Popular Post freestater Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 Serious question. If we had last years defense running, along with an improving offense, we'd be playing out December with some optimism. Instead, we're in the running for the worst defense of all time. When does the gas application and the abandonment of brakes begin, exactly? 5 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetswinbaby! Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 Bounties... 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Ebullience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetscrazey Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 Maybe Gregg actually game-planned and adjusted the defensive scheme depending on the opponent, as opposed to Saleh who seems content to run 4-3 cover 3 base on 1st and 2nd down 95% of the time. This is bad defensive coaching right now, gotta change things up to cover for the injuries on the edge. 9 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Oh look, another “why aren't we winning right now” thread. The plan is to evaluate rookie players this year and next and get ready to be a good team starting on 2023. Accept it and stop with these terrible threads being opened just to whine more. 4 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 There has been a fairly substantial turnover and injuries. And the Jets D stunk last year too, although it was surprisingly decent the year before if I remember correctly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Gase. #Gase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I've wanted to go to a 4-3 for some time but for whatever reason we are not getting anything out of it. in theory with less restrictions of responsibility playing DE or DT instead of a 3-4 DE or nos tackle our 'good' dline should be wreaking havoc, but they are not. I still cannot get over how wide we split our dline, something pittsburgh was doing last night making is so easy to run against. The defense has been by FAR the most disappointing part of this team this year even if we have more threads on the ills of our offense and offensive players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, freestater said: Serious question. If we had last years defense running, along with an improving offense, we'd be playing out December with some optimism. Instead, we're in the running for the worst defense of all time. When does the gas application and the abandonment of brakes begin, exactly? Focus has been more on offense this year. Saleh isn't trying to improve the defense right now because it's not the priority. One offense can get running much better, then he will focus on defense. Like it or not, the offense is what matters to the coaches right now 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TuscanyTile2 Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 Year 1 of the complete rebuild starts next year. 2 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 We haven’t played the Raiders yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Let's assume you are talking about the roster we fielded in 2017 with Gregg when we went 7-9. Here are the players we had: Defensive Starters LDE Henry Anderson 28 4 13 1.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered LDT Steve McLendon 33 9 16 2.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered RDT Quinnen Williams 22 Rook 9 2.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered LLB Jordan Jenkins 25 3 13 8.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered MLB James Burgess 25 2 10 0.5 sacks, 1 interception, 1 fumble recovered RLB Neville Hewitt 26 4 12 3.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered LCB Nate Hairston 25 2 6 0.0 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered CB Darryl Roberts 29 3 10 0.0 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered SS Jamal Adams*+ 24 2 14 6.5 sacks, 1 interception, 1 fumble recovered FS Marcus Maye 26 2 16 0.0 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered DB Brian Poole 27 3 10 So we have like 1 starter in common with that team, Quinnen. Also, people keep saying that this is Saleh's defense but I haven't seen concrete proof that that is true. I know in PS he was adamant that he was leaving the offense and defense to the coordinators. With that said, if the defense doesn't show any signs of improvement, I can see the team moving on from Ulbrich. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, freestater said: Serious question. If we had last years defense running, along with an improving offense, we'd be playing out December with some optimism. Instead, we're in the running for the worst defense of all time. When does the gas application and the abandonment of brakes begin, exactly? It is disheartening I agree. But, the switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3 has a lot of differences to it and the Dline is essentially the same players from last year QW, Foley, JFM, etc. They tried to help the switch with C. Lawson but we know how that went for this year. The same players having different gap responsibility seems to have been affecting them, and it is even possible some of these players are not great fits for this 4-3 D. But, they likely will all be OK moving forward if they get better DE Edge rushing that is sadly going to have to wait till next year when we draft and get Lawson back. The quick fix was getting the other Lawson Shaq who has not provided much at pass rushing, Huff, who was pretty good until he got hurt, and Zuniga, who needs more time or may be not very good or consistent ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 please for the love of god can we get some real content on this forum. