Popular Post BCJet Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 So connor rogers tweeted today that Saleh said LaFleur is coaching from the sideline because Zach would prefer he is down on the field so they can talk more easily. He followed that up by saying that having LeFleur upstairs in the coaches box is not something they are considering right now. I think this is a huge mistake by Saleh. LaFleur has said his preference is to be upstairs since he joined the Jets and after two weeks the offense has shown very little rhythm to the play calling. I understand its easier for Zach to talk to his OC if he's on the field and we obviously want him to develop, but if LaFleur sees the field better upstairs and is more comfortable as a play caller up there, then I think we are doing Zach more harm then good forcing him to the sideline. We've got young players and young coaches, and I get that some decisions might not work, but Saleh has to be able to see that if something isnt working, he has to adapt, and this seems like a situation where they should change course and see if it helps. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 The guy calling plays should be upstairs, if the QB needs a guy to talk to it should be Qb coach with occasional input fro oc from the booth. imo of course 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oatmeal Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 How about LaFleur out of the building, his terrible play calling and roster management screams Adam Gase and frankly I’m over it already. How many times have we seen this same sorry show? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Calling plays from the coaches box isn’t gonna stop Zach from making those bad throws. Lefluer has been fine. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, oatmeal said: How about LaFleur out of the building, his terrible play calling and roster management screams Adam Gase and frankly I’m over it already. How many times have we seen this same sorry show? Did Lafleur design four interception plays for Zach? Are you a troll? Lafleur doesn't manage the roster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paradis Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 somehow this is related to Mims. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 minute ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Did Lafleur design four interception plays for Zach? Are you a troll? Lafleur doesn't manage the roster. Why why why are some opinions trolling and others not? Are you a troll? Because IMO Zach is a rookie and he should’ve been benched wayyyy before int 4. You have a rookie QB in over his head talking to a rookie OC during a time of struggle, like what could the rookie OC really say? Most agree his play calling was terrible game 1 and his play calling was terrible yesterday because he still had Wilson slinging down the field with deep passing routes after int #2. We all cried for how the Jets mismanaged Darnold but have no problem with a rookie OC that is clearly in over his head grooming our young QB. Smfh and I’m the troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoot-Face Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 How about they just suspend LaFleur directly over the field Mission Impossible style? That way he can have a bird's eye view AND they can lower him down should Zach need a hug. Also, every time the team loses at Met Life, they can keep LaFleur's ass suspended there so the fans can come down onto the field and beat him with sticks like a pinata. 4 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 We'd be 2-0 if LaFleur was in a box. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KO91 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Not sure what the Jets were thinking entrusting Mike Lafluer to develop ZW. You’d think they’d find somebody with more experience. I guess Knapp was supposed to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 54 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The guy calling plays should be upstairs, if the QB needs a guy to talk to it should be Qb coach with occasional input fro oc from the booth. imo of course Unfortunately, that guy was killed in an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, SAR I said: We'd be 2-0 if LaFleur was in a box. SAR I Yeah, in the parking lot.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Why why why are some opinions trolling and others not? Are you a troll? Because IMO Zach is a rookie and he should’ve been benched wayyyy before int 4. You have a rookie QB in over his head talking to a rookie OC during a time of struggle, like what could the rookie OC really say? Most agree his play calling was terrible game 1 and his play calling was terrible yesterday because he still had Wilson slinging down the field with deep passing routes after int #2. We all cried for how the Jets mismanaged Darnold but have no problem with a rookie OC that is clearly in over his head grooming our young QB. Smfh and I’m the troll I'm still trying to figure out how LaFleur manages the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Unfortunately, that guy was killed in an accident. Knapp was a huge loss for this team but we still have a Qb Coach in Rob Calabrese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Matt Cavanaugh should be on the sideline and talking to Lafleur upstairs I don’t understand how the coaches can let Wilson thrown4 interceptions. I would think after 2 the passes get much fewer and shorter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Put people in best situation to succeed. If Lafleur feels more comfortable upstairs, why handicap him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green hat Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 The running game improved. O line improved. There were open receivers as well. A couple of calls could have been better but mostly our rookie QB made mistakes. Hopefully they can make some improvements each week. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 When did lafluer say this? I know during one jets drive he said he wasn't decided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets0712 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 In this situation, with this talented rookie QB, Josh Mc Cown would have been Perfect to have on the sidelines with Zach during the games. Either as a back up or QB Coach and have lafleur be upstairs in the boxSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Spoot-Face said: How about they just suspend LaFleur directly over the field Mission Impossible style? That way he can have a bird's eye view AND they can lower him down should Zach need a hug. Also, every time the team loses at Met Life, they can keep LaFleur's ass suspended there so the fans can come down onto the field and beat him with sticks like a pinata. This is the type of out-of-box thinking we need around here. No whining, just solutions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 i don't see how moving lafleur to the box can hurt. he should be able to better see the whole play and how it unfolds against the defense. cavanaugh can be on the sideline to talk