Cimini: Darnold Meeting With Gase got Offense on Right Track

[JetNation]

For much of the Jets season, observers were left scratching their heads and wondering why head coach Adam Gase wasn’t playing to the strengths of quarterback Sam Darnold.  Yes, Darnold missed a chunk of time after week one, but even after his return, there weren’t any rollouts, very little play action, no run-pass options.  Well, not enough to make an impact anyway.  For some reason, many of the things that had Darnold playing like a franchise quarterback late last season were no longer present.  It seems Darnold noticed, and he took things in to his own hands.

It all started changing for Darnold when, after the Jacksonville disaster, he met with Gase and started telling him how HE wanted the offense to run. #Jets https://t.co/90Xdxgz0IT

— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) November 18, 2019

According to Rich Cimini of ESPN, Darnold met with Gase after the Jacksonville loss and told him how he would like the offense to run.  Darnold was suddenly more assertive in meetings with Gase as well, a trait that has apparently carried over to the huddle where Darnold appears to be feeling more comfortable.

In the three games since the two met, the Jets are 2-1 with Darnold throwing six touchdowns to just two interceptions while completing 66% of his passes.  Prior to that, Darnold had thrown 5 touchdowns and an eye-popping 8 interceptions.

The best of the three games came yesterday when the Redskins surrendered a season-high 4 touchdown passes to Darnold along with his 293 yards through the air despite having the league’s 14th ranked pass defense going into the day.  Darnold showed excellent touch when it was needed and put enough mustard on the ball as well when the situation called for it.

So just when fans were beginning to worry about Adam Gase having broken Sam Darnold, it appears Darnold may have stepped up and helped fix Adam Gase.

 

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[Barry McCockinner]

This is how Gase got a head coach opportunity in the first place - sit back and let the QB tell you how to run the offense.

[BornJetsFan1983]

34 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

This is how Gase got a head coach opportunity in the first place - sit back and let the QB tell you how to run the offense.

haha great post

[bitonti]

3 hours ago, JetNation said:

So just when fans were beginning to worry about Adam Gase having broken Sam Darnold, it appears Darnold may have stepped up and helped fix Adam Gase.

Sam Darnold is the only one who can fix EVERYTHING wrong with this franchise 

[TuscanyTile2]

Translation: the plane got the team motivated. 

[Drums]

Kudos to Gase for listening and adjusting. Glad to see they are doing these things and hopefully some adjustments are paying off. I guess we will see when we play the Raiders

[Gen X Jet]

It wasn't the dogsh*t competition the last two weeks?

[NamathToCaster]

40 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

This is how Gase got a head coach opportunity in the first place - sit back and let the QB tell you how to run the offense.

Classic!!   Gase is like "Run that by me one more time Peyton but say it slower".

[Green DNA]

Darnold was facing criticism and being doubted by fans and the media for the first time since joining the Jets and probably figured that he needed to grab the bull by the horns and be more vocal about being put in a position to succeed.  

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Green DNA said:

Darnold was facing criticism and being doubted by fans and the media for the first time since joining the Jets and probably figured that he needed to grab the bull by the horns and be more vocal about being put in a position to succeed.  

more rollouts, more throws to TEs.  no way wesco gets into the offense unless darnold wanted him there.  

also, notice how robbie anderson has all but disappeared in the past few weeks.  

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

The offense got better after Jacksonville because we played the 30th, 28th, and 25th ranked pass defenses. Not because Sammy did a meeting.

[Green DNA]

8 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

The offense got better after Jacksonville because we played the 30th, 28th, and 25th ranked pass defenses. Not because Sammy did a meeting.

The article said that the Redskins had the 14th ranked pass D.  The Jets also have the #1 rush D, so take that for it is worth.  

