Would you support a “blow it up” offseason

[SummerofSam14]

If Douglas after a year of evaluating this roster determines that it cannot be fixed during Darnolds rookie contract in a way that puts the organization in a good spot long term would you have any issues with a Miami Dolphins offseason?

1) Don’t re-sign anyone

2) Don’t sign anyone good

3) Trade Jamal Adams for 2020-2021 draft capital?

The idea would be to try to stockpile young talent in the draft, and evaluate Sam Darnold. After year 3 if he’s the guy he should be able to elevate a bad roster to mediocrity. If he can’t the Jets could be in position for Trevor Lawrence.

Also...start fresh in 2021 without Gase. 

[Beerfish]

If they were going to do this they would have traded Quinnen and perhaps Adams at the trade deadline.

As for blowing it up we we are already blown up essentially as the team has so little talent in many of the key positions.

[SummerofSam14]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

If they were going to do this they would have traded Quinnen and perhaps Adams at the trade deadline.

As for blowing it up we we are already blown up essentially as the team has so little talent in many of the key positions.

Could still trade quinnen and Jamal in the offseason. My point would to not actively try to improve this year and collect assets for the future. Mike McCagnans 3 year rebuild was a big fail so give Douglas a shot at it. Sucks for us as fans, but do you want be the Knicks?

[TuscanyTile2]

35 minutes ago, SummerofSam14 said:

If Douglas after a year of evaluating this roster determines that it cannot be fixed during Darnolds rookie contract in a way that puts the organization in a good spot long term would you have any issues with a Miami Dolphins offseason?

1) Don’t re-sign anyone

2) Don’t sign anyone good

3) Trade Jamal Adams for 2020-2021 draft capital?

The idea would be to try to stockpile young talent in the draft, and evaluate Sam Darnold. After year 3 if he’s the guy he should be able to elevate a bad roster to mediocrity. If he can’t the Jets could be in position for Trevor Lawrence.

Also...start fresh in 2021 without Gase. 

I'll support whatever Joe D wants to do as long as we're keeping Sam.

[CSNY]

I do not believe a total blow up is necessary because there is some talent on the squad now  Fixing the O LINE is the most important thing that must be done this off season and add a high quality pass rusher These additions on this roster in my opinion will go along way to sustainable success. 

[Warfish]

41 minutes ago, SummerofSam14 said:

If Douglas after a year of evaluating this roster determines that it cannot be fixed during Darnolds rookie contract in a way that puts the organization in a good spot long term would you have any issues with a Miami Dolphins offseason?

1) Don’t re-sign anyone

2) Don’t sign anyone good

3) Trade Jamal Adams for 2020-2021 draft capital?

The idea would be to try to stockpile young talent in the draft, and evaluate Sam Darnold. After year 3 if he’s the guy he should be able to elevate a bad roster to mediocrity. If he can’t the Jets could be in position for Trevor Lawrence.

Also...start fresh in 2021 without Gase. 

Um...nope.

Not really much to debate here, really.

[Beerfish]

I actually have a sneaking suspicion that our owner promised jamal he will not be traded.

[Creepy Lurker]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I actually have a sneaking suspicion that our owner promised jamal he will not be traded.

There’s no way out smart owners would meddle......

[deucebag]

44 minutes ago, SummerofSam14 said:

If Douglas after a year of evaluating this roster determines that it cannot be fixed during Darnolds rookie contract in a way that puts the organization in a good spot long term would you have any issues with a Miami Dolphins offseason?

1) Don’t re-sign anyone

2) Don’t sign anyone good

3) Trade Jamal Adams for 2020-2021 draft capital?

The idea would be to try to stockpile young talent in the draft, and evaluate Sam Darnold. After year 3 if he’s the guy he should be able to elevate a bad roster to mediocrity. If he can’t the Jets could be in position for Trevor Lawrence.

Also...start fresh in 2021 without Gase. 

If Sam doesnt get mono and if CJ doesnt get hurt, this is a mediocre team already - should have been an 8/9 win team with this roster.  I'll even go as far as saying if we don't sign Kahlil that gives us another win right there.  

