasons
• Don't ask about the damn Patriots

How wonderful would it be to get to the point that 8-8 is a big disappointment and looks like an anomaly?

 

 

[JetFreak89]

Not to sound like an advertisement but I took advantage of the $500 risk free bet by FanDuel and put $500 on the over for the season. Will make our 8+ wins even more special this year. Go Jets! 

[UnknownJetFan]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

we had every reason to have high expectations in 1999 as well 

they are the Jets... like Artie Lange says, they are going to **** us 

it's just a matter of how 

Isn't Artie the one with no nose left due to drug use?. Sounds like he f**ked himself.

[UnknownJetFan]

26 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Good post!  I think the question will become sustainability.  IF the Jets have a good season and show big improvement, win 8 or 9 games or so, etc. then what do 2020 and beyond look like?  Is this an ascending team that can sustain winning (again, assuming they become a .500+ team first) or would they become what we've seen in the past with our Jets.....a team that bounces higher for a year or two (1998-2000.....2009-2010.....2015....?) but then can't keep it rolling?  That's my biggest fear, that they become a "one hit wonder" again.  I want to see a team that sustains success like...

• The Packers were above .500 for 8 consecutive years and then fired the HC because a 7 win season following a 6 win season wasn't good enough
• Since 2002, the Colts have only had 2 LOSING SEASONS.  That's crazy!
• For 15 STRAIGHT YEARS....the Steelers haven't been below .500.  That's crazy!
• Since 2004, the Chargers have only had 3 losing seasons
• Don't ask about the damn Patriots

How wonderful would it be to get to the point that 8-8 is a big disappointment and looks like an anomaly?

 

 

Key is the new GM has to be depth some of which become starters at one point. We currently cannot afford serious injuries at most positions or the backups at C, OT, TE, OLB, CB, i.e all critical positions, we are going to drop out of a competitive mode or Darnold will be trying to hard to compensate for the losses.  

[rangerous]

4 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Still 15 lbs. heavier that Darron Lee 

polite is still a young and so has room to grow without doing anything stupid.  hopefully he'll be way better than mauldin was.  maybe he'll be as good as pace.

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Probably no one.  It simply doesn't worry me, if I were being honest.  I'm far more worried about the FG kicker tbqh.

It's nice to have so little to be worried about that we're obsessive over kick returner instead of QB, RB, TE or WR.

I have faith someone will emerge and be an average enough kick returner, and that will be enough.

 

Also, not to be pedantic, but Kick Returner is Special Teams.  I was talking about the Offense.

I guess. When you cut an all pro then all we have to bank on is faith I suppose. 

Hopefully we're not in November pissed at how a couple games got away because of special teams. 

[jetstream23]

11 minutes ago, rangerous said:

polite is still a young and so has room to grow without doing anything stupid.  hopefully he'll be way better than mauldin was.  maybe he'll be as good as pace.

 

I would sign up for that.  Calvin Pace was a very good player, a little underrated in my opinion.

[Savage69]

54 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Even with the "FlimFlam Man" you were positive.

I never liked the Flim Flam BBQ man but I did like when we crushed Peyton's Colts in the playoffs..

[32EBoozer]

23 minutes ago, rangerous said:

polite is still a young and so has room to grow without doing anything stupid.  hopefully he'll be way better than mauldin was.  maybe he'll be as good as pace.

The RIP  was for Darron Lee...... not Polite whom I am so happy to have!

 

[isired]

That was both Martin and the Tuna coming up with a poison pill that screwed the Pats.. And some say Cumar had integrity?? LOL

Some even say Cumar was a stat-compiler, not a great back - can you believe that?!?!

[GREENBEAN]

2 hours ago, IndianaJet said:

Weiss is so terrible on the radio.  If you listen closely, you can hear him breathing heavy and gasping for breath. 

Sounds like the soundtrack to gay porn.

I've thought about that many times.

[Bugg]

If Darnold and Bell are healthy and they get decent OL play, plausible they could be in the running for a WC berth. Figure 8-11 wins has to be the ball park. Don't know if I'll get near a spots book anytime soon but the U/O of 7 looks like a solid over bet. 

Gase is a "lunatic" only in comparison to Bowles, who is borderline comatose. The offense is going to be materially better, and the defense is going to have  a plan. Williams/Gase by not being Bowles/Bates/Rodgers is a serious upgrade. That doesn't mean they'll compete with the Chiefs and Pats, but it's going to be a step forward.