[THE BARON]

4 hours ago, JetNation said:

For much of the Jets season, observers were left scratching their heads and wondering why head coach Adam Gase wasn’t playing to the strengths of quarterback Sam Darnold.  Yes, Darnold missed a chunk of time after week one, but even after his return, there weren’t any rollouts, very little play action, no run-pass options.  Well, not enough to make an impact anyway.  For some reason, many of the things that had Darnold playing like a franchise quarterback late last season were no longer present.  It seems Darnold noticed, and he took things in to his own hands.

It all started changing for Darnold when, after the Jacksonville disaster, he met with Gase and started telling him how HE wanted the offense to run. #Jets https://t.co/90Xdxgz0IT

— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) November 18, 2019

 

According to Rich Cimini of ESPN, Darnold met with Gase after the Jacksonville loss and told him how he would like the offense to run.  Darnold was suddenly more assertive in meetings with Gase as well, a trait that has apparently carried over to the huddle where Darnold appears to be feeling more comfortable.

In the three games since the two met, the Jets are 2-1 with Darnold throwing six touchdowns to just two interceptions while completing 66% of his passes.  Prior to that, Darnold had thrown 5 touchdowns and an eye-popping 8 interceptions.

The best of the three games came yesterday when the Redskins surrendered a season-high 4 touchdown passes to Darnold along with his 293 yards through the air despite having the league’s 14th ranked pass defense going into the day.  Darnold showed excellent touch when it was needed and put enough mustard on the ball as well when the situation called for it.

So just when fans were beginning to worry about Adam Gase having broken Sam Darnold, it appears Darnold may have stepped up and helped fix Adam Gase.

 

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My primary worry with Gase is that he'd prove to be yet another "genius" that was trying to jam a square peg in a round hole.  A "system" guy with no creativity or flexibility.  It was starting to look very much that way when we saw Darnod looking like a fish out of water in the offense Gase was running.  Yes, the Redskins are not very good, and yes the Jets had an upgraded offensive line, BUT the plays they were running were exactly what you would expect a wise coach to call if Darnold was your QB.  No question about it, the offensive play design and blocking schemes up front changed.  I HOPE this sticks with Gase rather than he is obsessed to relive past success with an old formula that will only payoff in failure.

 

[NamathToCaster]

So basically Peyton told Gase what to do and then Gase gets labeled a "Genuis". Sam going down the same path?  

[Jet_Engine1]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Sam Darnold is the only one who can fix EVERYTHING wrong with this franchise 

No. There is another...

[Jetster]

Keep Sams jersey clean & Gase will look like a genius. Sam looked like he should have been in a TIDE commercial in Miami his uniform was so dirty. 

With this revamped Oline lineup, and few guys getting healthy I expect us to at least look competitive over the last 6. Ill say this, no way in hell we lose to Miami at home.

[DonCorleone]

2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

This is how Gase got a head coach opportunity in the first place - sit back and let the QB tell you how to run the offense.

Now that was funny, sad and true. 

[THE BARON]

Just now, Jetster said:

Keep Sams jersey clean & Gase will look like a genius. Sam looked like he should have been in a TIDE commercial in Miami his uniform was so dirty. 

With this revamped Oline lineup, and few guys getting healthy I expect us to at least look competitive over the last 6. Ill say this, no way in hell we lose to Miami at home.

Not just the manpower up front, but the blocking scheme.  There was a lot more aggressive man-blocking up front.  The type of line blocking you would expect with a QB that likes to move the pocket, roll out, extend the play, allow for pass catchers to do some freelance and find the sweet spots, etc..  The zone crap they were doing before was for a QB like P. Manning that likes to stay in one place and execute timing passes on exact and expected routs.  That is NOT what Darnold does best.  

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

1 hour ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

The offense got better after Jacksonville because we played the 30th, 28th, and 25th ranked pass defenses. Not because Sammy did a meeting.

Maybe...but Darnold almost single handedly beat Houston’s top ranked D end of last year...playing the SAME style, which is the ONLY style that can be played WITHOUT an NFL OL.

Until Douglas fixes it I think the Jets will play way better without Darnold being forced to take straight drop backs with wet tissue paper in front of him.  Why Gase stubbornly made Darnold do that is beyond me.

