Jets “deeply involved” in trade talks for Yannick

[GREENBEAN]

Why? If the Jets get Yannick without giving up a first round pick and sign him long term I have zero issue with it. He's only 25. The Jets STILL desperately need an impact pass rusher. They have draft capital after the Adams trade and they have cap space/flexibility. Yannick has been consistent and injury free throughout his career.  

Right.

If someone told us a month ago that JD was going to trade Adams, a 2nd and a 4th for Yannick Ngakoue Bradley Mcdougald, 2 1sts and a 3rd I don’t think anyone would have had an issue with it. It would be considered brilliant by our new GM.
If JD pulls this off it will be an incredible reallocation of resources toward the correct areas in a team build.

I only have 2 issues.
1. The negotiating of the contract seems like an impossibility due to the NFL rules. I would not do it on a handshake agreement that he will re sign later. Far too dangerous.

2. Ngakoue said he wants to go to a team
Where winning is a part of the culture. Not where losing Is the accepted norm. I find it hard to see how JD can present the Jets to meet that requirement in our current state.

That all said, he is a premier pass rusher and has been for the past 4 seasons. He’s 25 years old and I’d love to see what Gregg Williams can do with him along side of Q and the beefy boys we have up front



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[jetscrazey]

I'm not concerned about Manish or Cimini not hearing anything.

My guess is that Joe D. is running a very tight ship - which is why there are no leaks to the beat writers out of the Jets organization these days.  To further support this, remember that nobody knew about the Jamal trade and Seattle's interest until the trade had already happened and Costello reported it.  Because of Manish's antics trying to stir stuff up, they've frozen out everyone.

It's likely that the leak to Lombardi came out of Jacksonville, either by the Jags front office or Yannick's camp, basically telling the market "The Jets are the highest bidder, anybody want to offer better than this?"  Makes perfect sense that nobody in NY has a clue.

[Mogglez]

3 hours ago, choon328 said:

This is what his agent said:

 

You should have posted the whole tweet. "As of now" was an important part of the tweet the you decided to cherry pick out of it. 

Whatever man.  I didn't cherry pick anything, but if you want to get upset because I said it isn't likely he's getting traded, let alone getting traded here, be my guest.  

[Wonderboy]

11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

37.5 and he's not going to sustain that pace.  He's going to be the next Demarcus Lawrence (5.0 Sacks last season).

I have no interest in coughing up a high pick AND being held hostage for a long-term deal by a known malcontent with barely above average athleticism.  We've been through that already.

Trade him for a 2 - Yannick will pull a Jamal and JD will get a #1 for him the following year ??‍♂️
 

[FidelioJet]

4 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

I'm not concerned about Manish or Cimini not hearing anything.

My guess is that Joe D. is running a very tight ship - which is why there are no leaks to the beat writers out of the Jets organization these days.  To further support this, remember that nobody knew about the Jamal trade and Seattle's interest until the trade had already happened and Costello reported it.  Because of Manish's antics trying to stir stuff up, they've frozen out everyone.

It's likely that the leak to Lombardi came out of Jacksonville, either by the Jags front office or Yannick's camp, basically telling the market "The Jets are the highest bidder, anybody want to offer better than this?"  Makes perfect sense that nobody in NY has a clue.

The Jets are NOT making this trade.  Honestly, don't get yourself excited just to be disappointed when he's an Eagle, Raven or whatever.

[Jetlife33]

11 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

The Jets are NOT making this trade.  Honestly, don't get yourself excited just to be disappointed when he's an Eagle, Raven or whatever.

I know people get on you for being negative, but I agree with you on this. Don’t see JD making this trade, sounds like Jets are being used as leverage again. 

[SR24]

 

[choon328]

4 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Whatever man.  I didn't cherry pick anything, but if you want to get upset because I said it isn't likely he's getting traded, let alone getting traded here, be my guest.  

I'm not upset.  You presented the info as if it was your personal inside info instead of posting the tweet where you got the info from.  The tweet was less open and shut then the way you presented it.  That's what I was pointing out. 

[Jetster]

If this happens it's exactly the scenario Jet fans were looking for. In the NFL your going to have to pay someone, and that someone isn't a box safety, it's a pass rusher or CB on defense. 