Gas gets that you have to be waaayyy more focused on scoring points than Bowles ever was. And further Williams knows he has to get to the QB.Not sure the football media gets that this team has been coached by idiots spare briefly Mangini since Parcells retired. We've had coach after coach babble about toughness trying to win 13-10 in an era of exploding offense.  Gase is something very different. 

 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

I guess. When you cut an all pro then all we have to bank on is faith I suppose. 

Hopefully we're not in November pissed at how a couple games got away because of special teams. 

I think you're being very concerned over a very tertiary issue, tbqh.

Especially before we know who our returner will be this year.

I'm far more interested in if we'll put up ~15th ranked or better Offenses and Defenses, I got to tell you.

Sure, Specials are important.  But like I said, if we're worried about Specials, that itself says alot about Offense and Defense.

[Sperm Edwards]

4 hours ago, slats said:

I'm not a gambler, but I think that's a good bet. Jets underachieved last year. Recent history says they generally do well in the first year with a new coach. Safe to assume Gase and Williams are lighting a much hotter fire under these players' asses than they're used to. Five-hundred or better seems like a legitimate possibility. 

And I'd rather be an expert on having fun than an expert on being a stick in the mud covered with a wet blanket. 

+1

I don't get people like that. Makes no sense to me.

[Mavericknyc1980]

1 hour ago, JetFreak89 said:

Not to sound like an advertisement but I took advantage of the $500 risk free bet by FanDuel and put $500 on the over for the season. Will make our 8+ wins even more special this year. Go Jets! 

Can We still get in on it.

[Sperm Edwards]

4 hours ago, bitonti said:

This isn't CFB no one cares if it's a 1 point loss or a 100 point loss

the schedule im not sure is weaker. there are at least 3 teams in the NFC east better than them, the Steelers will take over our stadium and at Baltmore sucks. they don't travel far but it's a tough schedule 

This is just not a true statement.

Duh a 1 point loss counts the same in terms of W/L record. But when talking about a team coming off three straight 4-5 win seasons, I'd wager quite a lot of people care if we've improved from getting blown out to narrowly losing games. Means the team is closer and needs far less overall, and can focus on specific areas rather than a general "all but these 5 guys suck" on the roster. Further, if the roster is still meh, but we're hanging close with NE & other playoff teams it means Gase may be the HC we're looking for and he just needs some more roster talent than he had in year 1. 

Everyone cares. When almost nobody cares about the Jets is when we're getting blown out with regularity. 

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

I appreciate Vegas generally gets it right, and I agree with them, 7 wins is a pretty solid line for betting purposes.  

Doesn't mean we won't win 8.  Or more.  Every year teams beat (or way under perform) the odds.  

We'll just have to see.

this "line of reasoning" basically says to me you didn't think about it as hard as Vegas does

"Generally" and "pretty solid" are vagueries. Hopes if you will

this is how to make that bet: go to the schedule, look at each and every game and find 8 wins. 

and it's true no one truly knows the future some of these teams are going to be better than they seem at this point, some will be worse

but there are certain historical trends like playing the Pats 2x and never winning vs Philadelphia, there's no good way to look at those matchups and write W next to the line item  

side note I am not betting big but I am betting alot and most games I can't find a logical reason to bet on this team 

it's my way to deal with expectations. If i'm not willing to put a dollar on them winning, then I'm not willing to get my hopes up 

"the value of expectations" 

 

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Isn't Artie the one with no nose left due to drug use?. Sounds like he f**ked himself.

proving Artie Lange is a ****up isn't the same as proving we should have faith in the New York Jets

"Jets fans: murdering the messenger since 1962" 

[section314]

2 hours ago, Bruce Harper said:

After Weiss failed at Notre Dame, Belicheat had multiple opportunities to rehire the guy and never did. 

And I like Bruce but the Bon Jovi stuff makes me change the dial quickly.

Seriously...other than 40ish divorced chicks, who listens to that sh*t?

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

 1 point loss counts the same in terms of W/L record. But when talking about a team coming off three straight 4-5 win seasons, I'd wager quite a lot of people care if we've improved from getting blown out to narrowly losing games. Means the team is closer and needs far less overall,  

The history says you'd lose that wager 

in 2014 the Jets lose to the Pats at home 17-16. Pats go on to win SB XLIX

in 2016 the Jets lose the pats at home 22-17. Pats go on to win SB LI 

 

these days fans are telling themselves losing close is a step forward because of Sam Darnold but spoiler alert it's just more losing