[THE BARON]

6 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

Maybe...but Darnold almost single handedly beat Houston’s top ranked D end of last year...playing the SAME style, which is the ONLY style that can be played WITHOUT an NFL OL.

Until Douglas fixes it I think the Jets will play way better without Darnold being forced to take straight drop backs with wet tissue paper in front of him.  Why Gase stubbornly made Darnold do that is beyond me.

Fixing is needed but NOT to make Darnold a drop-back and pass from the pocket guy like Payton Manning.  That is not good for Darnold.  What Douglas needs to do is get athletic offensive lineman that can play in a dynamic man blocking scheme with a lot of lateral movement of the entire pocket.  Anything else would be pi$$ing up a rope unless they trade darnold and draft a statue like P. Manning or T. Brady.  

[32EBoozer]

L'Eveon Bell will be the next in line to tell Gase how the offense needs to be fixed to get the running game going....give him 25 touches............ followed by Robbie Anderson telling him how the vertical passing game needs to be fixed....... give him 12 targets/ game

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

5 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Fixing is needed but NOT to make Darnold a drop-back and pass from the pocket guy like Payton Manning.  That is not good for Darnold.  What Douglas needs to do is get athletic offensive lineman that can play in a dynamic man blocking scheme with a lot of lateral movement of the entire pocket.  Anything else would be pi$$ing up a rope unless they trade darnold and draft a statue like P. Manning or T. Brady.  

The thing is is that Darnold can do BOTH.  And that’s what is going to make him so dangerous.

There is footage of him throwing an out route against Denver last year with Darnold dropping straight back and being able to plant, step and fire.  There was no room for error because the corner was right on his receiver, thing was a cannon shot, he got it in there.Brian Baldinger called it a “big boy throw”.

It’s so rare that he ever has time to drop straight back and be able to get his feet set under him to really step into a throw, it makes fans complain about his footwork, but most of that is because he’s running for his life.

Just get quality OL in here.  Darnold will handle the rest.

 

[Apache 51]

Playing the crap Redskins got things on track.

[THE BARON]

12 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

The thing is is that Darnold can do BOTH.  And that’s what is going to make him so dangerous.

There is footage of him throwing an out route against Denver last year with Darnold dropping straight back and being able to plant, step and fire.  There was no room for error because the corner was right on his receiver, thing was a cannon shot, he got it in there.Brian Baldinger called it a “big boy throw”.

It’s so rare that he ever has time to drop straight back and be able to get his feet set under him to really step into a throw, it makes fans complain about his footwork, but most of that is because he’s running for his life.

Just get quality OL in here.  Darnold will handle the rest.

 

agree darnold can do more than improvise and play schoolyard bal, but when you have a QB that can do both, it is an advantage to gear up to keep all options open.  It gives you flexibility to attack different defenses in different ways as needed.  It is "Dan Henning 101".  Look at what he did with Joe T. and the hogs with the Redskins and then see how he got Vinny T to play when he came to the Jets.  Same OC with different QB's running a very different offense for each respective QB. Either expand the offense or limit it to what the QB does best.  It looked like Gase still thought P. Mannig was is QB.  With Darnold you want the full package.  You really cant have that without lineman that can play in a man scheme.  Same deal with the running style of Bell.  You want athletic guards like DeCastro and Fancea that can get out and pull

[carlito1171]

Good for Sam for advocating for himself and knowing a bit about his strengths and weaknesses......Even though our genius HC was hired to figure these things out

[RevisIsland610]

Some of it has to do with the crappy teams they have played the last 2 weeks but some of it can be attributed to Darnold realizing this idiot coach is going to ruin his career and standing up for himself. Why couldn't this moron of a coach figure this out, especially with more rollouts behind that sieve of an Oline. I have zero confidence in this buffoon HC. The future of this team depends on 2 people, Douglas and Darnold. 

[carlito1171]

2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

This is how Gase got a head coach opportunity in the first place - sit back and let the QB tell you how to run the offense.