If we draft competently and spend wisely we should contend for the playoffs next year, meaning our goal if we add the right pieces is 10 wins considering the schedule.

Blowing it up would mean only one thing - giving up on Darnold.  You cannot develop a QB with a sandlot caliber OL and below average weapons.   

Hopefully Douglas understands how to draft and how to value players.  We cannot select an OT at #10 (assuming thats where we end up picking) unless that OL is a franchise LT - which will not be available - so the value pick will most likely be a WR.

 

My free agent targets:

 

OT Anthony Costanzo

OT Jack Conklin

OLB Matthew Judon

OLB Bud Dupree

CB James Bradburry

 

Must re-sign Robby, Poole and Lewis

Cut Williamson, Winters, Henry Anderson, McClendon, and obviously Trumaine Johnson.

 

Roster:

 

QB Darnold

QB Draft Pick (4th or 5th round, serves as future insurance for Darnold)  Jordan Love?

RB Bell (untradable)

RB Powell  (showed enough to give him one more year)

RB Josh Adams

TE  Griffin

TE  Herndon

TE  Wesco

WR Lamb

WR Robby

WR Crowder

WR Draft Pick

LT Conklin

G Lewis

C Harrison

G Draft Pick

RT Costanzo

DE Phillips

NT Fatukasi

DE Williams

OLB Dupree

ILB CJ

ILB Cashman/Burgess

OLB Judon

CB Austin

S Maye

S Adams

CB Bradburry

CB Poole

CB Roberts

CB Draft Pick

 

Draft

Rnd 1  WR

Rnd 2 OG

Rnd 3 CB

Rnd 3 C

Rnd 4 WR/KR

Rnd 5 QB

Rnd 6  RB

[Larz]

Knocking Darnold doesn’t makes Jones any better bro 

[SAR I]

Are you crazy?  "Blow it up"?  If there is one thing we've learned from this injury-riddled season it's that our roster depth isn't as bad as we thought.

We're about to finish the season 6-2 against a group of teams that are at or above our level.  That's something you build on.  Not blow up.

SAR I

[Vudu]

We’ve been blowing it up for 50 years


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[CanadienJetsFan]

The “Suck for Sam “ season was our blow it up season.

Enough already. 

[New York Mick]

49 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Are you crazy?  "Blow it up"?  If there is one thing we've learned from this injury-riddled season it's that our roster depth isn't as bad as we thought.

We're about to finish the season 6-2 against a group of teams that are at or above our level.  That's something you build on.  Not blow up.

SAR I

So they went 6 - 6 since Darnold came back (if they beat Buffalo who has zero reason to play important players). Let’s send up the fireworks. They beat 1 team with a winning record that was going back and forth between backup rookie QBs and they managed to lose to a few of the worst teams in the NFL as well.  
It’s party time. 

[New York Mick]

6 minutes ago, DLJ said:

We’ve been blowing it up for 50 years


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That sounds like some of the posters sex lives. 

[kdels62]

Rebuilds in the NFL don’t ave to involve tanking. If we blow it up it’s an indictment of Darnold and he’s be on the trade block. 

[DJF71]

3 hours ago, SummerofSam14 said:

If Douglas after a year of evaluating this roster determines that it cannot be fixed during Darnolds rookie contract in a way that puts the organization in a good spot long term would you have any issues with a Miami Dolphins offseason?

1) Don’t re-sign anyone

2) Don’t sign anyone good

3) Trade Jamal Adams for 2020-2021 draft capital?

The idea would be to try to stockpile young talent in the draft, and evaluate Sam Darnold. After year 3 if he’s the guy he should be able to elevate a bad roster to mediocrity. If he can’t the Jets could be in position for Trevor Lawrence.

Also...start fresh in 2021 without Gase. 

Darnold already elevated a horrendous roster to mediocrity.  This team wouldn't have won a single game without him.

