Jets hoping to re-sign Fatukasi & Berrios, per Cimini

[mrcoops]

Some decent insight from Dick, including the revelation that the Jets have been talking to Foley's agent for "months":

 

[JustInFudge]

[Irish Jet]

I really hope they resign Foley even though I think I’m in the minority. He’ll be much better value for money than Q will be. 

[mrcoops]

4 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

I really hope they resign Foley even though I think I’m in the minority. He’ll be much better value for money than Q will be. 

His asking price doesn't seem too steep either, based on the numbers that Cimini quotes. $8M a year for a top-flight run-stuffing DT isn't crazy by current NFL standards. The question will be how much the front office wants to invest in the D-line, with several other guys on big money and Q's contract on the horizon.

[Chrebetfan80]

3 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

His asking price doesn't seem too steep either, based on the numbers that Cimini quotes. $8M a year for a top-flight run-stuffing DT isn't crazy by current NFL standards. The question will be how much the front office wants to invest in the D-line, with several other guys on big money and Q's contract on the horizon.

We're going to have to re-evaluate what we think big money is soon.  The cap is up high this year and i have heard whispers its going to take another massive jump.  What we think is big money now may look small in a year or two.  

[BigRy56]

I’m in on both, specifically Foley. Hometown kid that has played really well for the Jets

[section314]

I wonder if coaching a few pretty good DT's at the SR bowl will change their thinking on Foley?

[JohnnyLV]

If you think about it, it is quite possible that next years roster has at least 20 new players compared to the ones we had on opening day and Week 18. This will be a vey different team next year.

[peebag]

43 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

@joewilly12

[Beerfish]

29th ranked defense vs the run, yay! lets give big dollars to the run stuffer!  The dline sucked this year and constantly let plays get to our weak linebackers.

Fatusaki could have been in for a MAJOR pay day this year but he was an underachiever like many others.  Is he worth resigning?  Yes he is but he is a disappointing player that i previously liked a lot.

[FootballLove]

1/3 of the team being FA can be kind of scary. But I like the way JoeD is building this team. Each one of those 19 FA is a chance to improve the roster. A chance to improve our cap$ standings for all those big 2nd contracts coming up pretty soon. I'd love to see Joe's 'Master Plan' scrawled out on a white board!

 

[TuscanyTile2]

Becton should trade last names with Fatukasi.

[ZachEY]

51 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

I really hope they resign Foley even though I think I’m in the minority. He’ll be much better value for money than Q will be. 

I just went back and looked at QW's draft, and it led me down an awful rabbit hole.

Lets say Macc isn't content with his QB room of Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg.

He drafts Patrick Mahommes.

BUT BUT BUT MAHOMMES WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GOOD HERE.

In 2018, we draft Quinton Nelson in the 1st, and maybe Courtland Sutton in round 2 as we need a WR.

In 2019, even if we still draft QW, our 2nd round pick was in position for Deebo Samuel or AJ Brown.

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, JiFapono said:

I wrote a Josh McCown smut piece on here once and this might be the only thing rivaling that in absolute HEAT ???

[JoJoTownsell1]

I think Berrios is the priority.  Great returner that could be evolving into really good slot guy. And I know many here think that because Elijah Moore is short that he is therefore our default slot guy and we can't have both Berrios and Moore on the field at the same time. Simply not true. Moore is an emerging #1 WR who can play in the slot, but is also really good outside thanks to his speed/route running.

https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/11/23/elijah-moore-outside-wr-slot/

The Jets and their fans marveled at Moore’s brilliance in Week 11 as he caught eight passes for 141 yards and a touchdown against Miami’s expensive secondary. Take a look at the distribution of his production in that performance:

• Slot: 9 routes run, 1 catch, 1 target, 5 yards, 0 first downs
• Outside: 26 routes run, 7 catches, 10 targets, 136 yards, 1 touchdown, 4 first downs

Just about all of Moore’s damage was done from the outside. This continues the trend that had been developing over the first three games of Moore’s explosion.