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much trash on this website nowadays 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, freestater said: Serious question. If we had last years defense running, along with an improving offense, we'd be playing out December with some optimism. Instead, we're in the running for the worst defense of all time. When does the gas application and the abandonment of brakes begin, exactly? The improving offense is putting more pressure on the defense. This is the smoke & mirrors Rex used to have the #1 defense along with the Sanchez-led ground and pound. Also, Williams took over 3-4 personnel and ran primarily a 3-4 man, they’re installing a whole new 4-3 zone scheme now. Not to mention the injuries. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: I've wanted to go to a 4-3 for some time but for whatever reason we are not getting anything out of it. in theory with less restrictions of responsibility playing DE or DT instead of a 3-4 DE or nos tackle our 'good' dline should be wreaking havoc, but they are not. I still cannot get over how wide we split our dline, something pittsburgh was doing last night making is so easy to run against. The defense has been by FAR the most disappointing part of this team this year even if we have more threads on the ills of our offense and offensive players. I believe this is actually the reason why we're playing to poorly compared to last year. It's a system transition. This system allows for DT's to get after the QB more - and heavily rely's on LB's to be good. The Jets LB situation is about as bad as can possibly be for an NFL team. They'll retool the LB's this off-season, add an edge (or Lawson's back) and the defense will be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 “Essentially” how many rookies have we started this year on defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, MARTIN said: please for the love of god can we get some real content on this forum. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much trash on this website nowadays It is beyond awful and borderline unreadable. We are in the best position we have been in since Parcells and 95% of Jet fans cant see it. Jetnation has become Jetwhining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Essentially? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 We've been running a 3-4 for 15 years and just switched to a 4-3. Most of the personnel in the front 7 was more well fit to the scheme Williams ran than the Saleh scheme Ulbrich is running. Losing our top edge rusher we brought in for a scheme that relies on a dominant edge didn't help. Williams also has like 90 years experience as a DC vs. .5 for Ulbrich. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Oh look, another “why aren't we winning right now” thread. The plan is to evaluate rookie players this year and next and get ready to be a good team starting on 2023. Accept it and stop with these terrible threads being opened just to whine more. What year do the excuses end? Just trying to pin it down now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 49 minutes ago, MARTIN said: please for the love of god can we get some real content on this forum. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much trash on this website nowadays Sorry for making you click on the thread. That was so rude of me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: It is beyond awful and borderline unreadable. We are in the best position we have been in since Parcells and 95% of Jet fans cant see it. Jetnation has become Jetwhining. You could just go start a "I love being a bottomfeeding laughingstock of a franchise" thread and not saunter into this one if the whining bothers you so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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varjet Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 If a team needs at least 11 NFL quality players to run a defense, how many are the Jets playing now? 6? But I do think GW with the same exact people would be putting up better numbers. Don't know if the results would be much different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UntouchableCrew Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 This scheme requires a talented d-line to work. In the games where our D-line has looked good the defense has looked solid. In the games where they haven't we've gotten roasted. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Coaching, thats how. All about coaching. Thats why Mac Jones looks like a mini-Tom Brady too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Year 1 of the complete rebuild starts next year. Is that in Jets years or...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 hours ago, MARTIN said: please for the love of god can we get some real content on this forum. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much trash on this website nowadays "I'm starting to really get upset that other people aren't doing the thing for me" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: The plan is to evaluate rookie players this year and next and get ready to be a good team starting on 2023. I just wish someone told me this back in 2012! Could have gotten almost a decade of my life back. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Same guys? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Save for one player, the entire secondary is made up of rookies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I have been waiting 20 years for the Jets to hire a coach who adjusts on the fly and adapts to the talent on the team. Whether you like Saleh or not he's definitely not that guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 We had a 3-4 base last year. Bart Scott points this out often. We haven't played a 4-3 base since Herm and here we are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, undertow said: I have been waiting 20 years for the Jets to hire a coach who adjusts on the fly and adapts to the talent on the team. Whether you like Saleh or not he's definitely not that guy. Yup, not a move the needle kind of guy. A JAG coach if you will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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