[Skeet Ulrich]

- there's nothing to blow up

- the Jets need to compete right now while Darnold's on his rookie contract(in case you haven't noticed, the only teams to win Super Bowls the past several years are teams who still have their QB on a cost-controlled contract OR have Tom Brady/Peyton Manning). You can't forfeit another year.

 

 

 

[SummerofSam14]

4 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

- there's nothing to blow up

- the Jets need to compete right now while Darnold's on his rookie contract(in case you haven't noticed, the only teams to win Super Bowls the past several years are teams who still have their QB on a cost-controlled contract OR have Tom Brady/Peyton Manning). You can't forfeit another year.

 

 

 

Blowing it up is trading all of the players with value for draft capital (Jamal, Quinnen, Marcus Maye, LeVeon) and sitting out the first wave of free agency (let Anderson, Jenkins, and Poole walk). Keep in mind the Jets would receive 3 comp picks in the 2021 draft. 

This idea that the Jets are anywhere close to contending is absolutely laughable. The 6-10/7-9 record is lipstick on a pig. They are very much a 3-13/4-12 team against most schedules. 

[morny]

We 'blew it up' and started from scratch in 2017. If we do it again it's disgraceful. We should be trying to compete, if for no other reason than this would just give Gase extra excuses and reasons to stay here a number of years. 

 

We should be looking to overhaul the OL in the off-season (the Bills managed it last year, so with smart GM'ing and coaching it's very possible), and we need to add a pass-rush and a CB. Basically, improve the actual important positions.

 

We have a decent number of draft picks and healthy FA spend, and will likely trade away Bell (because our genius HC can't utilise a HoF running-back into 'his' offence) for more draft capital.

In light of all the above, there is absolutely no excuse for having a poor year next year - we should be looking at 9 wins minimum, or at the very least we should be an entertaining team to watch who compete and put up points. At the minute we're absolutely rancid to watch, so dull, slow and insipid. With an OC who is 'coaching where football is going', that shouldn't happen. 

 

If we start a 'tear-down' this off-season then there's no point. We're never going to have a perfect situation because no NFL team does - our roster is okay, with the right additions could be much better than okay. It's the coaching that needs to come together. 

[Hael]

If you guys sit down and do the math on our roster and cap situation, you’ll quickly realize how little money we have and how a fair amount of roster churn is inevitable.  We will have a pretty significantly different team next year and likely a ton of dead money.  

We have room for about two big ticket FAs.  Only one would give us  money to purchase more depth, two is probably necessary to stabilize the OL.  Note that this involves Robbie Anderson and Poole as they will be up there in the luxury department and would involve sacrificing OL FAs. We could keep them, but it will be painful.

Every other position will need to be found after the first round of FAs or alternatively traded for or found in the draft.

if we could get a team to take Leveon, that would help a lot and would allow us to resign Anderson or Poole, but hard to get someone to take that contract.

The OL cap situation will be very hard to do, so will finding a QB2 and a WR1 and a CB1.  We haven’t even talked about depth, particularly on the offense.

please let’s not pretend this is an easy task for a GM and then put up fire Douglas signs when it doesn’t quite get there after week 1.  He’s working with a crappy situation.

[Creepy Lurker]

9 minutes ago, Hael said:

If you guys sit down and do the math on our roster and cap situation, you’ll quickly realize how little money we have and how a fair amount of roster churn is inevitable.  We will have a pretty significantly different team next year and likely a ton of dead money.  

We have room for about two big ticket FAs.  Only one would give us  money to purchase more depth, two is probably necessary to stabilize the OL.  Note that this involves Robbie Anderson and Poole as they will be up there in the luxury department and would involve sacrificing OL FAs. We could keep them, but it will be painful.

Every other position will need to be found after the first round of FAs or alternatively traded for or found in the draft.

if we could get a team to take Leveon, that would help a lot and would allow us to resign Anderson or Poole, but hard to get someone to take that contract.

The OL cap situation will be very hard to do, so will finding a QB2 and a WR1 and a CB1.  We haven’t even talked about depth, particularly on the offense.

please let’s not pretend this is an easy task for a GM and then put up fire Douglas signs when it doesn’t quite get there after week 1.  He’s working with a crappy situation.