Here is a look at the distribution of Moore’s production from Weeks 8-11:

• Slot: 29 routes run, 7 targets, 6 catches, 39 yards, 1 touchdown, 1 first down
• Outside: 86 routes run, 23 targets, 18 catches, 297 yards, 3 touchdowns, 10 first downs

• And here is a comparison of Moore’s efficiency over that span:

  Slot (25.2% of routes): 5.6 yards per target, 1.34 yards per route run, TD/1stD on 28.6% of targets, TD/1stD on 6.9% of routes

  Outside (74.8% of routes): 12.9 yards per target, 3.45 yards per route run, TD/1stD on 56.5% of targets, TD/1stD on 15.1% of routes

[Mogglez]

9 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I think Berrios is the priority.  Great returner that could be evolving into really good slot guy. And I know many here think that because Elijah Moore is short that he is therefore our default slot guy and we can't have both Berrios and Moore on the field at the same time. Simply not true. Moore is an emerging #1 WR who can play in the slot, but is also really good outside thanks to his speed/route running.

https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/11/23/elijah-moore-outside-wr-slot/

The Jets and their fans marveled at Moore’s brilliance in Week 11 as he caught eight passes for 141 yards and a touchdown against Miami’s expensive secondary. Take a look at the distribution of his production in that performance:

• Slot: 9 routes run, 1 catch, 1 target, 5 yards, 0 first downs
• Outside: 26 routes run, 7 catches, 10 targets, 136 yards, 1 touchdown, 4 first downs

Just about all of Moore’s damage was done from the outside. This continues the trend that had been developing over the first three games of Moore’s explosion.

Here is a look at the distribution of Moore’s production from Weeks 8-11:

• Slot: 29 routes run, 7 targets, 6 catches, 39 yards, 1 touchdown, 1 first down
• Outside: 86 routes run, 23 targets, 18 catches, 297 yards, 3 touchdowns, 10 first downs

• And here is a comparison of Moore’s efficiency over that span:

  Slot (25.2% of routes): 5.6 yards per target, 1.34 yards per route run, TD/1stD on 28.6% of targets, TD/1stD on 6.9% of routes

  Outside (74.8% of routes): 12.9 yards per target, 3.45 yards per route run, TD/1stD on 56.5% of targets, TD/1stD on 15.1% of routes

Antonio Brown was on a Hall Of Fame pace, playing all over the field, and he is only, roughly, listed as 5 lbs heavier than Moore, at the same height.  Elijah will be just fine, especially in this scheme, operating in similar fashion.

[Dcat]

11 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

I just went back and looked at QW's draft, and it led me down an awful rabbit hole.

Lets say Macc isn't content with his QB room of Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg.

He drafts Patrick Mahommes.

BUT BUT BUT MAHOMMES WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GOOD HERE.

In 2018, we draft Quinton Nelson in the 1st, and maybe Courtland Sutton in round 2 as we need a WR.

In 2019, even if we still draft QW, our 2nd round pick was in position for Deebo Samuel or AJ Brown.

gee thanks for that pleasant set of facts.  I always think it can't get worse and then something new is added to the cauldron. 

[ElBarrioJets]

Sign these sexy beasts. 

I think people are discounting the makeover at DT that may be coming. Rankins was underwhelming and they can cut him for cap relief and little to no dead money, Shepherd is a goner and Fatukasi is a fantastic run stopper, but a 3-4 team may pay him a boatload to be a full-time starter while he's a part-time player with us. 

Definitely something that bears watching. 

[jetstream23]

Three people I'd really like to see re-signed/extended.... Fant, Foley and Berrios.  Those three have earned it and although not "cheap" shouldn't be breaking the bank.  Would still allow the Jets to add some key pieces at non-premium spots in FA like TE, LB, S, etc.

Then we watch JD rock the Draft with 4 picks in the Top 38, hitting those hard to find premium spots and maybe some difference makers at Edge, WR, etc.

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I think Berrios is the priority.  Great returner that could be evolving into really good slot guy. And I know many here think that because Elijah Moore is short that he is therefore our default slot guy and we can't have both Berrios and Moore on the field at the same time. Simply not true. Moore is an emerging #1 WR who can play in the slot, but is also really good outside thanks to his speed/route running.

Yup.

I mean, is Tyreek Hill not a #1 WR simply because he's 5'10" ?  He plays a lot in the slot but he's an inside/outside guy just like Moore.

 

[section314]

1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

I just went back and looked at QW's draft, and it led me down an awful rabbit hole.

Lets say Macc isn't content with his QB room of Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg.

He drafts Patrick Mahommes.

BUT BUT BUT MAHOMMES WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GOOD HERE.

In 2018, we draft Quinton Nelson in the 1st, and maybe Courtland Sutton in round 2 as we need a WR.

