NY Jets trade Elijah Moore to the Cleveland Browns: MERGED

[dbatesman]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

Dumbest ******* team in the league

[choon328]

5 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Would you be shocked if Moore gets 800+ yards this year and 5+ tds? I wouldn’t 

That's a replaceable WR level of production. You guys are acting like he's a #1

[BurntDice]

26 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

I don't really care what the value chart says.

They got nothing for him.  Dealt him just to move up the board from #74 to #42 not knowing who will be there?  This is a very shallow draft class, too, so the difference in player quality between #42 and and #74 is probably negligible.

I guess the pick is going to GB and now they will sign 50-year old Randall Cobb to play full-time in the slot.

This is stupid.  

I obviously want Rodgers, but it feels as though they are willing to sacrifice virtually anything to appease him just for a 1y rental.

From what I’ve seen this draft seems to be the opposite of shallow. Not that great in the first round, but a lot of good players overall 

[HighPitch]

We basically got nothing for moore.

in the rumor thread, ppl were speculating we get a 2 or at worst  a 3 but we essentially got nothing

[Stark]

16 minutes ago, Paradis said:

You and @Stark

im still on the Deandre Hopkins hope train 

I said in the other thread 

Hopkins (2nd rd pick from Moore trade)

Wilson

OBJ - incentivized deal 

Mims

Hardman 

 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

5 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Lazard was targeted 100 times in 15 games last year by Rodgers,  38th in targets per game in the NFL.  If you don't think he's going to be 2nd on the team in targets and yards in 2023 you're crazy. He wasn't handpicked by Rodgers to come here to be a blocker. 

That was out of necessity.  Christian Watson was hurt the first couple months, and Doubs got injured later in the season.

Lazard will get RZ looks and scraps.

GW could easily push for leading the entire NFL in targets.

 

[T0mShane]

Just now, dbatesman said:

Dumbest ******* team in the league

Hard Knocks will be poppin at least

[choon328]

1 minute ago, HighPitch said:

We basically got nothing for moore.

in the rumor thread, ppl were speculating we get a 2 or at worst  a 3 but we essentially got nothing

We got an early 3 based on the draft pick value chart

[Bobby816]

1 minute ago, HighPitch said:

We basically got nothing for moore.

in the rumor thread, ppl were speculating we get a 2 or at worst  a 3 but we essentially got nothing

Value wise we got a high 3rd for him

[Jets723]

3 minutes ago, JetsFlyer said:

GW and SG are the new faces of the franchise.  Moore didnt like it...  2nd goes to GB  ..lets roll

True.  

[Bronx]

1 minute ago, Stark said:

I said in the other thread 

Hopkins (2nd rd pick from Moore trade)

Wilson

OBJ - incentivized deal 

Mims

Hardman 

 

What about the Lizzard? 

[BurntDice]

2 minutes ago, choon328 said:

That's a replaceable WR level of production. You guys are acting like he's a #1

That’s solid #2 numbers…

[KRL]

A couple of major factors in this trade is this:

- Both Lazard and Hardman know what it takes to play with a big time QB

- Both Lazard and Hardman have played in playoff games

And as Moore showed last year he needs to be "coddled" and with Rodgers
for 1 or 2 years we don't have time for that

[MR.GANGGREEN28]

4 minutes ago, undertow said:

He is capping him at 3rd option slot receiver because every time he played on the outside or he ran a deep route he was blanketed and never open.....it's weird when people like you always accuse people of hating or making things personal when the criticism is strictly from on the field performance...you guys did the same thing with Z Wilson.

To my defense he literally just replied saying yeah he dislikes moore ? see my page 6 post for my rebuttal in regards to him getting open. He got open just fine.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

1 minute ago, BurntDice said:

From what I’ve seen this draft seems to be the opposite of shallow. Not that great in the first round, but a lot of good players overall 

That's not what I've heard.

And if there are "a lot of good players", then there's less incentive to trade up.

(Odds are this pick was necessary to acquire in order to secure the Rodgers deal.)

Meanwhile, everybody has been touting the '24 draft class.

[Jets723]

I am laughing at those who say we got “nothing” for Moore.  Did they think we were getting a first or second for him after his sh*tty play and attitude?  Let’s be honest even before last year we would’ve gotten probably a second at his highest value.  His rookie year was good but let’s not act like he had 1000 yds or even 800 yds

[choon328]

2 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

That was out of necessity.  Christian Watson was hurt the first couple months, and Doubs got injured later in the season.

Lazard will get RZ looks and maybe some scraps.

GW could easily push for leading the entire NFL in targets.

 

The last 3 games of the Packers season:

Lazard: 23 targets

Watson: 19 targets

Romeo: 12 targets

All played each game, Lazard was Rodgers #1 WR when they were all out there

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Hard Knocks will be poppin at least

No doubt. And by now it’s pretty clear that that’s the top priority.

[undertow]

1 minute ago, MR.GANGGREEN28 said:

To my defense he literally just replied saying yeah he dislikes moore ? see my page 6 post for my rebuttal in regards to him getting open. He got open just fine.