Thats why if this takes place I'm so bummed CJ Mosely opted out. You put Yannick on the edge, a determined QW, Shepard, Foley, Phillips, Jenkins, are all elevated for more opportunities. We lost our strong safety but got a veteran back in McDougald, added Davis, have Maye now 2 years removed from injury, getting Avery Williamson back, with Mosely? This defense with an addition like Yannick could have been special if the secondary falls into place with all these young question marks. 

Be an interesting day, let's hope we land this guy. This freaking division is up for grabs. The Pats had their RT, MLB, and starting strong safety opt out. Miami is starting Fitzy & Cam Newton is coming off surgery on his throwing shoulder & a Lisz fracture in his foot! 

This organization should be thinking DIVISION. 

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

The Jets are NOT making this trade.  Honestly, don't get yourself excited just to be disappointed when he's an Eagle, Raven or whatever.

no worries.  I won't be disappointed.  Signing him makes no sense without a log-term deal anyway.  Conveniently ignored by all on this site.  

[GangGreened]

Let’s put this to rest. We aren’t trading for the guy. 

[Jet Nut]

14 hours ago, Lith said:

This guy has 28 followers on twitter.  Don't think he is a credible source of info.

Anyone who put a "iV" after his name is extremely credible.

[rangerous]

16 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

Not athletic? Did you watch the Jets/Jags game last year? He completely dominated that game and sacked Sam twice. If we can get this kid who is a young sack machine you do it and extend him no problem 

yep.  i scratched my head at the not athletic comment.  granted there are guys who don't necessarily show that much at the combines but it's football speed and athleticism that counts and some guys just have the knack.

[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

2. Ngakoue said he wants to go to a team
Where winning is a part of the culture. Not where losing Is the accepted norm. I find it hard to see how JD can present the Jets to meet that requirement in our current state.

Simple.  Explain how he's the new sheriff in town, how things are changing, how he can be a lead part of that change

Then, and most importantly, pay him.  Only a few ever turn down money. 

[GangGreened]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Simple.  Explain how he's the new sheriff in town, how things are changing, how he can be a lead part of that change

Then, and most importantly, pay him.  Only a few ever turn down money. 

We can’t pay him yet. A “verbal agreement” is not realistic and if we win 5-6 games this year he will leave.

[chrisfaceoff]

6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Simple.  Explain how he's the new sheriff in town, how things are changing, how he can be a lead part of that change

Then, and most importantly, pay him.  Only a few ever turn down money. 

Kirk Cousins did, thankfully. 

[#27TheDominator]

9 hours ago, chirorob said:

If you lose him after 1 season you get a 3 back as a comp pick.

I like to play the comp pick game as much as the next guy, but it is not a foregone conclusion they would get anything back.  If he leaves, but signs after the qualifying date you get nothing.  It used to be 2 weeks after the draft, but I'm not sure about the new CBA.  Clowney could sign a 3/$60M deal tomorrow and the Seahawks would still get nothing.  If you sign a big ticket FA that offsets Ngakoue's contract you would still get nothing - so if they went in big on say an Allen Robinson or JuJu Smith-Schuster he might be offset and we could get nothing.  The pick wouldn't be until 2022 anyway which is a pretty time to wait for what amounts to a high 4th. 

[Jet Nut]

11 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

We can’t pay him yet. A “verbal agreement” is not realistic and if we win 5-6 games this year he will leave.

Who said anything about paying him now?  I know he cant.  

Greenbean asked how you can get a player who wants to play for a winner to come to the Jets.  Money, make the offer, thats it.

[Jet Nut]

11 minutes ago, chrisfaceoff said:

Kirk Cousins did, thankfully. 

I didnt say it never happens.  

The money difference was negligible given the amounts and the years for a QB

 

[chrisfaceoff]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I didnt say it never happens.  

The money difference was negligible given the amounts and the years for a QB

 

This was meant to be a joke that thankfully he took less to play somewhere else and we didn’t get stuck with him. 

[Jet Nut]

13 hours ago, choon328 said:

 

Is it cold in New Jersey this time of the year?  

Or are they wearing those winter coats because theyre coming from Florida? 

[freestater]

 

 

[Jetsfan80]

45 minutes ago, rangerous said:

yep.  i scratched my head at the not athletic comment.  granted there are guys who don't necessarily show that much at the combines but it's football speed and athleticism that counts and some guys just have the knack.

At no position on the field does athleticism matter more than at pass rusher.  And guys who aren't super athletic don't tend to have long, successful careers, especially at that position.  That's where the concern lies for me with that  aspect of Ngakoue's game.  We're talking about a GM who just drafted Jabari Zuniga, who had injury red flags but tested off the charts. 

