UnitedWhofans Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, section314 said: Put it this way......If you bought your wife a new car 3 years in a row, and she wrecked each one of them, would you buy her a new one this year? Not me. Except there is no negative outcome for not buying her a car. There is a negative outcome here if the price is high enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, GaryM said: The history shouldn't impact the decision, I am only saying that IMHO Bosa is a player that will have more of a positive impact on this team than any one or two players taken later in the draft. Okay that's different. I'm saying that people who are saying "Dont do the trade because Maccagnan will **** up the picks" are being kind of dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 53 minutes ago, KRL said: This draft is VERY deep in front 7 defensive talent and OLine, additional picks may be the way to go What about everyone saying that we need Bosa or Josh Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Paradis said: Nope. We will not suddenly shift to a full time 4-3 and he will not play NT in an NFL 3-4. So no consistent up the middle Jenkins/Ngata impact. A rotational DE. Fck. No. He won't be a rotational DE any more than Leo. There are a variety of hybrid 3-4 schemes as well as flex 4-3 that will be used. Teams rarely these days use only one base scheme all the time. I get the frustration with drafting DT's and DE's, but honestly Q. Williams is the best defensive prospect from this draft. So it's going to be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxville Jets Fan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 hours ago, jetstream23 said: It will be a great problem to have if we're trying to decide between a boat load of draft picks and Nick Bosa. They seem mutually exclusive to me. If we are being offered a boatload of draft picks, it's because another team is trying to trade up for Haskins; if Nick Bosa is available at 3 it is because the 49ers have traded their pick to another team that wants Haskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said: He won't be a rotational DE any more than Leo. There are a variety of hybrid 3-4 schemes as well as flex 4-3 that will be used. Teams rarely these days use only one base scheme all the time. I get the frustration with drafting DT's and DE's, but honestly Q. Williams is the best defensive prospect from this draft. So it's going to be interesting. Dude. We’re on the same team. We’re not drafting another 3 technique tackle to play end and rotate with Leo and Henry. Not happening. That’s the definition of not moving the needle and he’s not the best D player in the draft. The best D player doesn’t no show in the championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, KRL said: This draft is VERY deep in front 7 defensive talent and OLine, additional picks may be the way to go Again, we talk about Bosa being a CAN'T miss, yet he has been hurt a lot in college, and there has been talk he is all about money. Is Josh Allen REALLY that good that drafting him would be better than, say, moving a little ways down and getting Montez Sweat, picking up a second rounder to get us a starting center, and possibly more picks in 2020? I am not sure about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 hours ago, MDL_JET said: Macc is definitely gonna turn down a good offer to pick one of these dlineman. Just know it. “We had a couple really good offers but with the way the board fell, we we’re excited to add a player like Q. Williams” I'll feel less annoyed since an O-HC is signing off on it if it happens. I'd be ok if he's a no miss, consistent impact, monster as opposed to occupying blockers. I'd prefer to trade back otherwise though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, ChuckkieB said: Some facts: 1 - the Jets need offensive weapons for Darnold and need to upgrade OL and WR. 2 - this draft is filled with blue chip edge rushers in the top 10. Some Mac facts: 1 - He will toss all logic out the window about the offense, won't trade down, and will draft an interior DL at #3. _______ Sounds about right. Hey wait a second. That's not some macc facts. The sound like Macc opinions to me man. Tried to pull a fast one right there now didntcha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Hey wait a second. That's not some macc facts. The sound like Macc opinions to me man. Tried to pull a fast one right there now didntcha? We can revisit this when Q. Williams is the pick and after the draft, Mac goes into his BPA soliloquy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: We can revisit this when Q. Williams is the pick and after the draft, Mac goes into his BPA soliloquy. Again I need to know if the Jets even have a visit planned with Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, ChuckkieB said: Some facts: 1 - the Jets need offensive weapons for Darnold and need to upgrade OL and WR. 2 - this draft is filled with blue chip edge rushers in the top 10. Some Mac facts: 1 - He will toss all logic out the window about the offense, won't trade down, and will draft an interior DL at #3. _______ Sounds about right. It's conflicting, right? The first priority of any high pick should be to draft a guy that's worth the slot regardless of position. On the other hand, if we just sat through yet another season of 6 wins or less (their 5th in 7 years) to draft yet another DL in the first round (their 5th in 9 years)...I mean come on already. It's hard to stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 30 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: We can revisit this when Q. Williams is the pick and after the draft, Mac goes into his BPA soliloquy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk lol. Indeed we will man. I have hope. It was all over Sirus NFL radio 2 min drills today that the Jets are open for business. That says Macc is serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 lol. Indeed we will man. I have hope. It was all over Sirus NFL radio 2 min drills today that the Jets are open for business. That says Macc is serious. I hope so. Pick an edge rusher or trade down. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Paradis said: Dude. We’re on the same team. We’re not drafting another 3 technique tackle to play end and rotate with Leo and Henry. Not happening. That’s the definition of not moving the needle and he’s not the best D player in the draft. The best D player doesn’t no show in the championship game. Does the best D player in the NFL no-show in the Superbowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Are they sniffing because Arizona is already smelling Murray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 hours ago, ChuckkieB said: I hope so. Pick an edge rusher or trade down. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Macc can do both. Trade down, get xtra picks for the OL (Center, tackle) and draft Montez Sweat. This pick can go a long way in making this a much better balanced team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Wonderboy said: Macc can do both. Trade down, get xtra picks for the OL (Center, tackle) and draft Montez Sweat. This pick can go a long way in making this a much better balanced team. I would stand and applaud if this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rldev Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 17 hours ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said: They seem mutually exclusive to me. If we are being offered a boatload of draft picks, it's because another team is trying to trade up for Haskins; if Nick Bosa is available at 3 it is because the 49ers have traded their pick to another team that wants Haskins. It's like nobody watches the draft year after year. It's mind boggling. How do you know the Niners value Bosa over QW? Just like it was a failure for Mike Mac to not trade up to one last year because Darnold was going to be picked at one. Remember when Ryan Leaf was taken ahead of Peyton Manning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rldev Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 8:17 AM, Long Island Leprechaun said: Gregg Williams will flex his defensive front to accommodate a player like Q Williams. He will be inside the tackles, which is his strength. He played nose a good deal at Alabama. He's Sheldon Richardson on super-steroids. Hand movements are phenomenally gifted, great balance, and tremendous first step. He'll be a superstar for somebody. He and Leo will be really tough to hold down as a duo. Even in the 3-4, players like him will be disruptive of OL coordination, not just holding up OL's for the LB's to penetrate. Not saying it isn't so, but I've heard this story year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 The latest CBS mock draft has the Jets trading with the Redskins... They get the 15th pick, a 5th rounder (#173), and a 1st next year... If that's the going rate for the 3 pick in the draft, then that's a hard pass from me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, DMan77 said: The latest CBS mock draft has the Jets trading with the Redskins... They get the 15th pick, a 5th rounder (#173), and a 1st next year... If that's the going rate for the 3 pick in the draft, then that's a hard pass from me... Was coming here to say the same exact thing. That trade is no where near where it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: Was coming here to say the same exact thing. That trade is no where near where it needs to be. Seriously... I had to go back and reread it... They mention that the Redskins pick next year "will probably be near the top next year"... But we already have one near the top right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Trade back from 15 to 3 should require, at a bare minimum, the Skins 2nd round pick this year and their 1st round pick next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Wonderboy said: Macc can do both. Trade down, get xtra picks for the OL (Center, tackle) and draft Montez Sweat. This pick can go a long way in making this a much better balanced team. Sweat would be a mistake... You don't draft players with heart problems that high in the draft... Oliver would be a better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 dont trade the pick mac is terrible at drafting the worse the pick gets the worse his picks are-forget about second round picks as that is where he fails the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Skeptable said: Sweat would be a mistake... You don't draft players with heart problems that high in the draft... Oliver would be a better choice. HIs status is still be determined so prejudice prior to investigation is conjecture at this point. If he gets a clean bill of health, he would be a good choice if we trade back. But I get your concern. It's all contingent on his health examination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 18 hours ago, Paradis said: Dude. We’re on the same team. We’re not drafting another 3 technique tackle to play end and rotate with Leo and Henry. Not happening. That’s the definition of not moving the needle and he’s not the best D player in the draft. The best D player doesn’t no show in the championship game. Won’t or shouldn’t? I honestly don’t have confidence that they know what they are doing when the decision making gets unclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, DMan77 said: The latest CBS mock draft has the Jets trading with the Redskins... They get the 15th pick, a 5th rounder (#173), and a 1st next year... If that's the going rate for the 3 pick in the draft, then that's a hard pass from me... I am not opposed to trading for slightly less than max value in a trade down but I agree that is too cheap. We would have to be very confident that wash was going to suck badly next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Wonderboy said: HIs status is still be determined so prejudice prior to investigation is conjecture at this point. If he gets a clean bill of health, he would be a good choice if we trade back. But I get your concern. It's all contingent on his health examination. It’s true. I speak in absolutes but I should know better. When has common sense reared its head in the front office as of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 21 hours ago, Freemanm said: What about everyone saying that we need Bosa or Josh Allen? They are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, kmnj said: dont trade the pick mac is terrible at drafting the worse the pick gets the worse his picks are-forget about second round picks as that is where he fails the most All Mac has to do is nothing just sit there and let Allen fall to you If he screws this up OMFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 20 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: Hey wait a second. That's not some macc facts. The sound like Macc opinions to me man. Tried to pull a fast one right there now didntcha? Unless he's a physic. Maybe he's just explaining to you what Macc did next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, rldev said: It's like nobody watches the draft year after year. It's mind boggling. How do you know the Niners value Bosa over QW? Just like it was a failure for Mike Mac to not trade up to one last year because Darnold was going to be picked at one. Remember when Ryan Leaf was taken ahead of Peyton Manning? No I dont. Manning was taken first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohhthepain Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, IndianaJet said: Trade back from 15 to 3 should require, at a bare minimum, the Skins 2nd round pick this year and their 1st round pick next year. "Bare minimum" would be unacceptable IMO. I'd be piiiiissed if that's all we got lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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