Agreed but if Douglas s smart and can get good pieces at the correct positions (OL and anythjng that helps Sam), then Sam can elevate the team. It’s the best strategy in regards to value and where we are at as a team. It’s worth a shot but a shame that we are wasting Sam’s rookie contract like this.

I have no issues with blowing things up and I’m a realist about this roster but we are stuck in an awkward place rosterwise and have no choice but to focus on supporting Sam so he can elevate the team while we buy time and build up the rest of the roster.

[BCJet]

Trade Quinnen Williams????  That would come with $16 million in dead money and a negative cap savings.  Why exactly would we do that?  Because he didnt get enough sacks as a rookie?

[EM31]

Adams is overrated.  If someone insists on overpaying....

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

No way do I want Gase to have another excuse year, IMHO blowing it up includes the QB and HC

2020 is the ultimatum year 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

10 hours ago, New York Mick said:

That sounds like some of the posters sex lives. 

[PepPep]

12 hours ago, deucebag said:

If Sam doesnt get mono and if CJ doesnt get hurt, this is a mediocre team already - should have been an 8/9 win team with this roster.  I'll even go as far as saying if we don't sign Kahlil that gives us another win right there.  

If we draft competently and spend wisely we should contend for the playoffs next year, meaning our goal if we add the right pieces is 10 wins considering the schedule.

Blowing it up would mean only one thing - giving up on Darnold.  You cannot develop a QB with a sandlot caliber OL and below average weapons.   

Hopefully Douglas understands how to draft and how to value players.  We cannot select an OT at #10 (assuming thats where we end up picking) unless that OL is a franchise LT - which will not be available - so the value pick will most likely be a WR.

 

My free agent targets:

 

OT Anthony Costanzo

OT Jack Conklin

OLB Matthew Judon

OLB Bud Dupree

CB James Bradburry

 

Must re-sign Robby, Poole and Lewis

Cut Williamson, Winters, Henry Anderson, McClendon, and obviously Trumaine Johnson.

 

Roster:

 

QB Darnold

QB Draft Pick (4th or 5th round, serves as future insurance for Darnold)  Jordan Love?

RB Bell (untradable)

RB Powell  (showed enough to give him one more year)

RB Josh Adams

TE  Griffin

TE  Herndon

TE  Wesco

WR Lamb

WR Robby

WR Crowder

WR Draft Pick

LT Conklin

G Lewis

C Harrison

G Draft Pick

RT Costanzo

DE Phillips

NT Fatukasi

DE Williams

OLB Dupree

ILB CJ

ILB Cashman/Burgess

OLB Judon

CB Austin

S Maye

S Adams

CB Bradburry

CB Poole

CB Roberts

CB Draft Pick

 

Draft

Rnd 1  WR

Rnd 2 OG

Rnd 3 CB

Rnd 3 C

Rnd 4 WR/KR

Rnd 5 QB

Rnd 6  RB

I'm sorry but this is pretty unrealistic and there are some perplexing roster moves. 

So the Jets get Dupree and Judon, two of the best young pass rushers to hit FA? They get both? They get two of the top young OTs to hit FA? again, both of them? And they get one of the top CBs in FA? While also retaining Poole and Robby? 

Are there any cap ramifications for cutting H.Anderson? He has a big contract. 

How do you cut Williamson and not Roberts? Roberts is absolutely awful and will free up 6mil with zero cap hit. At least Williamson gives you a dangerous pair with Mosley and gives you some flexibility when it comes to letting Hewitt walk as a FA. 

The Jets draft Lamb, who you assume will be there at 10 (far from a given) but a Franchise LT will not be there? I guess it depends on what you view as a 'Franchise LT'...is it anyone other than A.Thomas? Because I think there are easily at least 4 potential Pro Bowl OTs (maybe they end up starting as LT maybe RTs in the NFL) in this draft, who are also potentially plug and play OTs in year one. A.Thomas, Wirfs, Wills, A.Jackson, Leatherwood. And a handful of other ones that will require some additional development. 