And meanwhile, I look at a guy like Demarcus Lawrence in Dallas who similarly isn't a special athlete in the least.  He just got paid, and only recorded 5 sacks in 16 games this past season.  His cap number is $21.9M this year and between $22-26M the remaining years on his deal.

We're also talking about a GM who just traded away a malcontent who wanted to be paid top dollar.  Ngakoue deserves more money than Adams, for sure, based on his production and the position he pays to date.  But he strikes me as a guy who might also end up a dog after getting paid.

All of those potential red flags are pretty glaring to me.  

[Philc1]

Who cares

 

I’d rather sign Clowney and/or Ryan without giving up draft picks

[More Cowbell]

6 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

I'm not concerned about Manish or Cimini not hearing anything.

My guess is that Joe D. is running a very tight ship - which is why there are no leaks to the beat writers out of the Jets organization these days.  To further support this, remember that nobody knew about the Jamal trade and Seattle's interest until the trade had already happened and Costello reported it.  Because of Manish's antics trying to stir stuff up, they've frozen out everyone.

It's likely that the leak to Lombardi came out of Jacksonville, either by the Jags front office or Yannick's camp, basically telling the market "The Jets are the highest bidder, anybody want to offer better than this?"  Makes perfect sense that nobody in NY has a clue.

Teams don't leak, agents do that. They are negotiating for their clients and will do what is in their best interest.  If leaking a story does that,  then they  make that happen. 

[Jet Nut]

10 hours ago, chirorob said:

If you lose him after 1 season you get a 3 back as a comp pick.

Says who?

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

12 minutes ago, freestater said:

 

 

Seems like his agent is doing his best to create drama. 

[southtown24th]

doubt this happens

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Seems like his agent is doing his best to create drama. 

Or is just stating the obvious

[Rhg1084]

 

[jetscrazey]

Jags beat writer just Tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/JohnReid64/status/1296440431232901122?s=20

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John Reid

 

@JohnReid64

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21m

 

Marrone addressing the Ngakoue situation. —My take they are moving to get a trade deal done.

Again, I think the leak to Lombardi came from the Yannick camp or perhaps Jacksonville's front office in order to try to get a better bid than the Jets.  Perhaps Ngakoue has reservations about playing for a team that hasn't made the playoffs in a decade (even though I think things are looking up for the future).

[chrisfaceoff]

I’m at the point where I’m not holding out hope but watching EA on the preview show this morning for camp specifically brought him up and the trade speculation. 
 

part of me doesn’t think they would do that if something wasn’t in the works. 

[T0mShane]

I love the idea of Yannick for a two even if we dump a three year deal on him for big money. Who cares? He’s not Von Miller, but he’s a proven pass rusher that will help Quinnen Williams. You don’t necessarily need 20 sacks out of him, you just need him to make a mess at the LOS on third down. Zero downside to this.

[Sammybighead]

It’s impossible to keep most big name trades quiet. Where there is smoke, there’s fire, always.

[jetscrazey]

59 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

At no position on the field does athleticism matter more than at pass rusher.  And guys who aren't super athletic don't tend to have long, successful careers, especially at that position.  That's where the concern lies for me with that  aspect of Ngakoue's game.  We're talking about a GM who just drafted Jabari Zuniga, who had injury red flags but tested off the charts. 

And meanwhile, I look at a guy like Demarcus Lawrence in Dallas who similarly isn't a special athlete in the least.  He just got paid, and only recorded 5 sacks in 16 games this past season.  His cap number is $21.9M this year and between $22-26M the remaining years on his deal.

We're also talking about a GM who just traded away a malcontent who wanted to be paid top dollar.  Ngakoue deserves more money than Adams, for sure, based on his production and the position he pays to date.  But he strikes me as a guy who might also end up a dog after getting paid.

All of those potential red flags are pretty glaring to me.  

Where in the hell did this narrative that Yannick lacks athleticism come from?  Is it because his 40 time wasn't elite?  I get it, you want Von Miller in his prime, just like I want to date a supermodel.

I've seen enough film to know Yannick's game speed is more than sufficient and he's fully capable of speed rushing off the edge.  He's plenty quick off the line.  The guy makes game changing plays, has a plus motor that you can't coach, and is durable.  That's the kind of guy you want.