In 2019, even if we still draft QW, our 2nd round pick was in position for Deebo Samuel or AJ Brown.

We'd be 7 pt favs on Sunday.

[PS17]

1 hour ago, peebag said:

@joewilly12

Joe is gonna come back from his hiatus with 15 notifications for being tagged in shirtless men posts.

[KRL]

I think LaFleur is going to have a big part in Berrios.  If he thinks he's more than a "gadget WR"

Douglas may pony up more $$$

[freestater]

1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

I just went back and looked at QW's draft, and it led me down an awful rabbit hole.

Lets say Macc isn't content with his QB room of Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg.

He drafts Patrick Mahommes.

BUT BUT BUT MAHOMMES WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GOOD HERE.

In 2018, we draft Quinton Nelson in the 1st, and maybe Courtland Sutton in round 2 as we need a WR.

In 2019, even if we still draft QW, our 2nd round pick was in position for Deebo Samuel or AJ Brown.

[section314]

6 minutes ago, KRL said:

I think LaFleur is going to have a big part in Berrios.  If he thinks he's more than a "gadget WR"

Douglas may pony up more $$$

Good point. 

[Warfish]

On the worst Defense in franchise history, every position should be looked at for possible upgrade.  

I'm not resigning anyone if there may be a better option for better performance available in FA or the draft.

I think too many folks here like certain Defensive players who are pretty much JAG's by every definition, but slightly rose above the overall stench of our terrible defense.

Foley, JFM, even QW, perfect examples. 

[Sonny Werblin]

I'm curious to see the contract if the Jets do keep Foley because I just do not think he fits the mold for the type of DT Saleh likes for his D.

[hmhertz]

Dear God I pray, please don't let the Jets sign Quinnen.

He walks after the play, very slowly, while most of the 12

other D Lineman taken in the first round in the year he was taken

break their a**es pursuing the play.  Fatso was short on effort this

year too.  The despised on this board Shepherd played with more heart

than either slacker DT. The kid from U Conn is better than both.

If all our DL played as hard as Kyle Phillips,  Saleh's mantra All gas, no breaks would

be descriptive rather than a pipe dream

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Foley is overrated here. No need to keep him around. 

[section314]

2 hours ago, johnnysd said:

If you think about it, it is quite possible that next years roster has at least 20 new players compared to the ones we had on opening day and Week 18. This will be a vey different team next year.

And hopefully one with a very different record.?

[Smashmouth]

1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

I just went back and looked at QW's draft, and it led me down an awful rabbit hole.

Lets say Macc isn't content with his QB room of Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg.

He drafts Patrick Mahommes.

BUT BUT BUT MAHOMMES WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GOOD HERE.

In 2018, we draft Quinton Nelson in the 1st, and maybe Courtland Sutton in round 2 as we need a WR.

In 2019, even if we still draft QW, our 2nd round pick was in position for Deebo Samuel or AJ Brown.

why did you do this

 

[DoubleDown]

What do people see in Fatukasi that I'm missing?

The run defense was terrible last season.  Teams were running at will for large portions of the season.  How is that possible if Fatukasi is such a run stuffing beast?

I thought Fatukasi played better prior to last season.  Perhaps he's not be a great fit in Saleh's scheme.

Sign him for depth/backup money?  I can support it.  Sign him to a significant contract?  Absolutely not.  He's a JAG.

[THE BARON]

2 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

I really hope they resign Foley even though I think I’m in the minority. He’ll be much better value for money than Q will be. 

Not in the minority.  Not at all from what I hear...

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

I just went back and looked at QW's draft, and it led me down an awful rabbit hole.

Lets say Macc isn't content with his QB room of Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg.

He drafts Patrick Mahommes.

BUT BUT BUT MAHOMMES WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GOOD HERE.

In 2018, we draft Quinton Nelson in the 1st, and maybe Courtland Sutton in round 2 as we need a WR.

In 2019, even if we still draft QW, our 2nd round pick was in position for Deebo Samuel or AJ Brown.

You’re giving Mac way too much credit here of actually doing the right thing. 
You need to look at the surrounding players in the draft and pick the worst or most odd one. And never an OL. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Berrios will be back if LaFleur feels strongly enough about it. BB's agent wisely put a ridiculous number into the ether to make JD feel better about the 3-year deal worth $22 million he will give to B-Dubs.