Pure Gold! ?

[DRJETS]

So Gase and Darnold didn’t meet before, that’s a surprise.  Gase should had watch Darnold last six weeks of last season when Darnold started to see the field better but he is such an anus he thought he didn’t need to and when the plane hit the sky and fan revolt he went back to the video tape.  No wonder we saw a lot of rolls and play action and the TE was more involved.  Darnold played adequately against the Pats last year and this year the plays was so horrendous Gase got the poor Darnold see ghost. This guy is such a fraud.

[T0mShane]

Sam: Please make a left tackle block for me please

Adam Gase: No! I am both stubborn and stupid and you shall NOT have a functional left tackle! The plane was JUSTIFIED!

Sam: Please, I beg of you.

AG: I coached Peyton MANNING!

Sam: I’ll give you a million dollars!

AG: And your Corvette!

Sam: Fine!

AG: You’ve got a deal, mister. But I am still STUPID and Mike McCarthy is so much better than me!!!!!! 

[jetstream23]

3 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

This is how Gase got a head coach opportunity in the first place - sit back and let the QB tell you how to run the offense.

Was thinking the same exact thing.  But in order for this type of situation to work we need two things:

1. A QB who is good enough and smart enough to know, say and do what he wants on the field

2. A HC who is willing to listen, will swallow some pride and accommodate said QB.

Perhaps, we actually have both.

My one big concern is how did Gase not see these trends and identify Darnold's best style of play earlier?  Surely, he had to have seen tape from last year and known that one of the things Darnold is best at is rolling out and throwing on the run.  In this regard I'd honestly put Sam right up there with guys like Mahomes in his ability to accurately throw on the run. It's a concern to me that Gase either didn't see or didn't want to implement a style of play that would both fit with Sam's strengths as well as mitigate some of our OLine weaknesses.

But oh well....hopefully we're on a better track now.

[Scott Dierking]

Interesting watch on the Patriots bench yesterday in between series.

Patriots coordinator on bench talking with Tom Brady, asking what plays he wants to run (my assumption of what was going on).

Next Patriots coordinator is with rest of offense telling them "this is what Tom wants to run" (my assumption).

 

[Barry McCockinner]

3 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Was thinking the same exact thing.  But in order for this type of situation to work we need two things:

1. A QB who is good enough and smart enough to know, say and do what he wants on the field

2. A HC who is willing to listen, will swallow some pride and accommodate said QB.

Perhaps, we actually have both.

My one big concern is how did Gase not see these trends and identify Darnold's best style of play earlier?  Surely, he had to have seen tape from last year and known that one of the things Darnold is best at is rolling out and throwing on the run.  In this regard I'd honestly put Sam right up there with guys like Mahomes in his ability to accurately throw on the run. It's a concern to me that Gase either didn't see or didn't want to implement a style of play that would both fit with Sam's strengths as well as mitigate some of our OLine weaknesses.

But oh well....hopefully we're on a better track now.

Swallow pride lol. Now the whole "you know what to do" on the sideline before half during the Pats game makes more sense. Gase is like "I don't know wtf to do, you know what to do ... right? I mean I hope?"

[Beerfish]

It's like gase never watched film of darnold at usc or last year with the jets.

[UntouchableCrew]

3 hours ago, Green DNA said:

Darnold was facing criticism and being doubted by fans and the media for the first time since joining the Jets and probably figured that he needed to grab the bull by the horns and be more vocal about being put in a position to succeed.  

This.

For the first time he wasn't getting the benefit of the doubt and was taking real heat. He said "I'm not going out like this" and went to Gase. Good for him.

Obviously playing bad teams has been a factor as well, but they have been doing more things that he looks comfortable with.

[TNJet]

3 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

more rollouts, more throws to TEs.  no way wesco gets into the offense unless darnold wanted him there.  

also, notice how robbie anderson has all but disappeared in the past few weeks.  

Yes. Even 3rd TE Dan Brown caught a TD yesterday lol