I saw that funny lol...although he never got open on the outside or deep which is why they were sliding him inside this year.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

8 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

Value wise we got a high 3rd for him

The draft chart is antiquated and stupid.

Something Jimmy Johnson drew up out of thin air ages ago that for some reason, teams still treat as sacrosanct.

[Beerfish]

4 minutes ago, KRL said:

A couple of major factors in this trade is this:

- Both Lazard and Hardman know what it takes to play with a big time QB

- Both Lazard and Hardman have played in playoff games

And as Moore showed last year he needs to be "coddled" and with Rodgers
for 1 or 2 years we don't have time for that

Rodgers is the lord emperor of being coddled.

[Bleedin Green]

It seems at this point even JD isn't a fan of his first 2 drafts (other than AVT).

When sending away a 2nd rounder after only 2 years for less, that's basically saying you're not expecting things to get any better.

If nothing else this will definitely go down as a very interesting year, that's for sure.

[Sammybighead]

I hate this trade, let me preface my next statement with that.

Everyone saying the value is equivalent to a third based on some trade chart is lost. The value is potentially picking an immediate contributor (most likely oline) for Rodgers vs a developmental guy

[undertow]

7 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

We basically got nothing for moore.

in the rumor thread, ppl were speculating we get a 2 or at worst  a 3 but we essentially got nothing

Pretty sure the value they got was a high 3. lol

[Lurker89]

29 minutes ago, JETS SB said:

Top 24? Wow. 

Yes a top 24 WR is a good thing to have on your roster considering there are 32 NFL teams. I'll just pretend your intentionally being an idiot.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hard Knocks will be poppin at least

I've seen the WaCos mentioned for HK.

That is the last team Goodell would ever sign off on exposing on HBO.

With Dan Snyder's dirty secrets, they want to keep that dumpster fire as shuttered as possible from public view.

[Tranquilo]

12 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Lazard was targeted 100 times in 15 games last year by Rodgers,  38th in targets per game in the NFL.  If you don't think he's going to be 2nd on the team in targets and yards in 2023 you're crazy. He wasn't handpicked by Rodgers to come here to be a blocker. 

The Packer receiver core was ass and no one made an impact until Watson at the end of the season. 

You mention the 100 targets but how many yards a game did he average? In the last 8 games of the year he couldn’t even break 70 yards on a team starving for playmakers.

he’s a nice possession receiver but not good enough to be a consistent #2 guy on a winning team. If you go further back, he’s done less with an actual playmaker on the team (Davante).

appreciate you responding, but you’re a ******* Neanderthal if you think I’m a troll because I agree with a Packer fan 

 

[Bobby816]

Watson going to make him Legit and it’ll be another guy we moved on from too fast

[JETS SB]

Just now, Lurker89 said:

Yes a top 24 WR is a good thing to have on your roster considering there are 32 NFL teams. I'll just pretend your intentionally being an idiot.

I am up to 40 WRs who are better and still have 6 more teams.  

[FidelioJet]

9 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Dumbest ******* team in the league

OBJ would be a great move.

Obviously depending on price - but he's the best WR on the market.  He's healthy right now, the team really needs a legit #2 - and our HOF QB wants him.

[choon328]

1 minute ago, Tranquilo said:

The Packer receiver core was ass and no one made an impact until Watson at the end of the season. 
 

You mention the 100 targets but how many yards a game did he average? In the last 8 games of the year he couldn’t even break 70 yards on a team starving for playmakers.

he’s a nice possession receiver but not good enough to be a consistent #2 guy on a winning team. If you go further back, he’s done less with an actual playmaker on the team (Davante).

appreciate you responding, but you’re a ******* Neanderthal if you think I’m a troll because I agree with a Packer fan 

 

I guess a Packers fan like yourself would know more than be

[section314]

Depending on how the board falls on draft night, JD could trade down 3-4 spots and easily recoup the 3rd rd pick in this trade, and possibly a bit more.

[Green Ghost]

37 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

I mean Moore destroyed his value with his sh*tty play and baby antics so gets a decently high second is pretty good 

He got what amounts to a high 3rd in value.

[Grandy]

8 minutes ago, KRL said:

A couple of major factors in this trade is this:

- Both Lazard and Hardman know what it takes to play with a big time QB

- Both Lazard and Hardman have played in playoff games

And as Moore showed last year he needs to be "coddled" and with Rodgers
for 1 or 2 years we don't have time for that

Idk. Lazard is the only one who has put up a season with better ypg than Moore did as a rookie, and it took him until this year as Rodgers #1. Also taking into account the QB situation Moore had I'm even more shaky on this.

Playing with big time QBs makes me more concerned about these guys imo. Even though Hardman and Lazard have played with some of the best ever, the production just isn't there. 

[Paradis]

24 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Hopkins is nearly washed too.  Almost 31.

I'd rather draft JSN.

Moore 2.0 at #13 overall? Ahhhhh no