JohnnyLV Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 We were all generally in favor of the Bowles hire. Me included. I especially liked the prospects of Gailey coaching up Geno (doh!), and a few weeks later made a thread about how Bowles was going to be a "balanced" head coach not a defense only guy and I was excited about that. Reality: 1. Geno sucked and couldn't be coached up by anyone 2. Gailey sort of sucked and then bailed. Jump ball to our two big receivers did work for a few games 3. Bowles was never really "balanced" and got less balanced as the roster became more and more his vision 4. Bowles was an awful hire and complete failure But man, it did seem like we had just hired the best of all candidates, with Parcells blessing and everything. I think I am smarter now in terms of what a head coach should be. I was just so glad Rex was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynolds1029 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, johnnysd said: We were all generally in favor of the Bowles hire. Me included. I especially liked the prospects of Gailey coaching up Geno (doh!), and a few weeks later made a thread about how Bowles was going to be a "balanced" head coach not a defense only guy and I was excited about that. Reality: 1. Geno sucked and couldn't be coached up by anyone 2. Gailey sort of sucked and then bailed. Jump ball to our two big receivers did work for a few games 3. Bowles was never really "balanced" and got less balanced as the roster became more and more his vision 4. Bowles was an awful hire and complete failure But man, it did seem like we had just hired the best of all candidates, with Parcells blessing and everything. I think I am smarter now in terms of what a head coach should be. I was just so glad Rex was gone. He was the anti Rex. I think we all sort of loved that after his shtick got old. Unfortunately, being the anti Rex his defense actually sucked too and we overlooked it, but the stats from the 2014 Cardinals speak for themselves. How were we that stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Good god, why the **** would you resurrect this thread now? I just about sh*t myself to death when I scrolled down and saw the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Absolution for NY MICK. He was the ONLY one who had it right! Everyone ripped him to shreds. He stood his ground. Now, no "told you so's '. Gotta get some recognition for all that, don't you think...….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usanyj Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If this proves anything, it’s that no one really knows. What I hope to one day see is a thread that shows we hired (coach to be named) and everyone posting Steve carrell NOOOOO memes and cursing with asterisks. Then someone resurrects it after he and Sam lead us to a super bowl title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Love being right on the interwebz!!! Not that I’m ever wrong but it’s still fun!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsbb Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The funny thing was I got blocked on twitter by Woody Johnson for tweeting at him what a stupid move it was to hire another defensive coordinator. Like that is all you do get original and go for an offensive guy for once in your life. The joke was on him it gave me satisfaction to know he at least read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Aha ha ha.....I thank you god for not having me post in this particular thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Pure gold here, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: We were all generally in favor of the Bowles hire. Me included. I especially liked the prospects of Gailey coaching up Geno (doh!), and a few weeks later made a thread about how Bowles was going to be a "balanced" head coach not a defense only guy and I was excited about that. You were spot on about Bowles being balanced. He equally sucked at offense and defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Thread lasted 6 pages before it turned into a bitch fest Those were the days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/13/2015 at 11:53 PM, T0mShane said: What I like about Bowles is that he's supposed to have a good eye for talent, which means he's not going to waste much time trying milk a coconut like Kyle Wilson when it's apparent that Kyle Wilson sucks. For the first time in, oh, six years, the best players are going to get on the field and not just the ones that the coach likes on a personal level. On the negative (leery) side, every time I see the word's "player's coach," I wretch. Fight me, @JiF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Okay, this makes more sense. Mick didn’t know Kentucky Josh Allen was black until he watched the bowl game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, GreenFish said: You were spot on about Bowles being balanced. He equally sucked at offense and defense. Haha..true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 This thread just goes to show that posters on here who actually think they know what they are talking about don't know sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 SI gave the hiring of Bowles an A. 4/5 are now fired, including Bowles. Only Quinn remains. https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/11/nfl-coaching-hires-2015-analysis-grades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Fight me, @JiF Make love not war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, varjet said: SI gave the hiring of Bowles an A. 4/5 are now fired, including Bowles. Only Quinn remains. https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/11/nfl-coaching-hires-2015-analysis-grades This is why every move this offseason will be praised for all teams but no one really knows anything until a few years down the road. Everything is blind optimism and praise now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I think my favorite thing about this thread(which I just read for the first time) is remembering Jay Glazer was like THE NFL scoop king not that long ago. I ultimately had to unfollow him because he did nothing but talk about MMA, but I never see him mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/13/2015 at 10:41 PM, New York Mick said: After 40 years of the same sh*t over and over again you kind of expect it. In 3 or 4 years they'll still suck and they'll start over again. New QB new GM new Coach etc and then 3 or 4 years they'll do it again and so on and so forth. Sounds about right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/13/2015 at 11:53 PM, T0mShane said: What I like about Bowles is that he's supposed to have a good eye for talent, which means he's not going to waste much time trying milk a coconut like Kyle Wilson when it's apparent that Kyle Wilson sucks. For the first time in, oh, six years, the best players are going to get on the field and not just the ones that the coach likes on a personal level. On the negative (leery) side, every time I see the word's "player's coach," I wretch. Wild to look back to when I was a young, optimistic poster on January 13th, 2015. The salad days of yon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said: This thread just goes to show that posters on here who actually think they know what they are talking about don't know sh*t. LMAO!!!!! All then ball licking for the hire on pages 1 to 3 would make a French whore blush. Bowles looked like Kotite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/13/2015 at 10:26 PM, Integrity28 said: Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago And there it is: RT @JosinaAnderson: I just got a text from Todd Bowles, "Im taking the Jets job." I haven't been this happy about a coach we've hired, since Parcells. Bowles might have put forth the best individual effort by any coach, at any level, in 2014. I also read somewhere earlier that he was drafted by Casserly and worked as a personnel guy for Wolf, so his resume has more than just coaching on it - and he's got ties to both of our consultants. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Interesting that Westoff, who was on SNY back then, was not keen on the Bowles hire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Lizard King said: ?? On paper he should have been much better. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: On paper he should have been much better. Oh well. We all wanted it to work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If you take the negative on every Jets move, you'll be right 90% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Can we drum up the "Jets pick hackenburg thread as well please?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Hahaha. I guess I'll try to reserve judgement for a while on whoever we hire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/17/2015 at 11:04 AM, 32EBoozer said: Poking a few Bowles ... er, holes in Todd Bowles' defense January, 16, 2015 Jan 16 By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48667/poking-a-few-bowles-er-holes-in-todds-defense The New York Jets hired a highly regarded defensive coach in Todd Bowles, whose impressive work as the Arizona Cardinals' coordinator has been well-documented in recent days. But he wasn't perfect. No coach is, of course, but we did some number-crunching and a found a few noteworthy negatives. For instance: •While Bowles gets credit for a No. 5 ranking in scoring defense, it doesn't seem to get mentioned that his unit finished 24th in total defense and 26th in yards allowed per rush. Toward the end of the season, the Cards couldn't stop a nose bleed. In the final three games, including the wild-card loss to the Carolina Panthers, they allowed 267, 206 and 188 yards on the ground. •The numbers against the run are a bit troubling, considering Bowles played a "loaded" box on 327 snaps, the second-highest total in the league. A loaded box is defined as a play in which there are more defenders in the box than blockers. •Some coaches believe the most accurate gauge of a defense is yards per play. The Cards didn't fare well in that category, allowing 5.83 yards per play -- a ranking of 26th. •Bowles has a reputation for blitzing. In fact, the Cards ranked second in the number of blitzes, according to ESPN Stats & Information. If you want to break it down further, they led the league in defensive-back blitzes -- 123 snaps. But here's the thing: They weren't terribly efficient from a yardage standpoint. In fact, they yielded 7.35 yards per play on blitzes, 30th in the league. •They were a middle-of-the-pack defense in takeaways -- a total of 28, tied for 14th. What a prophetic take by Cimini. Wow. Pretty much what we all witnessed the last 4 years except for the scoring ranking. Garbage defense and garbage coach. We whiffed big time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 What a prophetic take by Cimini. Wow. Pretty much what we all witnessed the last 4 years except for the scoring ranking. Garbage defense and garbage coach. We whiffed big time!Crazy stuff and reading some of this thread is golden. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Mike Westhoff on SNY being pretty negative. Says Bowles weakness is stopping the run, says he worked with Chan Gailey and was never as enamored with him as other OC's he worked with. He did say Gailey runs a balanced attack. Should have listened to Westy. Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, JiF said: Love being right on the interwebz!!! Not that I’m ever wrong but it’s still fun!!! Your questions and concerns were spot on. Well done. Integrity also asked the right questions. They'd have to dig through the JI archives for a lot of the rest of us. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said: Should have listened to Westy. Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app At the time I thought Westy was just bitter for not being hired as HC, and I was ticked at Cimini for "nitpicking" stats. And both were right. People say Bowles will get hired as a DC but reality is that his defensive philosophy is just fundamentally poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/13/2015 at 10:41 PM, C Mart said: @MikeFrancesaNY: I told da Jets to hiyah Tard Bowls, ok. Dey hiyah'd Tard Bowls. If dis goes right, dere is only 1 person to thank. ME! winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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