 

[DonCorleone]

13 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I'll support whatever Joe D wants to do as long as we're keeping Sam.

Blowing up a team but Keeping Sam, would get him destroyed. I say get rid of who needs to go, strengthen then OL and work up from there. 

[kevinc855]

14 hours ago, SummerofSam14 said:

If Douglas after a year of evaluating this roster determines that it cannot be fixed during Darnolds rookie contract in a way that puts the organization in a good spot long term would you have any issues with a Miami Dolphins offseason?

1) Don’t re-sign anyone

2) Don’t sign anyone good

3) Trade Jamal Adams for 2020-2021 draft capital?

The idea would be to try to stockpile young talent in the draft, and evaluate Sam Darnold. After year 3 if he’s the guy he should be able to elevate a bad roster to mediocrity. If he can’t the Jets could be in position for Trevor Lawrence.

Also...start fresh in 2021 without Gase. 

You realize we just did a blow up right? 

[Lith]

Focus of the offseason needs to be to protect Sam and surround him with weapons.  As long as the Jets believe in Darnold's potential to be a franchise QB, they have to commit to him this offseason. 

If we can move a player or two who are not part of the future and add some picks, fine.  But this is not the time to completely blow it up and start over again. 

[rangerous]

14 hours ago, SummerofSam14 said:

If Douglas after a year of evaluating this roster determines that it cannot be fixed during Darnolds rookie contract in a way that puts the organization in a good spot long term would you have any issues with a Miami Dolphins offseason?

1) Don’t re-sign anyone

2) Don’t sign anyone good

3) Trade Jamal Adams for 2020-2021 draft capital?

The idea would be to try to stockpile young talent in the draft, and evaluate Sam Darnold. After year 3 if he’s the guy he should be able to elevate a bad roster to mediocrity. If he can’t the Jets could be in position for Trevor Lawrence.

Also...start fresh in 2021 without Gase. 

that's just foolish.  first off blowing up the team at this stage will probably set darnold back a bunch.  the only way this should be contemplated if it's thought that darnold isn't the right qb for the future.  secondly, maybe this second half record is a fluke but it may also be that the players on the team have not been valued properly so there is a good group going into the future.  after all it's still a team game.  thirdly, if the players buy into gase's offense and williams defense then it will be a lot easier for them play in the coming years.  and with some solid draft picks they will be contenders much sooner than if they blew up the team.

talk like this seems to be focused only on getting rid of gase.  frankly this is the wrong move at this point.

[PepPep]

You can't blow up the roster and 'evaluate Darnold' properly. Its absurd to even suggest. If JD is going to blow it up this offseason that means he is giving up on Darnold, which means I am COMPLETELY against it. The Jets are not in position to draft a Franchise QB and there is no guarantee they will be in a position to draft one any time soon. 

I'm no expert but it doesn't take much to see Darnold's potential as a Franchise QB. If JD can't see it, that's on him. He needs to build a competitive team around Darnold and find a way to re-sign him, not blow up the team in the hopes of someday drafting another Franchise QB b/c he can't do his f-ing job.    

[Bruce Harper]

That would be silly.  The D is strong and will be stronger with Mosely and Williamson back and maybe one more CB.  On the other hand, if you want to "blow up" the OL, I'm all for it.

[Patriot Killa]

12 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

The “Suck for Sam “ season was our blow it up season.

Enough already. 

This^ 

you blow it up before you get the QB so you CAN get the QB (and support for him). You don’t take away the little bit of talent you have from an otherwise talentless team. 

Trading Jamal Adams — I can see where you ppl are coming from. 

Trading Bell without giving it a try behind a real OL? I don’t agree with. Not signing ANYONE back? Including the young guys who stepped up and have a future on our team? Nahhh. 

Not a smart idea. We need to build not tear down. 

[CTM]

Lets be honest, we'd all be better off if they just nuke'd the entire franchise out of existance