directly with wilson. he's supposed to be the qb coach so he should know when wilson is throwing off his back foot or throwing into the wrong coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, rangerous said: i don't see how moving lafleur to the box can hurt. he should be able to better see the whole play and how it unfolds against the defense. cavanaugh can be on the sideline to talk directly with wilson. he's supposed to be the qb coach so he should know when wilson is throwing off his back foot or throwing into the wrong coverage. Exactly, if something isnt working, and a key employee is essentially saying he wants a change - why not try it out. Even with ipads and still-frame pictures, its enormously different being able to see the field from upstairs vs the sideline Im well aware that the OC cant stop the QB from throwing picks, so thanks to everyone for that part of the analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Doesn’t matter if ban rotten is giving up pressures on what 40% of the pass attempts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 10 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Did Lafleur design four interception plays for Zach? Are you a troll? Lafleur doesn't manage the roster. With this logic...an OC is never to blame for a poor offensive performance. Truth is, Zach was bad...but the OC absolutely could have been better. I haven't seen nearly enough from LaFleur to make any assesement whatsoever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 None of this matters if only 1 out of the 11 guys in offense executed properly. Stop hunting for fringe things to blame. The team absolutely does not execute. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said: Calling plays from the coaches box isn’t gonna stop Zach from making those bad throws. Lefluer has been fine. LeFleur was not fine. That was the worst playcalling/offensive strategy I've ever seen in a Jets game. And I'm including the Schotty years - his issues were calling plays his personnel were incapable of executing. First drive of the 2nd half, down 10 (that late fg doomed us .... games within the game) and we're 2nd & 28 bc of a penalty. And we have the QB who threw 3 INTs in the first half throwing 30 yards downfield? That was just one of many impatient and ridiculous decisions made. If you need to examine how a HOF coach does it - Belichick was happy to have Mac take sacks than throw into tight windows. We made it a very easy game for them to win. If I sound mad, I am. That said, we'll improve big time. We might have just had our rookie HC/OC/QB learn a season's worth of lessons in a single game. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, BCJet said: Exactly, if something isnt working, and a key employee is essentially saying he wants a change - why not try it out. Even with ipads and still-frame pictures, its enormously different being able to see the field from upstairs vs the sideline Im well aware that the OC cant stop the QB from throwing picks, so thanks to everyone for that part of the analysis. I agree. Before this season started this topic was brought up and I felt for a rookie OC calling plays for the first time it would be more beneficial to be upstairs calling the plays. It’s less chaotic up there and less distractions. You have Calabrese and Cavanaugh to hold Zach’s hand between drives on sideline. I think LaFluer has too much on his plate right now and he isn’t nearly experienced enough to handle this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92ShaunEllis92 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I’m in the same boat: highly disappointed and frustrated in how this team tends to limit/handicap itself and the only saving grace is that the rookie CS/OC/QB LEARN and DONT REPEAT their mistakes the next week. only caveat: We’ve seen and said this before in some form or another (rookie HC or QB) and the patience and hope starts to wear thin when you recognize the familiar signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 hours ago, oatmeal said: How about LaFleur out of the building, his terrible play calling and roster management screams Adam Gase and frankly I’m over it already. How many times have we seen this same sorry show? I'm with you, one bad game, youre out of the building. A whole new offense starting this week should change things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 The team played like hot garbage on offense Sunday. And we're blaming it on LaFleur being on the sideline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 And what I heard LaFleur say on One Jets Drive I think, was hes never been a coordinator he had no idea if he wanted to be in the booth or the sideline, tried the sideline and was fine with it. Wheres Josh McDaniels and most successful OCs? Who talked to Brady on the bench after every series? Nothing better than making rules based on the opposite of what we've been doing only and nothing more. We havent scored? LaFleur should be in the box. No one came up with this in the preseason of week 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Paradis said: somehow this is related to Mims. I think LaFleur is on the field because they got Mims up in the box FREE DENZEL! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Beerfish said: The guy calling plays should be upstairs, if the QB needs a guy to talk to it should be Qb coach with occasional input fro oc from the booth. imo of course goes both ways. Honestly for me, I preferred being on the sidelines when I've called stuff in, you just have more control and you can address things easier. Although you do get a great picture up in the booth so theres advantages both ways. It helps if you are calling plays from the field that you have a great rapport with the eyes in the booth and see things the same way. Thats the situation im in now where I am the eyes in the booth for the OC but we have designed the offense together so that we're on the same page with everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: I agree. Before this season started this topic was brought up and I felt for a rookie OC calling plays for the first time it would be more beneficial to be upstairs calling the plays. It’s less chaotic up there and less distractions. You have Calabrese and Cavanaugh to hold Zach’s hand between drives on sideline. I think LaFluer has too much on his plate right now and he isn’t nearly experienced enough to handle this. i think if we didnt tragically lose knapp he would have been on the field with Zach and Lafluer in the booth.. Not to say Cavanaugh cant do it, but im sure there isnt a level of familiarity with Zach yet that perhaps Knapp had being there for all of the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: With this logic...an OC is never to blame for a poor offensive performance. Truth is, Zach was bad...but the OC absolutely could have been better. I haven't seen nearly enough from LaFleur to make any assesement whatsoever. In this game, Zach Wilson's four interceptions derailed the game. In this game, Mike LaFleur is not to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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